[Closed] The Margaret Thatcher Film ;o)

anyone seen it?

It contains scenes that may be upsetting for miners

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Is it just me, or is that large expanse of forehead on the posters just begging t have something written on it?

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Now, children; what could we write on the blank area?

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Not seen it but it sounds rather depressing being partly about dementia.

Now, children; what could we write on the blank area?

saviour of Great Britain

stuff the miners

wahey maggie you goddess

take this pinko lefties

Now, children; what could we write on the blank area?

Well Elf, for the Iron Lady and that full '80s vibe it would have to be "Very Metal" wouldn't it? 🙂

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The reviews I've read are basically that Streep is incredible, but the film itself is not much cop.

I would draw a bullet hole followed by the word gotcha in the blank area.

How's about a big sloppy lipstick kiss??

You're thinking of Gorbachev.

Anyone remember that Specialized ad in bike mags in the late eighties/early nineties, with Gorby on a bike, and the birthmark on his head was a Specialized logo?

Shoulduv cut that out and kept it, it was class.

Saw this last night. Excellent film but hard to watch for so many reasons. Not recommended for anyone who has just lost someone or who has a relative who suffers from dementia - too painful.

Streep is superb (as is her make-up) even down to the teeth. But Jim Broadbent as DT steals it for me, for his humour at the perfect time.

Having the main character someone who stirs up so much emotion adds to the natural challenges of the main subject but would be hard to watch if you were family.

Cinema deadly quiet at the end as Bach's prelude appropriately accompanies the credit. Very moving in a painful way.

A very lefty friend of mine saw this the other day and announced "I feel kind of sorry for her now".

I don't.

There's nothing that could happen to that bloody woman that would elicit the slightest hint of sympathy in me

Its a good film irrespective of your political persuasions - there is a very telling scene when she squashed Howe in a Cabinet meeting and you realise that's the beginning of the end.

Leading Tory males are not dealt with sympathetically - I can see why Tarzan didn't like it!!

You would enjoy her suffering then binners.

If you black out the MT bit, its an interesting portrayal of living with dementia.

what binners said

JY - I had teed you up there and that was it!!!

My childhood years, so interesting to re-live the 70s and early 80s. Not a great period although few people seem to remember the 70s!!!

According to the synopsis it contains " brief nudity " , why do I feel so queazy

How bitter do you want me to be towards a senile old lady?

a friends daughter works at the light cinema in leeds.
told him that that nobody is going to watch it. 20 people for the 1st veiwing is the most they have had.

i reckon i will get a crowd of 30 or 40 when i have my 'thatcher is dead' barbie, when the time comes....... 8)

I watched it and really didn't like it. I felt that the "present day" sections (far too long) ruined what could have been an extremely interesting biography.

There's nothing that could happen to that bloody woman that would elicit the slightest hint of sympathy in me

Not even if she was in effect brain dead and the person who walks around in her carcass today is a completely different person to the one which existed 30 years ago ?

I have to say you show all the unflinching and steely determination not to allow compassion and emotions cloud your judgement which I would expect from a true child of Thatcher.

And since Thatcher never seized power through a military coup and would have been utterly powerless and have achieved absolutely [i]nothing[/i], had it not been for the millions who supported her and urged her on, do you maintain the same level of hatred and unforgiveness to the millions of her supporters ? Is there nothing they can do which will allow you to forgive them ?

For all the predictable misery and destruction which Thatcher caused she [u]was[/u] actually [i]"Leader of the Conservative Party"[/i], and she served her party, industrialists, and bankers, well ..... no one can argue with that. Neither could anyone be in any doubt that she was Tory, which is more than can be said of her admirers in the Labour Party.

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I don't see the point of damning someone for being a Tory and behaving like one when they are actually leader of the Conservative Party. Makes no sense.

Its a good argument you put forward ernie and I read it on another thread [ not a dig] and FWIW it changed me from despising her to just being unsympathetic

For those that haven't seen this yet :

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/18914

To die of dementia is a hard way to die. I have seen it many times and I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

I still despise her tho. the damage she did to this country is incalculable and may never be healed

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Not even if she ... is a completely different person to the one which existed 30 years ago ?

... do you maintain the same level of hatred and unforgiveness to the millions of her supporters ? Is there nothing they can do which will allow you to forgive them ?

Fair coment about her being a different person.

However, her supporters "her party, industrialists, and bankers" continue to shaft the people of this country.
Why do they deserve anything?

I still despise her tho. the damage she did to this country is incalculable and may never be healed

Other opinions are available.

