[Closed] the staggering arrogance of Dwain chambers

link or it didn't happen?

Completely agree he's a muppet and I hope he isn't even good enough to be picked! Tool.. and thats' the polite phrase!

let him run

will be really funny when everyone boos him

Jeez, so much compassion and rehabilitation, eh?

[url= http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/other-sports/athletics/dwain-chambers-manager-has-blasted-olympic-813045 ]It would appear to be his lawyer who said this, not him.[/url]

Yeah right

WHO, some attention seeking tweeter probably.

The whole article has racist undertone. I mean reading it and then descring David Millar as "the black sheep". Was this the jouro's intention or were these words actually said.

Why did he take drugs? Because he couldn't do it clean. He will have to live with the fact that he is indeed a failure. I also think he is an arrogant tunc as are his lawyers and manager but hey if they din't rattle cages he would get someone that did.

Millar described himself as the black sheep.

"I am quite happy looking forward to 2014 Glasgow Commonwealth Games. That will be a much more joyful experience than me going to the Olympics as a black sheep. Even if it was to all go through now, and I was to go, I don't know if it would be a very joyful experience for me. Is it a stronger message if I don't go, is it a stronger message if I do go and perhaps try to change people's opinion that forgiveness should be offered?"

quote taken from a cyclingnews.com article.

Blimey. You lot need to actually read that article properly rather than seeing what you want to see. It clearly states that Chambers has made no comment.

hey, lets not let the fact get in the way of some ranting

It has in my view[Chambers’ lawyer Siza Agha] been an exposure of colonial arrogance that even the most extreme and blinkered should have realised could only serve to marginalise British opinion on the international stage

He may well have however as I said the journo has crammed as many comments regarding "colonialism" etc thats why that statement stood out to me. Normally I wouldn't read anything into it. After all the article is about Chambers not Millar, why even mention him let alone a seriously isolated quote.

do you mean two comments with both of them being quotes?

What we have received has been a crude and defiant display fuelled by misguided statements such as ‘We have standards and the rest of the world doesn’t’

I do not condone his past cheating but...

I hope he wins gold (unlikely I know) and wish him all the best.

I think his perseverance, and him still being competitive despite being frozen out, is something to be admired (the cheating isn't).

He's paid the price as far as I'm concerned.

Never mind all the terrorist threats if he is running somebody so needs to run on and trip him up. He is a cheat and that should always stick with him.Ask him why he did it because he wasn`t good enough to win!!

Blimey! there's quite a bit of pent up stress on this thread. Maybe people should lay off the roids for a while 😀

Its a shame for the clean runners who could of taken his place!

So we are too believe his lawyers made that statement without chambers knowing.. next you will be telling me he is truly sorrry,truly sorry he got caught that is
..

Personally I think it sends a more powerful message to allow him to run. The bloke made some stupid choices and has thrown away the best years of his career. He will always be known as a cheat anyway, but if selected it will be shown that you can make mistakes, take your punishment and still be able to achieve something; a valuable lesson.

LOL at the thread FAIL...who'd have thought there'd be a correlation between stupidity and punitive moaning!

I'm another for rehab and acceptance, then let the guy do what he does best.

The BBC sports website has it pretty well summed up. In the Olympics section there is subsection called [b]"Entertainment and Arts" [/b]under which there are two news items:

1. Duran Duran to play Olympic gig

2. Chambers eligible for London 2012

They obviously foresaw these debates and their real value!!

Completely agree he's a muppet and I hope he isn't even good enough to be picked! Tool.. and thats' the polite phrase!

Quite emphatic MC - you left us in no doubt your position on the matter 😀 - and I agree as well. DC competing is a disgrace pure and simple.

I'm glad to see the ST forum is such a bastion of forgiveness and belief that people can 'sin' and then redeem themselves.

Either you believe in a system which punishes cheats then gives them another chance, or you are for life bans all the way. To exclude them from one specific event is ridiculous.

So we are too believe his lawyers made that statement without chambers knowing.

Very funny OP the only thing funnier than someone starting a misguded and wrong thread is for them to continue to labour the point in spite of the evidence
Well done you

Completely agree he's a muppet and I hope he isn't even good enough to be picked!

He's the fastest British sprinter by a considerable distance. It's very likely that he'll qualify. Makes you wonder how fast he could have been if he hadn't cheated.

