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Thought I'd stick an update on here - over the Bank Holiday weekend I had three brilliant days out in the hills running the Silva Great Lakeland 3-Day with a mate.
We opted to do 'Cafe Course', the shortest of the four courses (Cafe, Wainwright Short, Wainwright Long, Expert), but still rounded out at over 70km with close to 4,000m of ascent over the three days. Would have been a few km less if we hadn't made a minor nav whoopsie on the first day, but hey, at least it bagged me a trig pillar I hadn't been to before. We worked on standard Ultra pacing - hiked on the ups, jogged what we could on the flat, and jogged or ran whatever we could on the downs. For me it was a shakeout for kit and legs ahead of Lakes in a Day, and my running mate was still recovering and rebuilding strength after tearing his calf back in Feb, so there was no intention of flattening ourselves.
Day one - 26.1km, 1,501m ascent, 6:26 - Silver Howe, Helm Crag, (High Raise - whoops), Ullscarf, Grange Fell, Rosthwaite.
Day two - 25.4km, 1,491m ascent, 6:01 - Castle Crag, Dale Head, Buttermere, Warnscale Bottom, Honister, Rosthwaite.
Day three - 21.7km, 924m ascent, 4:15 - Langstrath, Stake Pass, Dungeon Ghyll, Lingmoor, Chapel Stile.
Could have gone a little faster if we hadn't followed the unwritten rule of Cafe Course and had a coffee stop each day, but amusingly we still somehow ended up 4th and 5th overall on the course - you can step up or down but only get a ranking if you run the same class each day. 4th and 5th out of 65-ish still wasn't too shabby, given how seriously we'd taken the 'Cafe' part...
Did my first Great North Run yesterday and my 2nd half marathon race.
Had been running every day between Christmas and mid July mostly 5km each day , then got a tender spot inside the rear of my left foot. So had a break for a 12 day 1000 mile England and Wales bike packing trip.
After my holiday Foot was getting better but still tender so took it easy for another week, got some new shoes , then ran some 5km runs then built up . 8km, 5km km 10 km ,5km, 15km , 21.1 km with the longest run 2 weeks before the 12th, when I did a completely flat mock race in 2h ours. Then ran a mixture of 5km and 10 km runs.
Had a race plan in my head adjusting for the hills on the GNR to do it in 2 hours, but on the day my legs felt good and the down hill from the start to the Tyne Bridge got me warmed up quickly, and running faster than my target down hill pace. I then felt good on the 1st hill and was faster than my target for the flat, so decided to keep that up. This continued to the turn ( this year race ended in Newcastle). Did slow a bit on the slope back up to Newcastle from the Tyne and in last couple of my upper left leg started to ache a bit.
Very pleased to finish in 1:54:30 well inside my target time, particularly as a month ago I though that I mighty not be able to run.
Having lived previously in Gosforth and ran a lot on Town Moor, it was great to run through the city centre and then finish next to the moor and then walk back up to Gosforth high street, with some of the guys I used to run with when I lived in Gosforth.
I think the extended start interval was good, as it was not too crowded on the road.
@lunge - I love my Streak 7s, but they are on over 400km now😟 fantastic shoe. Think the Zoom Rival Fly might be a potential replacement, will have to wait til payday though.
So going to try keep up with this thread, always dipped in and out but never kept up.
Been running a lot this year, really enjoying it. Ran the goggins 4x4x48 over bank holiday and absolutely loved it! The mental battle was weirdly enjoyable! Had some hip pain about half way through but it all came good in the end. Raised some money for mind as well which was good.
Been trying to rest the last couple weeks, ran a 5k a week after 4x4x48 and right knee felt bad, ran 4K last night and it felt better so going to take it slow for a week with lots of stretching. Time to rejoin a gym and get stronger I think!
I’m also weirdly fascinated by the world of ultras now! I might have booked an ultra for next September. Expect all the training plan questions!
