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To lose 6 of my maximum available 8 is pretty good going I reckon
FFS, you even beat me on that measure! Good going!
I feel it's fully justified to simply post anything purely to get us closer to the next page 😉
Looking for a lighter trail shoe, currently using Salomon Speedcross but these feel a bit clompy to me.
The Salomon Sense Ride 2 has caught my eye as have the Nike Wildhorse 7s. Does anyone have any experience of these?
Hadn't seen this thread for a few days.
Those are some scabby looking feet tf. But then hardly a surprise considering what they went through.
For trail shoes i am currently living my brooks cascadia 15's nice and light and comfy, not massive tread on them but enough
Still enjoying my running here - 6 miles (and absolutely soaked to the bone) on Sunday and have just done a season's best on a short lunchtime run today.
And I still have 10 toenails.
@nostrils the Sense Ride 2 / 3 / 4 is a nice shoe, albeit a little small but as an existing Salomon wearer you probably get the gist. Probably the best I've had over the last year and I've had about 4 or 5 different trail shoes in that time. They feel quite firm to begin with, but the cushioning soon softens up and they become very nice. Similar to the Pro MD Ultra shoe, narrow across the forefoot.
I'm not convinced by the Salomon Speedlace thing, it tightens quickly but stuffing away the cord takes almost as long as tying a lace? And sometimes they refuse to come undone.
For something a bit burlier the Wildcross is very god, roomier toe box than normal Salomon and less heel roll than the Speedcross.
I am no longer recommending Inov8, I'm spitting the dummy after too many bad experiences (but still own several pairs that have plenty of life left in them).
Looking for a lighter trail shoe,
I'm loving my (top of the range) Decathlon Evadict - they were a bit of gamble as it's the first time I've bought Decathlon running shoes and they're a bit narrower than I'm used to, but I'm very pleased with them. At 80€ they were a fair bit cheaper than a current model from a more established brand, but compared to outlet prices they're not quite so competitive.
I’m loving my (top of the range) Decathlon Evadict
I've got a pair of the Evadict (they were Kalenji when I bought him) XT7's which I like a lot. As above, they're a bit narrow but they work well for me, great in the mud. Nike Pegasus Trails are fine as well for easier trails.
Unrelated, I'm now in week 3 of no running and it's driving me crazy. There is only so much turbo work and walking one can do.
I never realised there were high-end Evadict shoes, they look pretty good, although I do have wide feet, so they might not suit me
the return of parkrun has been delayed.
Seems very odd that I can meet a pile of people in a pub but can't go for a run round a field with them...
Having been hands on with this recently, I can confirm that some of the levels of bureaucracy and the barriers that some landowners (mainly councils) have put up is absolutely ridiculous. For a country with an obesity problem and a lack of funding to address this, there seems to be a lot of barrier to a free event that aims to stop it...
https://blog.parkrun.com/uk/2021/05/21/parkrun-to-delay-restart-of-5k-events-in-england/
Seems very odd that I can meet a pile of people in a pub but can’t go for a run round a field with them…
Well you can go for a run with your friends but you can't go to this mass participation organised event because some landowners haven't given permission.
Well you can go for a run with your friends but you can’t go to a mass participation organised event.
I can, and I can also attend a mass participation event, I did 2 weeks ago in fact. Just not parkrun, which makes it very strange.
I can, and I can also attend a mass participation event, I did 2 weeks ago in fact. Just not parkrun, which makes it very strange.
It's not strange - Parkrun cannot allow *some* to go ahead when others cannot because of the risk of over-subscription.
It’s not strange – Parkrun cannot allow *some* to go ahead when others cannot because of the risk of over-subscription.
I'm an event director at our local event. I fully understand the reasons around why they need almost all to be ready to go.
What is strange is that permissions are so slow to be granted when all evidence suggests it's "a good thing".
What is strange is that permissions are so slow to be granted when all evidence suggests it’s “a good thing”.
I know it is frustrating – there is no doubt about that (I am a regular at my local event and was looking forward to it restarting) but the conversations need to be around getting the red tape sorted so they can go ahead rather than (as is constantly being quoted in media) say things like 'I can go to the pub with my mates, why can't I go for a run with them?' because they are two very different situations that cannot be compared.