Personally I think he should've gotten the death penalty...oK, oK, oK, it's a bit harsh, but everyone loves a good hanging.

Chambers is a disgrace, so no surprise he's played the race card.

He made a mistake when he was a young athlete, he has paid for his cheating by constant abuse from narrow minded people who live whiter than white lives. He has worked hard for many years to try and prove himself, so I think he deserves his chance,

When money and big sponsors are involved they are all cheats!

Actually, I was thinking about drug cheats in sport and have decided that the most fitting punishment for anyone who gets caught...

They should be made to do a load of performance inhibiting drugs.

Load the blokes up with oestrogen etc

I can't even be bothered to have this constant debate! If caught as drugs cheat a ban should mean life, unfortuantely WADA and BOA have different rules. There are too many different drugs governing bodies, all countries should play by the same rules. Dont' be givnig them a 2nd chance, knowing you get banned for life should be enough, I mean come on prime example Ricardo Ricco..now what a man he is? how many chances does he want?

Millar and Chambers are completely different people, and as many have already said ..Geraint Thomas, Chris Hoy etc etc etc they want the best people in the team however they feel drugs cheats should be banned, which includes Millar (despite them all liking him as a bloke). He's done a lot for sport, drugs and cycling (I originally hated him ....since thousands of previous threads like this). As for Chambers he's an arrogant twunt, always has been and quite clearly always will be, he's also a has been!!

that's the end of my debate on the matter, I certainly won't be supporting Chambers in the Olympics (hopefully he won't even make it there). He should wake up, quit and go and get a different job!

Deluded.. do you think my point came across above?

The pinacle of sporting achievement has McDonalds as 'official restaurant of the games'..... So excuse me from caring anymore about 2xcheats.

I'd be surprised if any sportsman did drugs because they "want" to, but more they feel the need to, be it through pressure of one sort of another. There is also the thought that everyone else is doing it, and I may only ever get one chance! I'd imagine it's a mistake they regret long before they get caught!

He made a mistake, got caught, paid the price - good luck to him, hope he gets a medal.

A ban for x years means a ban for x years, what is so difficult to understand?

LOL @ sponsors ... [url= http://www.london2012.com/about-us/the-people-delivering-the-games/olympic-partners/ ]London 2012[/url]

[img] [/img] hmmm ... double big Mac meal and add more sugar to the milkshake please.

[img] [/img] ... supply more pesticide to the farmers please ... oh look poor farmers in the 3rd world ... let's give them more pesticide please.

[img] [/img] ... ya everything belongs to us.

[img] [/img] ... we got your money fool!

[img] [/img] ... I love sugar me.

[b]Heineken UK [/b]... Hello! It is our culture ... more alcohol please.

[b]Thames Water [/b] ... errmm ... it's in the Thames so you drink it first.

[b]GlaxoSmithKline [/b] ... Dwain Chambers ... I bet they sponsored you?

etc ...

😆

Chambers is a disgrace, so no surprise he's played the race card.

Well he didn't.

And neither did anyone else.

So it still a surprise 🙄

If he can make the time let him run. I think a lifetime ban for a second offence is fair though.

Damn foreigners telling us how to treat our colonials.... whatever next? Votes for women?? Bah humbug

For what it's worth lawyers don't just say things in public if Chambers' lawyer has made a statement every word has Chambers approval .

Personally i'd find it hard to care less about the multinationals Olympics but I do think that given he knew that taking drugs would lead to a life ban when he chose to do it then he should serve the full ban.

Hope he gets picked and comes last.

Lol @ Crankboy loving that last phrase! I'm torn between wanting that and him being too shizzle to get picked...

Another interesting question is why a self-coached 34 year old with no funding is the country's best sprinter. Drugs have ruined cycling and athletics, but we are where we are. I've an awful lot of time for David Millar too, one of the most grown-up voices in the peloton.

Well he didn't.

And neither did anyone else.

Well we can argue about whether his solicitor got approval I suppose but saying the BoC display "colonial arrogance" is sort of playing the race card under a slightly less obvious guise. I suppose again, we could assume that they mean that they're pretending they know best and all the colonial types don't have the same standards but it seems odd phrasing.

