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Just wait for the DVD, you'll be able to skip the casino bit and pause when you need the loo/want a cuppa.
I reckon the whole casino bit and the build up to it could be edited out (before someone watched it for the first time) and they wouldn't notice anything was missing.
Depends if that kid with the broom is important or not
Basically see the end of Thor Ragnarok, similar idea there
Thor is shit loads better though, apart from Deadpool I reckon it's the best Marvel movie so far.
I was so excited about TLJ as really liked TFA and Rogue One. There were some good bits nestled in there but there were so many cringe worthy unnecessary shrapnels of Star Wars turds that I came away forgetting all about them.
I watched it this afternoon and six hours later I realised my biggest gripe with it: not enough Chewie. A classic all time favourite character for many fans consigned to a few bit part appearances, with virtually no dialogue.
Needs more Chewie!
No these are the leaders and a bulk of their forces, they also have lots of people around the galaxy who need to come together.
You mean the bulk of their forces that all managed to get aboard the Millennium Falcon without even having to sit on each others laps?
No the bulk died in the attacks. There are others who were not brave enough to answer the call. Hence this is the spark that lights the fire line. They are the survivors and nucleus of what will follow. Where those from around the galaxy will follow after the escape, behind the next jedi along side those that were inspired to stand up to the rich and the powerful etc. Etc
Finally get to read this thread, yay!!
Brilliant film. Possibly not quite as good as Rogue One but not far off
I have seen it twice once with a group of young people aged 11 to 15 years old and by myself to see if it altered my view of the film.
IMHO it is dire, without doubt the worst thing in it was Carrie Fisher, she looked like a Henson Workshop Creation without the emotional range - the Mary Poppins moment was embarrassing beyond words, Truely one of the most laughable scenes going.
Then we have the performance of Mark Hamill, cringe worthy ham acting showed range was " near tears" not almost at that stage of crying and I have trapped wind so pass the gavascon. Awful awful awful.
Rey and Ren what gubbins, Rey wishy washy character whose performance was on par with Kiera Knightly in Domino where she played a bounty hunter from Kensington UK living and plying her trade inUSA, would your last and best hope be Rey? No no no, and this has nothing to do with being female more gender politics later.
Ren how is a 34 year old actor playing a sulky brat, as well as can be expected but again Truely diabolical script writing.
Shame on Fozzie Bear, has the pension fund run low to appear as a green alien reincarnated to tell jokes not? I sat like Waldorf just heckling when that whole scene panned out.
C3P0 why did Han Solo not shoot this droid, imagine a slightly hammered Solo being berated by the aforementioned droid takes Chewie's blaster and dispatches the whining neurotic social inept droid to droid heaven, the crowd goes wild.
This underpins most of the film a Truely guffing,grim script trying to play to too many auidences and demographic, fans to newbies, and successive in none, limited wit and wasted opportunities to develop Fin as a character and the best actor in there.
Theme wise apart from the vegan vegetarian ( porgs and Cheeks) animal liberation ( them there rabbit things) it was a mess,
Female characters that really still conform to patriarchal norms......see the whole Poe Damon we still like him after the mutiny, no shoot him for insubordination and mutiny! Rey looking to save Den like only a good woman can, Rose falling in love with a tall handsome guy, arrrghhh
The heavy handed capitalism is wrong bit - okay Disney I have been to Disneyworld a good few times and not seeing a lot of difference to the casino Planet exploitation model.
Highlights, why use of red and white really vivid scene in Snooks room ( ruined by Rey's ability to wield a sabre and physically move) and the final shoot out on the mining planet - salty- (ruined by the ridiculously idiotic nature of the resources of one side to the other) but lifted from Flash Gordon and many manga comics.
Errrrrrr nowt else.
Loved Rogue one, gritty nasty and grim plus funny.
Didn't understand all of that but I watched it without thinking about it very much and maybe that's why I enjoyed it.
Exactly Curto80.
I dont get it. I thought it was much better than TFA. Not as good as Rogue 1 but on a par with Jedi.
Not sure where to start.
I’m not the target audience. Disney have given a firm 1 finger salute to Star Wars nerds like me and set their stall out. This was about winning a new generation of fans. Fine. But why not just go with a completely fresh set of characters in TFA? Hanging on to Chewie, Han, Luke & Leia and refs to Vader have contributed to the nonsense they’ve ended up with in TLJ. Should have just started TFA clean, maybe a little further in to the timeline with the old crowd already dead.
This would have made more sense. The saga continues for the next generation of fans with the intervening movies like Rogue One and Solo for the older fans.
Episode VIII was just a terrible mess. IX is going to be a reboot of the the rebooted reboot. I think In years to come TLJ will be largely erased from the Star Wars consciousnesses, a la the Machete Order which ignores Epsiode I.
No the bulk died in the attacks.
For clarification
[sarcasm]You mean the bulk of their forces that all managed to get aboard the Millennium Falcon without even having to sit on each others laps?[\sarcasm]
I think In years to come TLJ will be largely erased from the Star Wars consciousnesses, a la the Machete Order which ignores Epsiode I.
That would be smashing. Make it so, number one.
The whole First Order thing's a bit of an unexplained mess really. Even the trilogy of books set between Return Of The Jedi and The Force Awakens doesn't explain how it came about (or I'm too thick to see it.)