Hi All,
I'm looking for a pair of 2 in 1 trail running shorts and THESE seem like an inexpensive option. My question is has anyone got them and can offer an opinion on whether they will be like running on crisp packets or suggest an alternative please?
TIA
Baulk if you wish, but Primark lined shorts are brilliant, and 8 quid.
These from Decathlon are good, https://www.decathlon.co.uk/p/kiprun-men-s-running-2-in-1-tight-shorts-grey-black/_/R-p-325793
I've got a pair of Higher State shorts and they're just as good as other more prestigious brands, so I'd have no hesitation in buying those
Baulk if you wish, but Primark lined shorts are brilliant, and 8 quid.
I would have agreed with you last year but we finally have a Decathlon in Leeds and their £18 lined shorts are much nicer (as are their winter long-sleeved tops).
First fell race in over 18 months tonight. Eeek! Totley Moor for those that know the Sheffield area. I'm in the last wave of 6 to start and suspect I'll be in the last 6 to finish too! Hugely oversubscribed and think there'll be a lot of pent up race energy and fast folk chomping at the bit rather than the more normal mixed field that these sort of local, mid-week races tend to attract.
Hey-ho - what's the worst that can happen...
Good luck @dashed. I need to go and do the Jack Bloor race route on Ilkley Moor one evening, they've gone Virtual with it this year. See if I can beat my PB for it, which shouldn't be hard: I think I was stone dead last the last time I ran it...
Good luck tonight @dashed, that's a nice little race, the final climb is a sting in the tail as is the top of the final descent, some nasty tree routes to look out for in the heather IIRC.
@turboferret. I’ve been absent from the thread for a while but just want to state publicly how utterly mad you are.
There, it’s done.
Oh, and what a f*****g incredible achievement that 100 miles was! Stunning.
For those looking for 2 in 1 shorts, I ran in my new TCA ones this morning. Really nice and 2 zipped pockets and phone pouch mean i don't need any more storage when running with the dog.
Code TCA15 gives 15% off.
https://tca.fit/collections/all-men/products/utility-2-in-1-short-colour-tornado
Well that was a fun race! Lots of staggered groups of 12 to 13 starting 3 mins apart over about 25mins. Most of the groups were very mixed - a lap of the sports field before heading off out into the course proper and generally a few whippets launching off at a proper pace, but then the majority slow and steady.
I was in the last wave and dear god, I was hanging on for dear life just in the first 400m lap leaving the field!! Needless to say, left the field last of the last wave and blowing through my hoop. Rest of the race was steady and caught a few here and there.
Ended up chasing a chap from an earlier wave on the final descent and we were pushing each other on at fair old pace for the last km. Came onto the sports field on very tired legs for a final lap in front of everyone who had already finished. Two groups on the finish line from the respective running clubs we were both running for ended up encouraging us both into a daft sprint finish... Ouch - that hurt!
My thoughts on parkrun are they are right to delay. We often got 800 plus at Nonsuch so I could imagine that being a huge figure if other local events are cancelled. In some places it is running around a field with a few mates, but in the London area it is huge. Imagine the outcry if 1500 runners prevent the general public from enjoying some close proximity.
On another wheezy note, hayfever. Im having difficulty breathing and my nose is steaming so I think it must be the cause. Lungs very tight when running and really uncomfortable. Any recommended remedies bearing in mind the last time I took something I fell asleep on the living room floor. I sleep easily. Thanks.
What number were you @dashed? There's some photo's on the DPFR facebook group
I was 128 - but should have been 126! Dunno what happened at check in but given the wrong number. The very last shot of the 128 posted is me gurning my way through the last few hundred metres!
Just catching up (fat one at the back) and thanks for all the encouragement/assurances. Enjoyed reading (some) of your massive achievement/experience @turboferret, even though curiosity got the better of me 🤮😬🤣
I got to see an NHS physio and the good news is it’s ‘only’ a grade 1 calf sprain He said no running for 3 months and do these exercises.
So although there went summer 20201 C25K plans, am working on an interim walking programme/reconditioning calf muscle/s/cont’d weight loss.
Onwards and upwards/sideways. I’ll be back, with the falling leaves.
Went for a lovely run in the autumnal weather at lunchtime - just a quick 2 mile dash but -24 sec per mile quicker than my average on that run and over two minutes quicker than my first attempt of the year. Quite happy with that.
I went for a run!!!!
