[Closed] The people of England are angry- revolution/riots on way ?!?

£7 billion pencilled in for the Houses of Parliament refurbishment
£370 million available for Buckingham Palace refurbishment
£200,000 for installation of life saving sprinklers in a social housing tower block seems like small change.
You can see why people get angry

Call me old-fashioned but I'd prefer it if we didn't offer up the poor at the burning altar of wealth. You may find less civil unrest as a result.

If you remember last time we had major riots, it happened when someone got shot and certain elements of the community didn't want to bother, or weren't interested, in waiting for the facts before laying blame. Turns out that when the facts came out the 'version of events' that was being bandied around at the time was a load of nonsense.

What makes you think that history isn't repeating itself?

£200,000 for installation of life saving sprinklers in a social housing tower block seems like small change.

Yay, fag packet calculations are for winners.

Do we even know if the building could have been converted, structurally? Would it have required a swimming pool sized emergency water tank on the roof? Could the structure take this weight if it wasn't designed for it? I don't know, I'll bet you don't either. That's why we have things like public inquiries.

Howdy neighbour !

Well if 100 miles qualifies as "neighbourly", then howdy back.

Angry? yes but not angry enough to riot I don't think. We do passive aggressive rather than proper aggressive.
Unsettled and scared, yes.
Realising we've thrown all our money, power and political influence away in a fit of utter complacency and consumerism and feeling more than a little bit stupid, yes.

I don't know if it's from leaving London or not but around me I'm certainly hearing some rather strident right-wing views expressed relatively publicly which I've not heard for a long time, but that may just be because I'm living in middle England for the first time in 25+ years.

I think we'd all rather surf the internet, go shopping and watch TV than riot though. The right-wing bigots I know aren't the rioting type - small minded wealthy middle-class middle englanders, all of them...

That said, I suspect most of us on this forum haven't been impacted by austerity as much as other people so maybe we don't realise how hard things are for a lot of people down on the ground...

Yay, fag packet calculations are for winners.

"The British Automatic Fire Sprinkler Association (BAFSA), the trade body for the fire sprinkler industry, said retrofitting Grenfell Tower with sprinklers might have cost £200,000"

Back in your box Tory Boi!

Source: [url= https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/40293035 ]BBC[/url]

deadlydarcy - Member
Howdy neighbour !
Well if 100 miles qualifies as "neighbourly", then howdy back.

I live near Enfield

100 miles why my estate is about that size

DD did actually live in Enfield for a few days. I've no idea why he hasn't come back...

I did. It was fun and I met some awesome folk. 😉 But I haven't been back, no.

By strange coincidence I'll be down in brizzle in the next few weeks DD if you fancy a beer...

Holler me up dude. I'll be about.

I'm delighted, yet another pathetic performance from our wooden shell of a leader.

She really is completely shit at her job.

I know, wouldn't it be much better if we followed the example of other EU countries and nipped riots it in the bud by using Water cannon and CS gas?

we need a revolution - trouble is, the vast majority are more interested in what is going to happen in Eastenders/Corry/the next series of Game of Thrones than what is actually going on around them, the real drama.

You live in a box, you watch a box, you leave life in a box....

your choice.

Meanwhile a tower engulfed in flames doesn't collapse?

We are just pawns in the game and we are moved around and sacrificed for the big boys, the kings and queens to take the glory.

Wake up?

We don't need, a new t-shirt, a new Iphone, and new stem,,,,we need realisation from the masses!

Meanwhile a tower engulfed in flames doesn't collapse?

Wake up?

The implication being?

Whathaveisaidnow - Member
we need a revolution ...

Why?

For?

To clean up all the zombie maggots.

The implication being?

the truth. the realisation.

you know...I told a work colleague that 9/11 was an inside job....

her reply...

It can't be...the BBC haven't made a documentary on it...

that thinking is pure......insanity and shows how well we are being controlled!

Why?

For?

...because DM are always right.... 8)

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

These are the people who lived in that wretched tower - it justifies a riot.....

why?

for?

The implication being?

...are these computer generated replies? The cognitive infiltrators must be on a lunch break.

Whathaveisaidnow

the truth. the realisation.

you know...I told a work colleague that 9/11 was an inside job....

her reply...

