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Na, it'll only use and show one signal, as it calculates other stuff using hr input.
You also have to disable wrist hr before it will pick up chest strap.
Yeah didn't think it would do.
I don't think my watch is inaccurate, I think I was just expecting my HR to be a lot higher at the end of each interval - my breathing certainly was!!
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It does well and you can see the warm up run, 6x hill repeats (the first one starts with a higher HR than the others) and then the run home.
75bpm when the sweat is running off your head though, that's not right 😁 I know optical sensors can vary wildly from person to person.
Well just over 40 (slow) km this week so the ankle is on the mend. Far from 'reet' though.
Wondering how many of the FRA's 50 at 50 races will go ahead. As we're now locked down in Spain, I've rather written off Newlands at Easter as my 2nd consecutive DNS although maybe all this will have blown over by then!
This stuff is dangerous
Sorry, totally ignorant of this. You'd recommend total avoidance? If so, what pain killer?
Well I did 3km on the treadmill fine on Thurs, so went out for my first proper run for two weeks today.
Felt sluggish but okay, until about 7km when the knee started to twinge again. Headed home and stopped at 8.6km. Knee flaring up going down the stairs after.
Been doing the physio religiously but I think I can forget the half marathon next Sunday, in the increasingly unlikely event that it goes ahead.
It would be interesting to hear about others' recovery from runner's knee.
75bpm when the sweat is running off your head though, that’s not right 😁 I know optical sensors can vary wildly from person to person.
Aye, that was the worst I've seen it. Just out for a run there, it's fairly similar to yours up there, trends are the right shape, but it's consistently 15-20 high.
8 minute miles would be 140-145bpm on both chest strap and gym machines, over 160 on watch.
I hurt myself today... </Johnny Cash>
The Haworth Hobble. 32 miles over moors above Haworth. I did it last year as prep for the Joss Naylor so I was pretty fit then. It was tough but I did ok and enjoyed it. This year I had nowt to aim for, wasn’t really sure why I even entered it and I’m a less fit and more injured. I was a bit surprised that it went ahead given how many events are cancelled due to Coronavirus and I very nearly didn’t attend myself for that very reason. Anyhoo, after a lot of soul searching I decided to go for it and try to be as safe as I could.
Long story short - I got round. Not got official time but was over 6 1/2 hours. I was really hurting from about half way and it was a struggle to finish. I think that might be my last Ultra. I was satisfied finishing but there was little pleasure in it. I think I am now just too old and injured for this game now. No complaints, just being realistic.
I was meant to do my first 10k tomorrow but it was cancelled today. Gaar.
The last one til next year @mrsparkle
Well done for digging in
Are you talking about ibuprofen @del? I got a bollocking on here for using it in a fell race. Banned in Scottish events iirc.
I had no idea, I'd actually never taken it before in my life, it was a last resort.
Half Marathon near me went ahead with modifications. 1hr 56min . Have not run for 4 weeks so pleased with that.
Banned in Scottish events iirc.
I don't think there's any sort of official policy. I think it tends to be based on how different race organisers feel about it.
I've seen everything from no mention, through 'be aware' to 'we'll disqualify on health and safety grounds'.
It poses more of a risk in longer ultra events so they're more likely to take a hard line.
Does anyone use an arm band HRM? If so how do you find it for accuracy compared to a chest strap?
Bob, yes. It's not a regular occurrence but I might take profen on the morning of a ride after a few too many beers the night before. ( I'm a serious athlete, me!)
Am I setting myself up for real problems?
Am I setting myself up for real problems?
I'm not convinced you are. There's evidence that ibuprofen is not great in certain circumstances but nothing I know about occasional use. TBH the beers are probably more of an issue. 🙂
The problem with NSAIDS such as ibuprofen mainly relates to rhabdomyolysis which is a precursor to kidney failure and death. It's more of an issue in ultras.
However pain is your bodies way of telling you to stop doing something that is causing damage. Anything that blocks pain during exercise is generally a bad idea regardless of duration.