First parkrun in a long while planned for the weekend! That's likely to be a bit of a struggle, I've only jogged a few 5ks in the last few months. Will set a benchmark for winter improvement though....
I love my Streak 7s, but they are on over 400km now😟 fantastic shoe. Think the Zoom Rival Fly might be a potential replacement,
Mine have something similar in them, I turned down buying a new pair 3 months ago as I didn’t need any news shoes, regret that now. They’re such a good fun shoe to run in.
Zoom Rival Fly does seem to be as close as Nike now so to a racing flat. They’re quite cheap too so may treat myself.
Stopped work in July and was able to do a bit more running (and importantly for me recovering) Did the local Parkrun after a few weeks jogging and returned twice since, last week knocking about 2.5 mins off the first one. training gradually increasing and not sitting on my arse at a screen all day seems to be helping. The V55 record of 17:58 looks a bit challenging. At least for a while 🙂
Seem to be doing a lot more running these days than riding. I've run on and off over the last 5 or 6 years but never doing more than a couple of miles at a time and never really getting so into it that I'd do it for more than a few weeks before I got bored.
Moved to York at the end of last year which has meant less riding from the doorstep so I've been started running again and not getting bored of it this time. Still only going once a week but aimed at the start of the year to run 10k initially and within a couple of months did my first 10k and that seems to have become a normal distance everytime I go out now.
BiL mentioned the other week that there was a 10k race last weekend at Tholthorpe so thought I may as well enter it, fully aware that I'll be struggling to get a sub-50 considering my 10k PR was 54 minutes. Did it in 50:36 which I was well happy with... spent too much time running behind a girl with a nice bum whereas maybe I should have overtaken her but hey, lessons learned 🙂 Think that placed me something like 130/330 runners. Again, well chuffed. Will definitely do it again next year...
GNR last weekend and loved it. 12 min pb for me and after returning from a big injury, I couldn't be happier. Wasn't quite expecting the time of 1:49 or even thinking I was capable. Started steady, felt good, pushed on and gritted teeth for the last 6k. The new course was so much easier logistically, shame it was a one off.
Good or bad idea I’ve entered an ultra for next September 🙈😂 it’s 30 miles around Welsh valleys so not big mileage but 4500ft of climbing. It actually goes over a couple hill by risca where I ride a lot so at least I know the hills!
Slowly adding mileage again as my knees recover from the 4x4x48
Ran in around the downs in bristol
This morning as it’s where I’m working, are people in cities always miserable?! I reckon out of 100 runners only 2 actually said morning or cracked a smile!
I'm still recovering from my mostly unknown knee injury. Finally after 5/6 weeks the pain has gone and I can now start to strengthen again. Let's see how it goes. I've said many times I'm done with running, but at times I do miss it, especially running in the hills.
I'm just so stressed about getting this injury back after never having knee injuries before. I still have to manage my back pain, but that is much less of issue these days thankfully.
I’ve said many times I’m done with running, but at times I do miss it, especially running in the hills.
"Retired" dozens of times over the last 40+ years 🙂 Like Hotel California...
I wouldnt worry too much about an unexplained injury returning.
been properly back running a year, got upto running a 1/2 marathon distance fine within a few months but then got plantar fasciitis over xmas, then shin splints after that, had a good stint of running after dropping down to two runs a week, sunday longer run then shorter in the week. all going well but then did a 24mile trail run, totally fine during the run and subsequent runs but feel mild shin splints again, hopefully i have learnt how to treat them this time as got a trail ultra in 3 weeks! i only run trails, couldn't imagine solely road running, its faster but so aggressive on the body! always get put to shame by my girlfriend who was running 50miles at the weekend then ran the south downs way! and she never gets injured!
Great idea on the ultra. I did 50km last year and have 62km on Saturday. I’m a little apprehensive but really looking forward to it, and I’m far more scared of the marathon at the end of October.