Intriguingly Charles Taylor's defense summing up made the same accusation about the tribunal he was at and I read that as being a thinly veiled attempt to say the court was racially motivated rather than prosecuting someone because of what they did.

Can't be sure either way though.

So to summarise there is no evidence of Chambers showing "staggering arrogance" then?

Can we talk about Carl Myerscough now?

percieved arrogance is no reason to suggest chambers should be banned.

i like the fact that he's not hung his head in shame and gone away quietly. it's an aggresive event he's obviously a driven man.

as someone else says, it's madness to just ban him for one event.

i will be rooting for him, a final is his best realisitic chance, but i hope he gets a medal.

and i hope all the people slagging him off cry into their daily mails.

Shirley the "colonial" comment as re. the Brit's attitude to the lifetime ban, which turned out to be unlawful, proven thanks to Chambers - seems right to me.

For what it's worth lawyers don't just say things in public if Chambers' lawyer has made a statement every word has Chambers approval

Agha said: "[b]In my view[/b], as hosts for the 2012 Olympics, this delicate and emotive issue required international diplomacy, foresight and responsibility.
"What we have received has been a crude and defiant display fuelled by misguided statements such as 'we have standards and the rest of the world doesn't'.
"It has, [b]in my view[/b], been an exposure of colonial arrogance that even the most extreme and blinkered should have realised could only serve to marginalise British opinion on the international stage."

The colonial means the UK atempting to impose our "better" standards on the rest of the world and preaching about how good we are in comparison to them …seems fair seeing as we are out of step .

[b]the staggering arrogance on this thread[/b] is more worthy a title here

Good luck to him, he served his 'time'.

I don't care if they are all drugs enhanced in 2012 Olympics ... bloody celebrities ...

Mark Foster said

‘[b]My big thing is if Dwain Chambers hadn’t been caught he would still be doing it[/b]. The fact it was a two-year ban — just a ticking-over period — and then he came back to athletics. It’s nothing against Dwain, but he’s a cheat. I don’t like cheats.’

LOL at the deluded people who think that most of the athletes are clean.

Most of them are at it, it is just the stupid ones that get caught.

funny, in any other walk of life, a rehabilitated drug addict/offender getting back into his career and doing well at it would be a success story.

But not sports?

Erm, yeah Emsz, it's a bit different.

The colonial means the UK atempting to impose our "better" standards on the rest of the world and preaching about how good we are in comparison to them …seems fair seeing as we are out of step

I can understand why she said it [Chambers' Lawyer], but in this case I agree with the BOA's stance and think WADA and the IOC should follow suit. Saying that I don't doubt some grandstanding has been taking place, which is probably what prompted the colonial arrogance quote.

cynical, why?

Sports is part of our lives isn't it? He's done his punishment hasn't he?

So.... As an analogy... if you were having.... ahem .... 'difficulties' in certain departs and you reached for the little blue pill as a solution.

If, then, your good lady subsequently discovered that your towering, Ron Jeremy-esque sexual athleticism and prowess, was artificially drug-induced, would she be within her rights to show you a red card, and run off with one of your mates?

Chambers' lawyer is a he - surprised me too.

Binners,

sex and pies, right?

😆

Edit (doesn't need pills....oh yeah!! ) LOL

Of curse the use of the word "colonial" is playing the race card. Thats the only reason to use it.

Sex and pies sounds like an absolute dream ticket! 😀

Simultaneously or consecutively?

Either really Uncle Jezza. I don't see any good reason why they should be mutually exclusive

TJ Colonial and Why must it be playing the race card?
It refers to the way that the UK treated foreigners in general and about an attitude we had to the world about being superior - as only the BOA has this rule and demanded others get in line it seems a fair comment. As for your the "only reason" [ do you lack as either black or white is the reason you get into to so many "debates" on here.

Dont take that as an invite to have another one about this as you have made your mind up and debating what it means would be pointless.

Junkyard

Para 709.1 of the Bar Code of Conduct provides that a barrister

must not in relation to any anticipated or current proceedings or mediation in which he is briefed or expects to appear or has appeared as an advocate express a personal opinion to the press or other media or in any other public statement upon the facts or issues arising in the proceedings.

Not likely that Siza Agha went off on one without his clients express knowledge and consent.