It was only 5k on a track, but my calf felt good and I hadn't lost too much pace either. Need to resist the temptation to push to hard to get back properly.
@Lunge - glad you're back on board. Go steady but keep getting out and doing a bit. Even a bit will help your mental state and ready the body for the full return.
I have been suffering with some sort of rib injury/intercostal strain for the last week. It was absolute agony last Thursday and I managed a pedestrian trott of 3 miles in about 40 mins. It has improved since then and I'm able to run relatively normally with only mild irritation. I was worried that my streak was going to be over and was mentally planning to end it, but somehow found the resolve to keep it up, and passed the 2 year mark on Tuesday now on day 733.
Doing 10 miles around Box Hill tomorrow (Sunday) with the club. Should be quite a bit of climbing so not sure how much running that will involve. First proper trail run of the year. Looking forward to it.
Keep at it all.
Right, shoe recommendations please.
I'm after a super cushioned shoe to ease me back from injury. Had a lovely run in my Vaporfly's this morning but they keep pushing me to go fast and I need to take it easy for the moment.
Debating New Balance More V3 or Nike Invincibles.
Anyone tried either, or indeed got any other suggestions.
I’m after a super cushioned shoe to ease me back from injury.
If you want super-cushioned shoes, then you won't get more cushy than a pair of Hoka Bondis
I was rather start struck to bump into the legnd that is Nicky Spinks coming off the Merrick on sunday, bit of a hero is that one!.
star, not start!
Lucky enough to be in the Lakes over the weekend and squeezed in a very early run up Grasmoor on monday morning before the world woke up. One of those truly stunning mornings!
Carb loading before a Sunday morning marathon - if last big meal is 48 hours before does than mean Friday morning or can I leave it til Friday lunch/dinner/tea?
Appreciate it depends on the individual but just wanted to check the hive mind.
Thanks
Edit - further reading looks like Friday evening is fine. Please ignore ☺️
For a sunday race, any carbs you eat on a friday night are long gone come sunday IME.
Jeez my fitness has dropped, 6 weeks of knee injury has me back what feels like years, heat probably not helping either.
Sunday race, I hit the carbs heavy on Friday and Saturday night, though I make sure the Saturday meal isn't late. I also have a couple of beers, as I find it helps me sleep, but I'm aware this is not good practise.
Reasonably carby breakfast too, porridge or muesli normally.
Can't have too many carbs before a marathon!
Big night run tonight, quite a few of us doing it as a training session prior to the upcoming ultras. 45km along trails we're all fairly familiar with - in daylight. I've done some of them at night, but there's at least one complicated crest we'll have to get over that I've only ever done by day. I'll be taking it very slowly 🙂
Update to my last post - the run was great, really enjoyed it. We all took the complicated bit fairly slowly, and made it over with no issues. As for the rest: we took it fairly easy, a bit harder than ultra pace, and it was ideal. Finished feeling fairly strong and definitely a confidence boost ahead of July's race 🙂
Finally it’s happened. Went to the track tonight with the plan of doing a reasonably quick 5k…cue a 18:35 5k, nearly 2 mins off my PB and my first time under 20 mins. Chuffed.
Oooooof, well done! Haven’t you been injured - effectively tapering? That’s a big PB.
Ran into my local hash group tonight. Quite literally as they seemed to have set a hash that went up and down every good DH track in the woods…
Jesus christ Lunge! you sure you never missed a lap! 🙂
Well done sir! I was very close to being ready for a sub 20 last year, bloddy miles away from it now.
Haven’t you been injured – effectively tapering? That’s a big PB.
Yeah, a 6 week taper in effect, though I've been on the turbo trainer instead of running so it's not been a complete rest. I figured that easing myself back into running by doing 5k's on a soft track was a vaguely sensible thing to do. I was doing just over 21 minutes without really thinking so I thought I'd give it a nudge last night. Was particularly pleased that it was a negative split which suggests there's a touch more in the locker.
Jesus christ Lunge! you sure you never missed a lap!
I did check! I actually ran 3.2 miles as I wanted to make sure I got the distance.
To be fair, the only 5k I've ever run is a lumpy parkrun and the track is always quicker than any other surface.
Good job @lunge, I agree it's definitely easier on a track, but you still need to run it!
Top work @lunge, all that shoe dithering has paid off it seems 🙂
Still, you have to run it.