You aim to finish an ultra (most of us do, not race it), so walking, chatting, crying in bushes is all prt of it, but marathons are full on going for a time. You can walk 30 miles and probably still do well.
Have fun and it’s something to aim for
Cheers @root-n-5th
I’ve been kind of fascinated by the ultra thing for a while now. The 4x4x48 was sort of my way oh dipping a toe int he water without fully committing. I didn’t know if it counted as an ultra or not but people have told me it did. Ran every lap, albeit slow on some due to hip pain! I’m weirdly not at all bothered by running a marathon although I do plan to get up to that distance on trail next year, ran the odd half and enjoyed it though. It was seeing footage of the Pegasus ultra marathon series that made me book it, it just looked friendly and fun, no time limits etc
Pretty lucky to have a lot of trail running near Dursley so plan on a whole heap of that
Great idea on the ultra. I did 50km last year and have 62km on Saturday. I’m a little apprehensive but really looking forward to it, and I’m far more scared of the marathon at the end of October.
Seems about right - running a road marathon aiming for a decent time / PB is a lot harder than just getting round a 50km ultra where you can spend half the race walking and chatting...
There's a reason I prefer mountain to road 😀
Been a while posting on this thread but starting to enjoy my running a bit more again. External stresses and being rubbish in lockdown put me back a huge amount.
Managed to pick it all up again from about June. Bloody good job as did dragons back race last week. Missed cut off on day 2 after 2/3rds of day due to just not being able to run in the heat but did all of the other 5 days reasonably comfortably but not earth shatteringly good. This year had the smallest % of completions at around 25% which was mainly down to it being sooo hot.
Taking a few weeks off from proper running then planning on a 100km back end of Oct. Tour of Pendle in Nov then start thinking of stupid plans for next year.
Need to lose more chub to get back to being a bit faster but all going in right direction.
Good work @ajf - I was following Dragon's Back and it looked like it had been especially brutal this year!
Dragon's Back looks good - similar sort of race to the one I failed to finish in Switzerland. Added to the list of possible races for next year 🙂
Was also running the Dragon's Back last week. Had a strong start and felt really good till i started to struggle with tendonitis up my ankles and shins at the end of day 4, that final road section nearly killed me. Eventually had to drop out at the end of day 5 as I jus couldn't shift on the flats or descents despite still being able to push on up the climbs.
Overall I was really pleased to make it that far considering how brutal the first couple of days were in the heat and the drop out rates this year. Gutted i couldn't make it all the way though.
I've had a bit of a funny few months with running - since my 100 miler it took me quite some time to get back into things both physically and mentally, but I have found it very difficult to motivate myself to get sessions in. My overall volume is down and my average running pace is lower than it's ever been, but I seem to be able to perform better than ever on the short stuff.
Had a 5k at Battersea Park yesterday evening which was billed to be fast with lots of quick guys and girls out. I was in the first wave of 5, each being quite big at around 45 runners, and had a rather ambitious goal of 14:35, which works out to be 2:55/km. Started off and felt pretty relaxed mid-pack, but when the watch beeped for 3:00 for the first km I realised that I couldn't be loitering mid-pack if I wanted to achieve my goal, so worked my way up to the front, which certainly took a bit of effort, and the 2nd km was a 2:49, so on average I was on track now, but was slightly concerned that I would pay for that acceleration later. Gradually got detached from the front group of 4 but the gap remained fairly static at around 20m. 3rd km 2:56, 4th km 2:58, just about clinging on, very close to the edge of a melt-down. A couple of guys crept past me in the final ~100m, 5th km 2:49, crossed the line in 14:32, pretty much bang on schedule, feeling totally obliterated. Significant puking occurred afterwards, losing all of my lunch 😮
The obvious thing to do then was to jog another 5km, skip dinner and go to the pub for a few pints of very strong cider 😀
14:32
Isn't that less than a minute off the UK record?? Absolutely cracking effort!!