There are /were plans to relax this rule but any lawyer who made public statements about a clients affairs without clearing them with the client could find themselves in deep problems.

I don't see the colonial reference as necessarily implying race either.

Of curse the use of the word "colonial" is playing the race card. Thats the only reason to use it.

I come from one of the former colonies and I'm (roughly) the same race as most of you on here. The word rankles sometimes, despite having nothing to do with race, but I think that it has different meanings and implications to different people, and in this case think TJ is right- there's definite 'overlord' undertones.

I don't think it's particularly playing the race card in this case - I read it as more about the BOA's perceived patronising and superior demeanour towards the rest of world sport.

"We do it the right way, it's everyone else who is wrong."

I wouldn't be in the slightest bit bothered to see DC sitting out a life ban for cheating, but when you see that London will be welcoming a number of foreign athletes who are competing after drug bans (including a couple who have served multiple bans) it starts to look a tad odd to be taking such a contrary position.

When a black guy uses "colonial" even by proxy then he must know it will be perceived as " you are treating me badly cos I is black" and I cannot see it would not be done without this intent.

TandemJeremy - Member

When a black guy uses "colonial" even by proxy then he must know it will be perceived as " you are treating me badly cos I is black" and I cannot see it would not be done without this intent.

Fair enough, but some of us can.

TandemJeremy - Member
When a black guy uses "colonial" even by proxy then he must know it will be perceived as " you are treating me badly cos I is black" and I cannot see it would not be done without this intent.

So now [i]you're[/i] treating people of different races differently?

I thought better of you.

chewkw - Member
LOL @ sponsors ... London 2012

DOW... supply more pesticide to the farmers please ... oh look poor farmers in the 3rd world ... let's give them more pesticide please.

Thames Water ... errmm ... it's in the Thames so you drink it first.

GlaxoSmithKline ... Dwain Chambers ... I bet they sponsored you?

etc ...

2 rather obvious points to make in your stupid post.

1) Dow make more stuff than I care to even imagine (and I've worked for them on a project!) the shear number of pies they've got their fingers in is mind boggling! Would you rather they didn't sell pesticides to poor farmers?
2) The last 2 are listed as 'suppliers' not 'sponsors', 8 million poeple drink thames water every day and aren't dead. And GSK are more likely to be supplying toothpaste plasters and antiseptic than nandrolone and EPO.

When a black guy uses "colonial" even by proxy then he must know it will be perceived as " you are treating me badly cos I is black" and I cannot see it would not be done without this intent.

Junkyard

Para 709.1 of the Bar Code of Conduct provides that a barrister

must not in relation to any anticipated or current proceedings

Reasserting it as a definite again .............

When a black guy uses "colonial" even by proxy then he must know it will be perceived as " you are treating me badly cos I is black" [b][i]and I cannot[/i][/b] see it would not be done without this intent.

No offence but that just shows the point I was trying to make ...we know you cannot see any other reason even when people give you some. I know its your opinion. the issue was more why you act /see like this [ in absolutes] even when people disagree.

When a black guy uses "colonial" even by proxy then he must know it will be perceived as " you are treating me badly cos I is black" and I cannot see it would not be done without this intent.

or

when the lawyer of someone who is black speaks at a conference and uses the word colonial it is a poor choice of word. Whilst it may be that they mean to highlight the BOA's perceived patronising and superior demeanour towards the rest of world sport. However, the use, to some , will appear to be the equivalent of playing the race guard, is it coz i is black, whether this was the intention or not.

Would you like me to rewrite all your posts with appropriate caveats, it may be a FT job [ you could correct my typos] 😉

🙂

Of curse the use of the word "colonial" is playing the race card. Thats the only reason to use it.

So he accused the BOA of "Collonial Arrogance"

The BOA said

..... ‘We have standards and the rest of the world doesn’t’.

Could it just be possible that was the sort of Collonial Arrogance he was referring to, and criticising, and not actually not playing "the race card" in relation to Chambers in any way whatsoever ?

nealglover....thats how i read it too....nothing to do with race, instead implying a superior 'we know best' attitude being taken by GB athletics.

Got no problem with it personlly, the world ran a lot better when we were in charge.

[i]the world ran a lot better when we were in charge.[/i]

Unless, of course, you were a Zulu, or a fuzzy wuzzy, or any other type of 'darkie'....