It can't be...the BBC haven't made a documentary on it...

that thinking is pure......insanity and shows how well we are being controlled!

you know...I told a work colleague that 9/11 was an inside job....

her reply...

It can't be...the BBC haven't made a documentary on it...

that thinking is pure......insanity

you know...I told a work colleague that 9/11 was an inside job....

...the BBC haven't made a documentary on it...

that thinking is pure......insanity

you know...I told a work colleague that 9/11 was an inside job....

that thinking is pure......insanity

I told a work colleague that 9/11 was an inside job....

that thinking is pure......insanity

9/11 was an inside job....

pure......insanity

pure......insanity

insanity

Ok let's draw a parallel (universe)

I am in my local pub and the local Tory MP (Rishi "slightly right of Facist" Sunak) is in with his missus shaking hands and back slapping the local yokels whilst ordering his £65 chateaubriand.

Still life has to go on...

jimjam...

Instead of going away and doing some research, and perhaps debating/disagreeing with my points/opinion,...

...you put time and effort into that copy and pasting,...and nothing else... well done you on wasting about ten minutes of your time.

shall i tuck you in?

oldracer - Member
"The British Automatic Fire Sprinkler Association (BAFSA), the trade body for the fire sprinkler industry, said retrofitting Grenfell Tower with sprinklers might have cost £200,000

So the body for installing sprinklers believe that installing sprinklers is the best option?

What about the disruption it would have caused? It's not a 2 minute job

From that info they are not recommending it. Just saying how much it may have cost.

And really? Disruption... Compared to the current situation. Most of those who survived ran out with only the clothes they where wearing.

In retrospect a bit of building work would probably not have been too much of a big deal. Especially if it had been done at the same time as all the other recent renovations

When people can't get their German whips cheap, iphones and go on cheap holibobs twice a year then it will kick right off.

Well a few wheelie bins booted over in a town centre.

Just run a road biker over that relives a bit of tension 😆

Farkin raygunners, scroungers and nonces.

Not to mention cheap servants FFS.

Meanwhile a tower engulfed in flames doesn't collapse?

Wake up?

The implication being?

I would guess that the implication is that two buildings with different construction design, materials and load cases would obviously not be expected to react the same way. To imagine anything else would be foolish.

enfht - Member
Any leftwing placard-waving twunts marching through my town demanding revolution will get a punch in the face. I say bring it on.

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Has it arrived BTW?

I was collecting it, it was worth the wait.

Where d'you live and when are you likely to be watching?

Grew up in Enfield funnily enough, EN2.

The socialist worker mobs are a rare site nowadays outside Barclays which is a shame tbh as they were always good for a piss take. Lenny the tramp would often be stood nearby rambling more coherently than the dumbos handing out leaflets. I guess unless you were from Enfield you'd think Lenny was one them 😆

Don't think (unfortunately) there will be enough consecutive days of good weather for anything to reach boiling point. No one wants to riot in the rain.

30 degrees forecast for next couple of days darn sarf. Let the wheelybin upturning commence!

I would guess that the implication is that two buildings with different construction design, materials and load cases would obviously not be expected to react the same way...

We are just pawns in the game and we are moved around and sacrificed for the big boys, the kings and queens to take the glory.

Whathaveisaidnow - Member

jimjam...

Instead of going away and doing some research, and perhaps debating/disagreeing with my points/opinion,...

...you put time and effort into that copy and pasting,...and nothing else... well done you on wasting about ten minutes of your time.

shall i tuck you in?

So just to be clear, you are suggesting that the September 11th attacks were an American government conspiracy?

Blame immigrants, disabled, poor. Spread shit on social media.

Job done. This kind of [s]slacktivism[/s] ceaseless xenophobia/racism is currently all the rage, and I don't see it changing anytime soon. Kippers et al already [i]have[/i] revolted. In every sense of the word. They have broken all of the windows. This is their 'kristallnacht'. It's going to be 'tough' for a few seasons while we find our rudder wot the EU ripped off and hid somehwere, but then the Good Ship Brittannia will soon be under full sail, full sovereignty and back home to Blighty in time for tea and biscuits. And none of that foreign muck.

Malvern Rider - Member

Blame immigrants.

Job done.

For 9/11?

Lenny the tramp

Actually quite a nice chap. Turned out he owned his own home which he never lived in.