A quick glance at the RunBritain rankings shows Marc Scott at 13:20 from last year at the Podium 5k which rumour has it was short, so a bit more than a minute. Regardless, I'm pretty happy. The overall V40 record is 14:10 from 1997, my result puts me at 4th V40 for 2021.
Stunning running @turboferret. Who knows how this training business and the human body work? Amazing time.
I’ve just checked the pace guides and I feel a bit better as I have run a 400m quicker than that pace! How on earth you do that for 5k is astonishing.
Interestingly, it’s still a bit slower than WR marathon pace. Which, again, is mind blowing.
First run today after three weeks off with hip pain. Not bad but slow so slow 2km in 15min with a good few stops. Although I did manage a half mile in 1min 43secs may be a Garmin issue but I'm taking it. (I wasn't that fast over 800m when I was young and fit.
Obviously as you’d have been breaking world records!
Yeah not sure who it was I was perusing on Strava, but definitely someone from here. Very impressive pace combined with distance that would be absolutely unthinkable for me. It wasn't until I started running, and have been running fairly regularly for a year, that the numbers started to become meaningful.
I can highly recommend the Fox Ultra if anyone wants an autumn race from Godalming in Surrey. 63km, 750m climbing. Tough for me in the heat, but not super tough as I finished it and I’m no ultra machine.
It took me 7:45 which is a little over target, but the weather turned hot so I’m happy with that. 40/80 starters, with 3 DNF. Took it slow and still had some legs at the end so it went well. That’s not to say it wasn’t hard as all the hills came in the last 20km, but I kept at it and ignored the feet and legs.
Some people I was chatting to for the first half finished over an hour down so it’s easy to blow up.
Great support, friendly people, lovely scenery and a nice mix of ultra, relay, marathon and half.
I’m looking forward to doing it next year.
Cracking weekend of running for me.
Friday night was a 5k track race, my first one ever and the first time wearing spikes in 25 years. Finished in a credible 18:30 but left a lot out there, sub-18 is definitely on and I really need to improve my track craft. Did really enjoy it though and will be back again for the next one.
Saturday was a lovely long run, 22 miles including a parkrun in the middle. Absolutely glorious morning that made me realise how much I love running. Legs felt good too, which is a good sign as Manchester marathon is 3 weeks away.
Then Sunday was Stafford half. After the exertions of the 2 days before I was adamant that I was going to take it easy and just cruise round as a training run. Well, it turns out that if I was going to do that I shouldn’t have worn Vaporfly’s and shouldn’t have gone off with an old club mate who’s rather quick. Cue a 1:27 for a PB.
Now to try and taper before the main event in 3 weeks.
Did a race yesterday evening, probably shouldn't have (given the Swiss ultra only two weeks ago) but it was very local and a 24k run sounded about right as a way to get back into running after a rest. TBH it's not a race I'd have done usually, at 24km and around 500m climbing it was a bit faster than I'd like, and a lot less technical. But it was cheap and local, and I'm a sucker for putting on a bib 😀 So off we went. Basically it was 2km flat, 8km downhill, a bit of flat, 8km back up and a 2km flat to the tape. I suffered a fair amount on the flat, and overtook loads on the uphill, which was pretty much what I expected. Happily my knee didn't play up much, and is clearly on the mend.
So I'm back where I started two months ago, as if I hadn't done a massive ultra in the Alps in the meantime. Given this is what I do most of the year, and it's what I enjoy, I'm not complaining 🙂
Wow - some great performances above. Well done guys, but really not surprised with the effort that gets put in. Great work all round.
I did a half last weekend, Richmond, around Kew gardens and along the Thames. It really was a great scenic race, although I don't recall much as I was pushing hard for the most part. I ended up stuck on my own from about mile 4 until about mile 10 when some fella caught me and went in front. It gave me a bit of a kick up the arse that I needed as I think I'd dropped into a comfort zone of just knocking the miles out. I stuck on him and eventually he seemed to be fading slightly so I decided to pass at about mile 12 and push for the finish. It did the trick and he didn't come back past me so I learned a lesson about staying focussed. Anyway, it was good enough for a PB and 4th place so really happy with that. The 'magic' Adidas shoes are great over the longer distances and definitely encourage faster running but also reduce fatigue somewhat, so all in they are a great asset. Roll on London now...