In a tight race with others to aim at, you'd be quicker again. Adrenalin helps in that situation too.
all that shoe dithering has paid off it seems
Vaporfly's were the answer, strictly speaking they're illegal for track use but they did the job!
I now want to enter a track league and buy some spikes for the first time in 25 years
Nice one lunge 🙂 I have my first track race in a very long time on Monday, a 3000m in the Southern Vets League. Slightly shorter than I've become accustomed to of late! Last race was a 10,000m in June 2019. Will be the first outing for the Nike Dragonfly spikes too. I have a PB of 9:17 to beat from May 2018, lets see if the shoes help...
@turboferret - with all the long distance training I bet you'll surprise yourself and knock out an 8:xx. Those Dragonfly's look like they will be seriously rapid!
@alanf not necessarily convinced, I feel considerably less fresh than I did pre 100 miler, steady runs are feeling quite laboured. It'll also be pretty much solo I would expect, as the general standard of the Vets competition isn't hugely high, but I might be surprised....
I'm hoping to get a short run in at the track today, been struggling with hip issues for months, so have rested and seen a physio, it's better but not totally right. However in sick of taking my son to the track to train and then sitting about and doing nothing, and now the weather is better it needs a test. Nothing much just a Jew 1km reps at easy pace, whilst the skinny teenagers fly past me ☹️
Inspired by Lunge as I've not been under 20 mins since getting my hip replaced 3 years ago, got close hopefully be able to start regular training again soon
Intervals at the track later, but my new tri club runs on a 200m track. They're bad enough on a 400m track, but after a few on the new track I feel like a bloody hamster.
Encouraged by all those who are getting back to it, started trying to get back to autumn's fitness a couple of weeks ago - all in the hills as i really don't get on with roads. Did the 6 Munros east of the road at Glenshee on Sunday in a vaguely tolerable time and was just waiting for the pain and stiffness to follow. But...nothing. Feel absolutely fine, so now thinking of those longer days to work towards. Just need Scottish summer to last longer than 2 days.
@turboferret - maybe the competition wont give you the extra kick you need then, but I often go into races with no expectations and surprise myself, in fact I think my mindset is usually, 'We'll just see what happens'. I think what you should maybe do is pretend you're at the back when you start and are a lap down, and try and get back to the front by lapping everyone at least once! Good luck.
New super-shoe drop today, the NB FuelCell RC Elite v2, getting rave reviews from those in the know. It's a good job NB don't really bit my feet or that'd be another £200 spent on shoes...!
https://www.prodirectrunning.com/p/new-balance-fuelcell-rc-elite-purple-white-mens-shoes-239944/
@lunge they sold out quickly, so one assumes they're better than the 1st version. I was so underwhelmed by those that I sent them back for a refund
Anyone going to Ennerdale tomorrow? Looks like cool but clear conditions on the tops. I'll be racing, hoping for a 4:30 time to finish.
So - another 7 mile run at the weekend and I am getting a little frustrated as I just don't seem to be getting quicker this year - I have done the same run five times over the last few months (along with other runs obviously - I run twice a week every week). Ordinarily I'd be expecting to be seeing improvements each week (this is the usual experience). I guess it was pretty warm on Sunday but I did go out early and it wasn't hideously warm.
Anyone got any ideas on how else I can try to improve?
Here are the stats
13 June
Morning Run
1:02:36
5 June
Afternoon Run
1:02:21
22 May
Lunch run
1:01:43
5 March
Morning Run
1:02:57
Anyone got any good links to interesting running sites? Kind of like the STW or the Radavist of running news, reviews, goings on etc.
Subscribe to Like the Wind, but get through it well before the next issue hits.
Anyone got any ideas on how else I can try to improve?
I think start introducing speed work or hill reps. If you're running the same route over and over, you're going to plateau.
Fartlek is good, either on your own just picking a spot to sprint too, or with someone else taking it turns. Alternatively find a good hill and session it.
Anyone got any good links to interesting running sites? Kind of like the STW or the Radavist of running news, reviews, goings on etc.
https://www.irunfar.com/ isn't too bad if you're into trail running. A bit US-centric, perhaps.
I think start introducing speed work or hill reps. If you’re running the same route over and over, you’re going to plateau.