@ lotto The arm mounted HRM I tried was absolutely useless. The reading was pretty random and would change significantly if I moved the position slightly. It was generally difficult to tell whether it was working till the data was reviewed later. When it wasn't working the reading might be 10-20 beats out at rest, and would be very slow to change or update. The error would increase at higher heart rates. Also the hrm would often move if I wore clothes with sleeves. Tightening the strap did not help.
Having said that the reason i got it was because chest straps are also poor unless you are hot and sweaty. Trying to base train to maffetone heart rate in a scottish winter is difficult as you don't sweat enough.
I also find that static from technical t shirt fabrics can affect the reading on chest straps.
I suspect that arm based hrm's may also be better in warmer conditions as the veins are nearer to the surface of the arm when hot.
So cycling looks like it will be banned. Do we reckon running will too?
^^^
Source?
Italy and Spain. Only natural UK will follow.
See the injury A&E thread
25k for me today. That’s 8k longer than my longest run this year due to a variety of circumstances. Tried to keep it at Z2 and the average Hr was 138, so at 5:30/km I'm fairly happy.
So cycling looks like it will be banned. Do we reckon running will too?
If you mean events will be cancelled or postponed then that's already happening.
I don't think anyone is talking about stopping people going out cycling or running are they?
I'd be interested in how Spain etc are dealing with the "outdoor activity" side of things? Lots of information on the general lock down, closure of shops etc but what about heading out into the countryside for a run etc? Surely no risk as it's all about social distancing and I don't like running where there are lots of other people 😉
Some mates have been out in Majorca over the weekend for a warmer weather cycling trip.
They were told yesterday by local police that cycling was not possible and they must return to their accommodation, so it seems that is actively being discouraged in Spain at least.
Most of the winter I've been troubled by a phleghm problem, regularly hacking into the road as I run.
I'm gonna get ****ing lynched aren't I?
I have the same concern Chakaping.
With my asthma I often cough quite a lot after I’ve exercised, always have. I’ve suddenly got very self conscious that now when I finish a run I’m red faced, with a runny nose due to the temperature and having a coughing fit.
Weirdly people don’t want to be around me!
I’d be interested in how Spain etc are dealing with the “outdoor activity” side of things? Lots of information on the general lock down, closure of shops etc but what about heading out into the countryside for a run etc?
It's banned, full stop. Also my health insurance (as a member of a federated club) is null and void for the duration, so if something did happen I'd quite possibly end up with a large medical bill on top of any possible fine for breaking the lockdown. (And @alanf your mates were lucky - they could quite easily have been hit with a 600€ fine each!)
Thank god I've got a turbo trainer!
The whole attitude to sports is different in Spain and Italy. Their entire system is set up to view sport as a health risk.
Even without corona virus measures you are not allowed to participate in sports events without medical sign off to prove that you are fit, just in case you die of a heart attack. If you are deemed unfit, you can't take part.
In contrast the nhs recognises that exercise brings huge health benefits which outweigh the risks. It actively encourages participation with initiatives like couch to 5k and promotion of park run.
First ride on a bike for 6 weeks this morning, 10 mile commute to work which includes a 500ft climb - that was a lot easier than normal!
Seems this running lark is paying off! 😁
The whole attitude to sports is different in Spain and Italy. Their entire system is set up to view sport as a health risk.
Even without corona virus measures you are not allowed to participate in sports events without medical sign off to prove that you are fit, just in case you die of a heart attack. If you are deemed unfit, you can’t take part.
That's a massive exagerration and incorrect (at least in Spain) - outside of ultras you don't have to get a medical sign off for any race I've done, and that includes triathlons, MTB, road and running.
Physio has suggested I start running again. Advice suggested a couple of runs at 1 mile or so each then building from there. I miss it! A mile is better than nothing I guess!
Ibuprofen & all NSAID use has been banned in Scottish ultras for several years and is discouraged in general in other distance running events.
Football training advice is beginning to recognise the problem at last but cycling seems to be slow to catch on as yet.
At any of the main Scottish ultras, if you are found to be in possession of any such products, you will be removed from the event unless you have prior approval from the event team medic.