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I would guess that the implication is that two buildings with different construction design, materials and load cases would obviously not be expected to react the same way. To imagine anything else would be foolish.

WTC7 & The Twin's? You crazy tin foil hat wearing loon.

 

the truth. the realisation.

you know...I told a work colleague that 9/11 was an inside job....

her reply...

It can't be...the BBC haven't made a documentary on it...

I think you missed her joke.

That's unfortunately one of the many 'Lenny Myths' kryton. He grew up in Russell Road before his parents kicked him out. He was [i]much[/i] younger than he looked 😥

EDIT: He's actually stood outside Barclays in that photo 😆

What's with all this socialist (nigh communist) crap about vacant high-end properties in the context of the newly homeless? Is it suddenly non-cricket to have aspired to owning property in Kensington and damn well not using it?

Are they suggesting such properties are commandeered as emergency accommodation?

What utter shite.

derek_starship - Member

What's with all this socialist (nigh communist) crap about vacant high-end properties in the context of the newly homeless? Is it suddenly non-cricket to have aspired to owning property in Kensington and damn well not using it?

No, they'll be talking about buy-to-leave. Kensington has the biggest proportion of long-term empty homes in the south east, 1 home in 50 is currently empty, 2 out of 3 new homes is purchased from abroad (that's not a problem in itself but Savills estimates that 2/3s are bought purely as investments).

Nothing to do with aspiration and certainly not a "socialist" concern- buy-to-leave's a huge problem for some areas, it drives up house prices, can increase crime, and hurts local services. So much for aspiration, it's a major factor in making London unaffordable for people.

Kensington has (as far as I know) refused to take any action but other london boroughs have- Camden put a 50% surcharge on council tax for homes empty for more than 2 years- led to a 40% reduction in empty homes while Kensington rose unrestricted.

Blame [s]immigrants, disabled, poor[/s] the successful, rich and the nasty Tories. Spread shit on social media.

FIFY

Northwind Kensington and Chelsea provides 6% (I recall) of the stamp dury raised [b]nationally[/b]. All that money goes to keep taxes lower for the rest of the country

The £8,600,000 or £80,000 per flat was more than enough to do a decent job and improve safetly. The priorities where wrong, very wrong

jambalaya - Member

Northwind Kensington and Chelsea provides 6% (I recall) of the stamp dury raised nationally. All that money goes to keep taxes lower for the rest of the country

OK, well thanks for your random nonsequitor.

jambalaya - Member
Blame immigrants, disabled, poor the successful, rich and the nasty Tories. Spread shit on social media.

FIFY

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Spreading false shit on social media and lying to the populace worked for you lot in the referendum. Bit churlish not to let the other side have a go.

The social media stuff worries you lot, though, doesn't it? Not so easy to set the agenda as the good old days when Murdoch et al pulled the strings.

Your lot are a busted flush anyway, mate.

FIFY

You're suggesting that the Brexit campaign was fought and won against the Tories/rich people?? How did that work out for the 5 biggest donors to the Leave campaign?

I'm beginning to see what this 'Jambafact' thing is all about...

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A Northern Cap rabbit? Very rare binners hope you have pet insurance.

Meanwhile a tower engulfed in flames doesn't collapse?

Butbutbutbutbutbutbutbutbutbutbut.....jet fuel....steel......melting points! I mean just look at the tape? Do you even Youtube?

Larry Silverstein the guy who made billions on the insurance regards 9/11 ...admitted that they 'pulled it' (Building 7)...you know, the one that never got hit by a plane and fell at free-fall speed.

low and behold, building 7 was absent from the NIST report.

If one was pulled...they all were.

It's not conspiracy,..it's the truth.

ps to whoever said my colleague was joking, you were not there, do not know my colleague,...i was...she wasn't joking. Like her,..go keep eating your grass.

Wow.

Out of interest; what's your position on the shape of the Earth?

Earth is a conspiracy, it only exists in the minds of the brainwashed

Lets say the conspiracists are right, and Aliens crash in Roswell in 1948, Man didn't land on the moon, 911 was rigged by the US, and what ever else crazy crap they want to believe is also true. So what? What are they going to actually do tomorrow now that we know these things? The answer, same as they did today, because those things change nothing. You still have to get out of bed in the morning and go to your dead end boring repetitive job, you still get home knackered, and have to cook diner, you'll still watch the same crap telly, then go to bed, and wake up the next morning and yup, do it all again.