PP other opinions are indeed available BUT none of them truer.

Never was affected by her financially myself but at least I wasn't blind to what she did to other people.

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However, her supporters "her party, industrialists, and bankers" continue to shaft the people of this country.

No, her supporters were not restricted to just those people. Her party, industrialists, and bankers, only account for a few thousand votes, she needed the support of millions to be able to do what she did.

Contrary to a widely held belief politicians are not the problem, the problem is the people who give them power.

Thatcher might well have only served narrow class interests, but she needed the support of millions to achieve that. And support she got, despite the fact that she comprehensively failed in all her stated aims (although she was hugely successful in her unstated aims). It took 11 years before she became an electoral liability for Tories, at which point they promptly sacked her - forcing her out of Downing Street in tears.

As I said, politicians are not the problem, the problem is the people who give them power. And you can't begin to resolve a problem until you have correctly identified it.

I watched it and really didn't like it. I felt that the "present day" sections (far too long) ruined what could have been an extremely interesting biography.

I also don't think it portrays Thatcher in a particularly sympathetic life as a politician, as opposed to a dementia sufferer: there's nothing to her beyond platitudes, pigheadedness and self-belief. Not bad qualities to have if you're climbing the greasy pole but she is not made out to be Gandhi, Mandela or Churchill by any stretch.

The actors who played Carol Thatcher and Dennis Thatcher were excellent.

Ernie. Whether you like it or not, ALL the problems in our present society can be traced back directly to that woman.

What I'm offering is the same level of sympathy that she offered to the millions of people who's lives she destroyed with such inhuman relish! You reep what you so I'm afraid!

I hardly need to ask if you witnessed the destruction her ideology wreaked on entire communities. Those who voted for her were normally safely insulted from the fall out!

Why the hell do you think that, even to this day, Tory MP's are non-existent in large swathes of this country

were normally safely insulted

Being insulted without fear of injury??

Why the hell do you think that, even to this day, Tory MP's are non-existent in large swathes of [s]this country[/s] Scotland

Why the hell do you think that, even to this day, Tory MP's are non-existent in large swathes of Scotland

Well, woppitt, unless stage 2 of the Scottish independence plan has been enacted, and they've invaded northern England, I think you'll find you're wrong...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/results/

Solid Tory majority, then...

yes 1 MP and finishing last [ of the big 4 parties] i surely prrof of popularity

Sun stroke zokes?

.....the destruction her ideology wreaked on entire communities. Those who voted for her were normally safely insulated from the fall out!

Actually the irony of Thatcherism is that many of her victims could be counted among her most enthusiastic supporters.

Thatcher succeeded in becoming PM in 1979 by convincing a very small but significant minority to change their traditional allegiance away from Labour and to the Conservatives.

The region which actually tipped the scales in what was otherwise a fairly close election was "the prosperous Midlands".

Skilled workers in the Midlands were doing relatively very well at a time when Britain still exported more manufacturing goods than she imported. What occurred was the Labour Party and trade unions became victims of their own successes.

After decades of constantly improving living standards thanks to Labour national and local governments, plus the negotiating skills of their trade unions, a minority of skilled workers decided they wanted nothing less than "more".

Thatcher's appeal to selfishness and the triumph of personal greed struck a particular cord with them, specially with all the talk of alleged tax cuts and buying your council property.

So it was that a significant minority of skilled Sun reading manual workers gave Thatcher the power, which she otherwise would not have had, to do what she did. They continued to support her and still largely do to this day.

The irony is that despite the prosperous Midlands winning it for Thatcher in '79, and the fact that many skilled workers subsequently did precisely what Thatcher requested of them and obediently turned their backs in their trade unions putting instead their faith in her, she destroyed British manufacturing, preferring instead to help her mates in the banking and financial services industry.

Another example of how Thatcher shafted her own supporters was the case of the Notts Working Miners. The Notts Working Miners were indispensable to Thatcher and she promised them a bright well-paid rosy future with lots of talk of endless work in the so-called "Super-pits".

All they had to do was turn their backs on their union and carry on working with complete disregard for their colleagues who would lose their livelihoods. They obliged, and when Thatcher had consolidated her power she shafted them. Although I'm sure many former Notts Working Miners will still tell you what a great gal Maggie was.

There were also btw plenty of Notts Striking Miners, they didn't get paid for a year, whilst Maggie's boys were raking it in. Until she shafted them of course.

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Woppit & Junkyard - I think zokes point is that binners is correct, and it's not just in Scotland where Tory MPs are non-existent in large swathes of the country.

ye you may be right Apologies if I am wrong.