Just a hilly 3 miles for me (1.5 down then a long drag back up - 300ft of climb) but it was a good test for my achilles which appears to have held up.
I spent the weekend hiking in the black mountains but scoped out a lot of good trail running! Definitely heading up there for some miles.
Chatted to a lot of people doing the Brecon trail marathon. Anyone on here do it? Something like 6500ft of climbing! I was worried about the 4000ft. Limping in the ultra I’ve signed up to but hopefully some mountain days will help me out. Back on some road bikes tonight I think.
Fair play to you all, sounds like a good weekend for all!
@andyb39 well done for getting that far!
I was a bit gutted I did not set off earlier on the 2nd day but the tight cut offs caught me by surprise in that heat. Rest of the days I found okay. Really quite enjoyed day 5 as the terrain suited me.
End of day 4 from the water point to the finish was just unpleasant but was the only day I finished in daylight apart from the final stroll into the finish day 6.
Going to go back 2023 to finish it properly and see this year as just a long recce
Hurrah!
After slowly working up to it, I can now manage 5k without becoming a cripple the following day. I got through a doubt of increasing the pace when running 2k. Once I'd settled at about 12kmh I was able to build up distance, running on treadmill or road.
My best time so far for 5k is 24:09, which I'm mightily chuffed with. especially as it has no lasting effect on being stiff and sore the next day.
It means that when I'm on the ship at work it's another piece of kit (treadmill) I can use.
What do you seasoned runners think of weight training / pre-hab stuff for preventing injuries?
I’m week 7 of C25k and blummin loving it. I’m not sure what I’ll do once I’ve finished, maybe some of the Nike Run Club plans to continue gradually building into it. And a Parkrun.
But I loathe the gym. once a week I do a bit of body weight stuff at home. I do paddle board couple times a week and thought this beneficial cross training (and fun!) but doubt this will continue once the weather turns in, unlike running which I prefer in crap weather. It’s the stabilisers I need to work?
First 5k in a long time on Monday, still in pieces today! 😂
Hip flexors feeling it in particular, hoping that's a good sign and the stubborn little ****ers will gradually open up a bit!
Also hoping I can get the recovery period between runs down from 4 days! 🙄
I do absolutely no gym/strength/core/stretching etc. All I do is run. I'm not saying this is ideal, all the professional runners do a lot of other stuff to keep them in shape/strong/prevent injury, but I'm surviving OK without. How much could my running improve if I did all of the ancillary stuff, I've no idea, maybe I should try and fit some in. The problem for me is it's just so boring....
Aye, you'd think you'd be okay given the amount of running you do!
I Had a knee issue recently, which is basically caused by having weak glutes and quads on my left leg (a remnant of my fitba days, ridiculously one sided!).
Some strength work on the leg has helped lots, but it'll take a while to build up properly. You'd think running so much, you wouldn't have weak leg muscles, but I'm sure it's possible to favour one leg and glide with the other.
The 100 days of christmas has got me my running mojo back btw, even having thoughts of rejoining the club.
I took weight training a bit more seriously in 2018 and it made a noticeable difference when trail running, particularly on long technical descents (the kind that take more than half an hour). On flatter running it didn't seem to be particularly useful. (2019 I carried on with the weights up until July or so, although I was doing triathlon that year and not much trail - I was going to get back into them in 2020 but...)
I would have done more this year, but unfortunately due to the bloody covid restrictions it was hard to fit in. They've been recently lifted locally, and I've started again. Hopefully in a couple of months I should start seeing the benefits.