People sad enough to believe in these ridiculous theories do so because their own lives are so rubbish, so nothing you can say will change that.

ChrisL has a kinder theory than mine for conspiracy theories, he says they're basically an attempt to make sense of a confusing world. In the case of tragedies in particular it can give reason to unfairness or randomness.

Me, I'm a less nice person, so I think it's pretty simple. Knowing things is nice- specifically, knowing things that other people don't know. For some of us it's about being asked things, and being able to strut your stuff. For others, it increases their sense of importance, or cements a professional position. And for some, it gives some people a sense of superiority - "imagine you not knowing that". Whatever the reason, knowing stuff is satisfying.

But knowing stuff is hard, and knowing stuff that not many people know is either very hard, or means knowing stuff about things most people just don't care about. I was, frinstance, one of the most knowledgable people in the world on the subject of BACS payments, nobody gives a ****

So, if you want to know something novel, in a field that people actually care about, you've either got to be very good, or you've got to make it up.

Northwind, amen to that.

As a structural engineer I find the 911 conspiracy theories about the twin towers hard to stomach. I know we're meant to disregard expert opinion but when people spout basic shite it kind makes the rest of their argument look pretty weak.

Castles made of sand...

If the Corbyn-led Labour Party are elected to power in the next round, which looks likely sooner rather than later, the "right" and it's supporters will have no-one to blame but themselves.

With what is being laid bare about the state of the UK's social drift in the aftermath of Grenfell, disgust and revenge are likely to be the main motivators, especially amongst the resurgent youth vote.

It will serve them right (no pun intended), IMO.

The surprise is that it takes people so long to realise under each tory government that the government is not working for the majority of peoples well being or standard of life.
People are sold the idea that the tories will somehow manage stuff better and they will be better as a result while all that happens is the people at the top just get ever more elevated.

I think Corbyn's use of the 95% versus the 5% was a very good and simple way of showing it and making people think about it rather than the previous Labour leaders silence on the issue.

What we are seeing over last year or so is that people are working it out sooner that they have done in the past and the young are actually starting to realise they can do something about it.

and the young are actually starting to realise they can do something about it.

Until they grow up. Then get a job. Then think 'labour wanting to give all my hard earned money to the sponging layabouts? No thanks' Then they become tory voters.

to whoever said my colleague was joking, you were not there, do not know my colleague,...i was...she wasn't joking. Like her,..go keep eating your grass.

I planted her there she's part of a secret government team to convert those that know the truth into believing 911 was a terrorist attack.

I think Corbyn's use of the 95% versus the 5% was a very good and simple way of showing it and making people think about it rather than the previous Labour leaders silence on the issue.

But as a realist I understand that without the tax receipts of the 5% you mention, the country would be in a dire economic mess as I don't see how you would fund all of the wonderful policies that you have sold to the masses without massive public borrowing.

And? Is this the gun to the head, we'll take our money abroad if you tax us argument again?

Plus the fact that a lot of that 5% can use a part of their income to engage expensive tax consultants to avoid paying what they (nominally) should.

This sudden appetite for socialism makes me chuckle.

It's hardly surprising. After the last 18 months lurch to the right (me, me, me) people have got what they 'wanted' (Brexit, Trump etc) and are now thinking "oh shit, I didn't actually think that would happen, and just look at these assholes".

The world would be a much better place if people could make their bloody minds up.

Larry Silverstein the guy who made billions on the insurance regards 9/11 ...admitted that they 'pulled it' (Building 7)

Link? Otherwise it's a story you heard in the pub...

And? Is this the gun to the head, we'll take our money abroad if you tax us argument again?

Plus the fact that a lot of that 5% can use a part of their income to engage expensive tax consultants to avoid paying what they (nominally) should.

For example, do you think it's fair that someone earning 100 - 120k / year who I add is paying 6k/year for a rail season ticket is paying a notional 60% tax rate on that 20k?

I was really interested to see the celebs who came out to support Labour. Did they make their personal tax affairs available for public viewing?

The world would be a much better place if people could make their bloody minds up.

The pendulum is just swinging faster. We sort-of function in the centre and always fail at the edges. With social media and evolving world-events the pace of politics is dizzying.