I have only run that route four times in three months - I usually do a long run at the weekend (like that one but anything between 6 and 9 miles - I just happen to have run that one most regularly) then a shorter but quicker run midweek - usually about 2.5 to 4 miles when I can run at around 8.15 pace (longer runs are usually around 9.15 pace).
Alternatively find a good hill and session it.
I am just about to do that one this week - it's a 1.4 mile straight road with a big hill in the middle so I was going to spend an hour going back and forth.
My bad, sorry misread it!
I am just about to do that one this week – it’s a 1.4 mile straight road with a big hill in the middle so I was going to spend an hour going back and forth.
It's a horrible experience, but ultimately good for you.... I tend these days to listen to podcasts when doing stuff like this!
https://www.irunfar.com/ isn’t too bad if you’re into trail running. A bit US-centric, perhaps.
Thanks, will check that out!
Anyone got any ideas on how else I can try to improve?
Join a club and run with faster people, it’s improved my running no end. Going with a group a little quicker than you will soon improve things. Most will also have speed sessions and hill sessions which are much more fun with others than solo.
Anyone got any ideas on how else I can try to improve?
There's two basics of going faster - more speed and more endurance. As a starting point do you know the time splits between the first half and second half distance of the run?
If you are struggling to maintain your pace toward the end of the hour (i.e. second half is slower) you need some long, slower runs to build up endurance. If you are running fairly even splits, then speed sessions are needed to increase your comfortable pace. Things like fartlek, hill repeats intervals etc.
Joining a club is a good idea, or finding a structured training plan and following that should help build up endurance and speed. If you already follow a training plan, finding a different one may help to mix it up a bit.
Somebody once told me their marathon training plan entailed
"Running further. Running faster and running up more hills".
As a starting point do you know the time splits between the first half and second half distance of the run?
Yeah I have Strava so I have all the data however frustratingly I live at the top of a hill so all my runs tend to be downhill for the first half and back up for the second so it's difficult to work out what is going wrong.
I think I am just going to go out and push myself to up the pace I know I can maintain on shorter runs and trust myself I won't blow up.
And a good call re. joining a running club – it is something I have toyed with over the last year.
@alanf I'm afraid I didn't manage to lap everyone last night - 1 guy just eluded me 😀
I was aiming to beat a club-mate's 8:55 and came pretty close at 8:58, but it was a very lonely run, so hopefully plenty more potential with some company. Overall happy and the puke after finishing indicates a pretty hard effort!
Dragonfly shoes felt fine but nothing spectacular. A buddy said it's the day after that they come into their own, as your legs don't get so beaten up, similar to the 4%/Next% on the road.
@turboferret - 🙂 brilliant effort again! and another special time. You should drop that in a competitive race I reckon and the post finish puke shows a very hard effort indeed. Top marks all round.
I managed to bag a pair of the adizero adios pros a while back but not had the nerve to try them yet. How do you find they stack up against the Nike offerings?
From what I gather, none of these super shoes gives you a noticeable sense of extra speed, but they do delay the onset of fatigue meaning you can maintain a higher speed for longer. Any thoughts?
I find that the Adizero feel a bit more normal than a Next%, less squishy on the heel for example, but similarly quick. I would disagree about extra speed - I certainly feel the additional propulsion/bounce from a supershoe, minimising fatigue is a nice additional benefit too, and comes into it's own on longer races, so a bit of a double whammy.
I normally follow an 18-week marathon build and got a shock yesterday to realise that I'm already a few weeks behind for London! I think I've got a decent bit of base banked already though 🙂
Ah OK - well I can report back when I try them. I've also got the adizero pros and they don't have the massive sole but do have the plate and they don't really feel any quicker than regular Adios to me, but that's maybe just my perception or maybe the lack of the extra cush. Will give the big shoes an outing soon!
Yes, I was thinking the same recently, and I've got a half at Kew in September that I need to get rail tickets and accommodation sorted for. It seems to be coming round rather quickly!
Agreed, I think you've got more than an adequate base for London this time.
Took a punt on the NB FuelCell RC Elite v2...they'll be going back...
Really strange shoe, maybe I'm used to Vaporfly's, but they feel heavy and not as bouncy as I expected. They're also quite well built rather than the minimalist build of the VF's. They feel much more like a daily trainer than a race shoe to me.
Fit is actually OK, a little narrow in the forefoot, but definitely useable.
Either way, they're getting sent back and a new shiny pair of VF's are on the way.