Outwith exercise, the comments above are accurate; best avoided and lifetime regular use, for say arthritic problems or repeated injuries does increase your risk of worsening heart problems. Once you recognise the list of issues and contra-indications it's best avoided altogether.
You may use paracetamol at races but again, if you're that sore to really need it, should you be running..? That's a decision only you can make.
Jura cancelled. Gutted.
On the other had, had a superb run on Saturday, doing all the Grahams (2,000ft to 2,500ft) around Luss (17 miles + 9,300ft of climbing) Not one single path. Hard going, but it was awesome. Did it in just under 6 hours in winter conditions, poor vis and a few nav errors. Reckon there is an hour to be saved come summer.
Route here: https://www.strava.com/activities/3182417361
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Only issue we had, well, we actually missed the 5th Graham by about 200m. Pretty annoying to see that in the pub at the end ha! Another reason to go back and do it though.
Hopefully common sense will prevail. For instance running or riding solo early morning or in the evening should limit contact with others.
How could they stop people who run/ride to work anyway? Getting on packed bus or train would be far worse.
@mogrim I've only taken part in ultras and sky running events in spain and italy, but was under the impression that the requirement for medical sign off was much more general than that with heart defects in footballers, being one of the major concerns.
Maybe Spain and Italy are different.
I don’t think my watch is inaccurate, I think I was just expecting my HR to be a lot higher at the end of each interval – my breathing certainly was!!
So, I may have to take that back...
Tracked my 10 mile ride to and from work today with both my forerunner 245 and my wahoo tickr chest strap (connected to my wahoo bolt). It wasn't a rought ride, was 98% tarmac so no more bumpy than running.
Here's both HRM tracks - Tickr strap on top, forerunner 245 optical on the bottom:
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There's some (most!) bits where I'm at 150+bpm and the garmin is at 120, or less. I thought it might have been due to it being 2-3 degrees, but on the way home, it was the same - constantly about 20bpm under the chest strap, and not keeping up with the spikes in HR.
On the plus side, my wahoo tickr chest strap will connect to both watch and gps at the same time so that's a bonus when riding. I'll use the tickr strap for running from now on.
All parkrun's in the UK now cancelled until early April.
Damn, was going to go to my first one on Saturday. Thought they might get cancelled though.
Well in the absence of a parkrun on Saturday, went for a 5k run this afternoon, started out with an aim of 5:20 /km or better pace, was feeling comfortable slightly below that and ended up running a pb 5k of 25:39! 😁
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Well happy with that, sub 25 min 5k should be doable in a couple of months (so long as running doesn't get banned!).
Nice 15k hack around QECP this morning, plenty of dog walkers out too..
Popped out for half an hour this evening - no dog walkers out, which was good.
I'll be getting out as much as I can, before we go full lockdown.
Unofficial club run tonight. Not a club run, as they’re not allowed but a ew of us met at the same time as ever and did a slow 8 miles. Weird atmosphere around but good to be out in the fresh air.
Get them in while you can.
No running for us probably until after Easter in Spain. Best dig out the turbo.
As suspected, flights out cancelled so the Newlands was off for me but looks like it wouldn't have gone ahead, FRA advising race organisers to cancel (I assume advising means ordering).
I rode to work and back today, which is not prohibited but I felt rather antisocial so I'll have to think about WFM.
Best of luck Bob, I'll resort to kettlebells and HIIT if the expected lockdown comes.
Reckon it's about 50 yards round my garden. Laps. Ooft. 🤣
As suspected, flights out cancelled so the Newlands was off for me but looks like it wouldn’t have gone ahead, FRA advising race organisers to cancel (I assume advising means ordering).
Aye, no way it would have run, everything else is off.
Well done @ta11pau1, nothing like a PB to cheer you up in uncertain times 🙂
Like @bob_summers I'm stuck at home, with no running 🙁 Still, using the turbo everyday seems to be helping to keep the weight off, so hopefully if and when we get to head out again it won't be as bad as it could be!