Add to this the soporific (as opposed to enlightening) effect of the ****tersphere and you'll find that the only 'revolution' we've had in very recent times has been the smoking 'Kipper that was eagerly snapped in the confessional/voting-booth by our now smugly xenophobic and perma-fearful Baby-Boomer parents. Well that and Trump. See again the ****tersphere.

Link? Otherwise it's a story you heard in the pub...

There's the clip (or 100) on youtube where he says that the burning building was in danger of collapse so 'we pulled it'.

Of course there is no clear context. Did he mean 'pulled it/pulled out', did he mean 'we' ie 'collective discussion with owner and the fire crew'. I certainly don't believe that they rigged the building with explosives and then set it on fire to later destroy it at the behest of the Evil Jewlordz TM. So it would seem that they pulled out the fire crew and let it fall. I know, crazy right? One thing is for sure, that day changed (and continues to change) all of our lives because of the opportunism of Bush and Blair. I wonder if 3000 people had died in a terrorist attack in ****stan if the world would have changed? Problem for conspiracy theorists is they always neglect to factor in opportunism.

For example, do you think it's fair that someone earning 100 - 120k / year who I add is paying 6k/year for a rail season ticket is paying a notional 60% tax rate on that 20k?

Yes, unequivocally. The rail season ticket is optional, but I presume we are talking about it being intrinsic to the ability to command the salary in the first place by commuting into London. This person would have to view their situation in the round, and probably will have done.

I find it very odd that a handful of people in a company can earn 10+ times more than the average employee. Do they work more than ten times the hours? Do ten times as good a job? Some undoubtedly will contribute more profit to the business, but a lot won't.

It is the obscene multiples at the top that piss people off as it really is a glass ceiling.

For example, do you think it's fair that someone earning 100 - 120k / year who I add is paying 6k/year for a rail season ticket is paying a notional 60% tax rate on earnings over 100k?

on earnings over 100k?

I'm pretty peeved by it all, frankly.

Sorry.

No need to be sorry. Above a certain amount it is just not [u]necessary[/u].

Then it really is summed up by this:

Of course there is no clear context

Indeed.

So, it seems quite apparent that it's unclear quite exactly what was meant.....& so the flat-earthers jump to the most bonkers one. Makes sense..

Anyway, the sunshine is free, so enjoy it safe in the knowledge that there are a few things that being [i]vastly wealthy darling[/i] cannot influence.

I think it's completely fair. Nobody needs an income of that level, making it entirely a luxury.

So you're saying we should start paying headmasters, doctors and hospital consultants less?

Could be a good solution, we would'nt need austerity if we capped public sector wages as 100k would we?

So you're saying we should start paying headmasters, doctors and hospital consultants less?

Nope, we should be taxing them more. Realise that giving money from public funds and then taking more back in tax is same as not giving as much but we are competing with private sector salaries so the solution is to tax all.

What T5 awning for the revolution? will there be electrical hook up? I can't fit my woodburner in the van.

ntil they grow up. Then get a job. Then think 'labour wanting to give all my hard earned money to the sponging layabouts? No thanks' Then they become tory voters.

That age is shifting in latest data to around 50 years old. So the selfishness and ability to forget what it was like when they were young is at least shifting in the correct direction.

It also doesn't shift for everyone, I have remained left wing my entire life and having more money has not changed by outlook in a single way.

we would'nt need austerity if we capped public sector wages as 100k would we?

Thing is Capitalism is automatically self balancing. RISK vs REWARD.

If you are the manager of a company that turns over £10.72 a year and makes 39 pence profit, your reward will, necessarily be limited.

If you are the manager of a company that turns over £10.72 Billion a year and makes £390 Million profit, your reward will, necessarily be rather higher.

People who get results get rewarded. People who sit on their fat lazy asses all day watching Bargain Hunters get nothing.

So here's my advice: It makes NO DIFFERENCE which political party you support, because they are not the ones driving our country!

Far, far, far better to get off your ass, find something you enjoy doing, work hard at doing that, and make YOUR life better YOURSELF! There are plenty of self made millionaires, people who despite not having an a amazing schooling or background have worked hard, and made themselves. The problem, is that it's much easier to just sit back and moan, rather than get up, get out, and do something about it............