I have a paddleboard too, and despite the claims, I'm not convinced it's much of a workout really, unless you're properly going for it. I get much more of a workout the days I go with my daughter and spend a few hours diving off and messing about in the water!.
It may be beneficial, but god it’s boring
I've got a long way to go (see also the stretching thread) but I got a taste of the benefits on the bike which is enough to motivate me and add some interest just by remembering the extra power I could put through the pedals (admittedly for me I'm visualising long flat TT efforts on the road bike, but whatever floats your boat!).
Running is an excellent 'leveller' for me because my heart/lungs are barely getting going before my legs are in tatters! 😁
I can certainly see the benefits of long trail descents - I was suffering a bit towards the end of my South Downs Way 50 race earlier in the year, and that only had pretty small descents compared to a proper hilly race. I'm signed up for the South Downs Way 100 in June 2022, so I might benefit from some strength work in advance of that. I'll probably stick to stuff I can do in the house, squats weighted with a heavy rucksack or something similar.
On the subject of strength training, it probably is important as you get older as your muscles waste away from about 40 years old. Not a nice thought as I’m nearly 9 years in. I too find it dull but do a few leg, backside and core things when I really can’t think of anything else to do.
Funny thing is with running in general is that I don’t think it builds muscles massively. I read that book, the lost art of running, and the author mentions that we diverged from chimpanzees and left them with the strength (they are massively stronger than us but can’t run far), but we got the bounce. Running uses the fascia to return energy. If we just relied on muscles we would tire very quickly. I found it intersting anyway. Take from it what you will. It does sort of make sense as if you do one leg squats the leg tires very quickly.
Obviously, muscles are used, and when running or hiking up hills, that burn certainly feels like a muscle on fire.
That bounce is interesting too. I’ve been trying to stop bouncing when running, but apparently the best runners bounce really high, but also forward. Kipchoge for example. Unlearn, you must…
I do absolutely no gym/strength/core/stretching etc. All I do is run
Always been interested in the training of elite athletes over the years and been lucky enough to train with quite a few. The majority of them just ran high volumes. their training was structured and methodical and done at varying intensities etc however almost none of them spoke much about anything but running. None of them appeared to do much, if any stretching and I dont recall any of them doing any HR training or gym work. I am sure some did but it was by no means widespread. My mate ran 46:25 for 10 miles, 28:15 for 10000m and 62:45 for a half. I ran with him a couple of times a week for years (as well as other with even better pb's occasionally) and he used to joke about a couple of water filled weights in his back yard and claimed he never went in a gym during his career.
A lot of the "must do" stuff is probably just content spouted by Runner's World type mags and YouTube channels
I think also a lot of the 'must do' stuff is aimed at folks with otherwise sedentary lifestyles, e.g. I think most of the problems and weaknesses I'm trying to rectify are as a result of spending 8hrs a day, 5 days a week sitting down!
Am guessing elite athletes with the time to do huge volumes of running/cycling aren't also working 40hr weeks in an office?
Also a lot of "must do" presumably depends on your age? Whether or not an elite athlete like Kilian or Kipchoge hit the gym regularly is interesting, but one's 33 and the other 36. I'm 50 next month... My understanding was similar to what @root-n-5th mentioned, that muscle loss accelerates after 40, at which point presumably hitting the gym would be advantageous.
Any recommendations for a good sports physio and/or massagers in Edinburgh or around? Guy I used to use was brilliant but has stopped now.
I know about FASIC (and yes, the "massagers" down in Leith!!) but wondering about others. Mainly to do with various running injuries etc.
Ta in advance.
I really like Physis on Morrison St.
The physio I saw there was Ola Szyszc-
zakiewicz (Shis-tra-kay-o-vich). Very modern outlook, was doing a PhD when I attended, really helped me get my head around my low back issues.
I do 70 ish miles per week and only step foot in the gym when I’m injured and in rehab.
Like many above, I find it mind numbing and will avoid it at all costs. My wife spends hours there and I just don’t understand the appeal.
Saying that, I don wonder if doing a bit of it would help, but can’t bring my self to try.
13thfloormonk, cheers, she sound great. Will check her out. Ta. Might need to practise the pronunciation a bit though!!
I do enjoy a good kettlebell or bodyweight workout, not just lifting weights per se, mixing it up a bit definitely helps.
30 minute kettlebell sesh tonight far from boring!.
I can't stand gyms, but then I run, bike, kayak and do Pilates and Yoga so I feel like I'm relatively well rounded in amongst that stuff.
Pre pandemic I used the free gym at work. Mainly did core, then squats, deadlifts etc. Pretty basic things.
Found it helped with maintaining technique and proper posture when I got tired and felt stronger on long climbs and descents.
Personally think it worked for me. I imagine milage may vary depending on type of running. I think more benefit for ultra and longer fell and trail type races. Your 5/10km road will probably benefit more from another run.
There's definitely a benefit, without question. Guy from my old club has been absolutely hammering the gym stuff for a year now, he was always a good runner, but this last while he's been exceptional, was 6th in the Cape Wrath ultra recently. He's in his 50's as well.
I'm 52, with WFH for 18 months. Endless Zoom calls, I just drop to the floor and do various press ups/sits ups throughout the day, before you know it 200 boxed off Biggest benefit to me is calf raises stood at my desk. Every little helps.
@nobeerinthefridge How do you know?
There is an opportunity cost to training. If you are doing one thing you can't be doing another. If you do 10k of intense interval work you can't immediately follow that with a 15 mile threshold run to compare alternative training methods.
The more specific the training is to the activity the better. Other types of training are always likely to have some benefit however never as much as the activity itself.
Older athletes may want to introduce gym sessions but that is as much due to the fact that they can't increase their mileage due to the greater liklihood of injury. Most of the athletes I know continue to increase their mileage up until the point they approach illness/injury and exhaustion. Once they reach that point, and assuming that is including the necessary quality, then they try to remain consistent.
Bit of a PSA, Nike members sale is on and they have VaporFly’s for dirt cheap if you can deal with the gyakusou colours.
How do you know?
Well, you don't really, but pretty much every top level athlete these days do a fair amount of conditioning, so there is that.
Cheers lunge, will have a look. Been neglecting my running recently and bunged up with a cold this week but looking forward to some autumnal cooler evening runs.
@nobeerinthefridge so nothing other than your assertions then. OK.
On the other hand here is a random snapshot of Steve Ovetts training. Olympic champion and multiple world record holder. All of his work was running.
How do you know he wasn't just a one off? It's the exact same thing, we'll never know. 😉
Maybe if he's done some conditioning, we'd never have heard of Coe.
The more specific the training is to the activity the better. Other types of training are always likely to have some benefit however never as much as the activity itself.
You probably ought to let Farah and Kipchoge know that the time they spend weight training is wasted, then. I bet they're going to feel stupid!
Cheers lunge, will have a look. Been neglecting my running recently and bunged up with a cold this week but looking forward to some autumnal cooler evening runs.
I've picked up some Vomero's and some Peg trails that should keep me going for most of the winter.
I’ve picked up some Vomero’s and some Peg trails that should keep me going for most of the winter.
lol how many pairs of shoes do you have now???
lol how many pairs of shoes do you have now???
Err, in terms of shoes that I actually run in...
2 x Nike Vaporfly - 1 almost new, 1 180 miles old and on their way out
2 x Adidas SL20 - 1 in box, 1 300 miles
2 x Nike Pegasus 36 - 1 in box, 1 400 miles
1 x Nike Pegasus 36 shield - 50 or so miles in them, only really use them in the winter
1 x Nike Streak 7 - 200 miles in them and I really want another pair but can't find any
1 x Nike React Miler - Dull shoes for slow runs, 350 miles done
1 x Nike Pegasus 38 - New ish, 50 miles or so
1 x Kalenji XT7 - Shoes for filth, 150 miles ish?
1 x ASICS Cumulus 20 GTX - Barely worn, basically they're only used to marshal at winter parkruns
1 x Nike Terra Kiger - Mud pluggers, but not as good as the Kalenji's
1 x Nike Zoom Rival spikes - Spikes, specialist kit
This obviously ignores the 8 or so pairs that have been retired and need taking to a charity shop...
Plus the 2 I've just bought. I've not bought any new ones for 3 or 4 months so why not?
@mogrim when you are running 150 miles per week you have pretty much done all the specific training your body can handle. Doing a 45 minute light weight session is more than likely just "active rest" if you are running 30 miles per week you will get more out of increasing your miles first.
Usain bolt did 90 minutes gym work every day and ran pretty quick.
@mogrim when you are running 150 miles per week you have pretty much done all the specific training your body can handle. Doing a 45 minute light weight session is more than likely just “active rest” if you are running 30 miles per week you will get more out of increasing your miles first.
I agree, up to a point - but you need to take into account the amount of time available, and the bang for your buck. I've got a gym that's less than 2min away from my front door, and it's ideal for a quick 30min session at lunchtime. I'm pretty sure that's more use to me (with my general focus on long distance trail running) than a 30min run.
I'd also argue that if getting faster/better at running isn't your main focus, but rather it's part of a general "do some exercise" plan for life, then in that case 2-3 running sessions a week and 1 day at the gym is probably better for you than adding another running session, particularly as you get older.
And theres not many folk on here who run 150 miles a week, as such it's not a stretch to say most of us on this thread would benefit from some conditioning.
Just finished my first ever 10k, i had set myself a personal target of completing it in sub 50 minutes and crossed the line in 48.20, so pretty happy with that overall.
Awesome work Bass, that’s a cracking time.
Has anyone ever had a soleus injury? Mine is a little tender and with 2 weeks until marathon time I want to be on top of it.
Fair play bazz that’s good going. I’m hoping to get out this evening for some trail miles to get the last of the sun. Got a bit of an Achilles problem though. Pain is like a blister feeing but no inflammation or blister at all, been like this since I hiked a week or so ago. Pain goes away after 10 minutes running
What a glorious weekend!
Took my youngest up to my home town of Market Harborough this weekend, and did the local parkrun at an easy pace. Couldn’t resist a cheeky sprint and took fastest of the day on that!
Brilliant trail half today, Sunday, called the Clipston trail half. Rolling hills, no flat, involved running across ploughed fields. Planned to run on heart rate, but the uphill 3k stopped that plan so I just ran and enjoyed it. And I really did enjoy it, apart from maybe the last 2k of ploughed fields, but a brilliant local event. Came 21/86 with a 1:47:44. I was 9th in age 40-50, and the strange thing is the first 35-39 runner came in at 26, slower than me! There’s a lot of us older blokes doing this stuff, and doing it well. What a weekend!
Well done @bazz, top running. Keep at it peoples, it’s a great thing we do and long may it last. For me, I feel very honoured to be able to run and take part in these events and I just go out and enjoy it now. I’m getting older and it won’t last forever.
It was the Southern 6-Stage road relays this weekend, hastily relocated to Milton Keynes from Crystal Palace after the original organisers cancelled it with a poor excuse 9 days in advance! The biggest insult you can deliver in a relay is not being ready in time to hand over from your preceding runner, guess who did that yesterday 😮 Fortunately I spotted him at the last moment and sprinted off only losing us a maximum of a second in the process, but had the officials been harsh I could have handed our team a penalty.... Despite this sub-optimal start I managed the fastest leg of our team and we came in 7th overall, which we were fairly happy with, given that we were missing some of our strongest guys. One literal hurdle was encountering this robot delivery thing on a corner!
Now a nice easy week before London 😀
You do well to run so quickly given you have one leg amputated at the knee.