[i]Carrie Fisher, she looked like a Henson Workshop Creation without the emotional range[/i]
Interesting, cos Yoda is literally a Henson Workshop creation, voice by the man himself. The shitnes of Yoda confused me when the cgi of Snoke's mush was so good - does anyone know - is that because 'Star Wars purists ' would get upset if he was Cgi'ed well??
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I dont get it. I thought it was much better than TFA. Not as good as Rogue 1 but on a par with Jedi.
My thoughts exactly.
I’m not the target audience. Disney have given a firm 1 finger salute to Star Wars nerds like me and set their stall out.
Being a Star Wars nerd I found it targeting for people like me with it’s many references to the old ones and similar scenes like the Falcon trying to escape Tie Fighters.
I think they kept the deliberate look DezB possible for just that reason.
where as I felt that was them just rehashing the same scene with nothing new added - the falcon escaped again - what a surprise
Just got back from watching it. I enjoy them but I'm by no means a huge star wars fan so not necessarily into all the details so much.
In summary - it started ok - had a good 30-45 minutes in the middle which bored me beyond belief, the flying Leia bit was frankly ridiculous and the last 40 minutes was enjoyable.
Mark Kermode, eat your heart out 8)
Yup that’s it Junkyard but that’s Star Wars. The Leisa bit has our cinema showing bemused with giggles and what the hell cimments. I wasn’t so subtle.
I thought it was ok, but then:
IMHO it is dire,
I saw it was upsetting loads of man-babies, so my opinion of it has gone up.
I saw it was upsetting loads of man-babies, so my opinion of it has gone up.
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I saw it was upsetting loads of man-babies, so my opinion of it has gone up.
I'll drink to that!
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Love this gif!
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Just seen it, really enjoyed it, although I agree about the Mary Poppins bit. I' m not sure why people get so wound up by the flaws the 'science' After all, these films base themselves on the premise that despite the massive advances in technology warfare is conducted using weapons that appear to be aimed by hand against people wearing armour that doesn't protect them.. Surely they would have come up with a weapon which is no more effective than a gun firing a solid projectile. It's a film.... You have to suspend disbelief.
I saw it was upsetting loads of man-babies, so my opinion of it has gone up
Kid with the broom at the end - if you look closely you see he summons the broom with the force (I missed it first time). He symbolises a new generation of force sensitive children who are supposed to play a major part in the new trilogy being directed by Rian Johnson that takes the series away from the Skywalker story. Force sensitive slave/orphan children again - Anakin, Luke, Rey.
Saw it last night, it was okay, but killing off a main character each movie is pissing me off, and they're in schtuck next one now with Carrie passing away a year ago. Really surprised they didn't recut the film in the last twelve months to deal with that.
My biggest gripe with the whole story arc is that the Republic are quite clearly crap leaders, to be overcome by one Sith Lord is bad enough, but to let it happen twice is just shockingly poor leadership. Even Jezza would have been able to raise a load of students in the final stand off to help out, Princess Leia, not even a tofu sausage.
Lastly Luke, noooooooooooooooo! All my childhood dreams gone up in a blaze of imperial cannon fire / sat on a rock on craggy Island...
I've got some time to kill in town today so going to watch this.
3D, yay or nay?
[i]3D, yay or nay?[/i]
Depends if you want to wear silly glasses for 2 and a bit hours.
Anyone spot what Jedi Potter was describing to the other stable kids at the end before he summoned the Nimbus 3000? I thought he was showing them a bunch of AtAts blasting away at pretend Luke which would imply he's si well hooked up with the force that he could see what was going on. Mrs P thought he was telling them stories of lukes past adventures where he'd beaten up a load of AtAts on a white planet...
Finally got to see it this afternoon. It was ok, way too long and seemed aimed at the fans. Inclined to agree with Kermodes point that all the high brow film reviewers giving it 5* reviews will look back in three months and wonder what the heck they were thinking.
Genuinely not bothered if I never see it again, while I'll happily rewatch the original trilogy.
If you've not seen it already, Paddington 2 is a much better way to spend an afternoon.
Enjoyable way to spend three hours out of the way of the in laws, not a bad movie, though it won't be one of the classic SW movies either. I hope Rian Johnson isn't going to be involved with the next movie.
Loved how most of the survivors were milling around the Millennium Falcon at the end like they were at a dinner party rather than having seen most of their friends, comrades in arms and colleagues killed. Seemed to me the were trying to find a role for C3PO in handing out the canapés.
Well, hammy acting and clichés but loved it. Great way to kill a few hours in town.
This was about winning a new generation of fans. Fine. But why not just go with a completely fresh set of characters in TFA? Hanging on to Chewie, Han, Luke & Leia and refs to Vader have contributed to the nonsense they’ve ended up with in TLJ. Should have just started TFA clean, maybe a little further in to the timeline with the old crowd already dead.
Same, I thought they did a great job with TFA, no original cast members for ages into it, Solo dies, Leia hardly in it, Skywalker even less so, I left thinking it was a bit of a cheek leaving Skywalker out but it was a good film for kids and sad old Man Babies alike. Here’s the new order of things - okay.
TLJ seems keen to rubbish the original films for the sake of it though, insult it almost. Why I don’t know - perhaps some focus group somewhere decided kids didn’t like the new ones as much because they considered them of their parents generation.
Mrs P thought he was telling them stories of lukes past adventures where he'd beaten up a load of AtAts on a white planet...
No, he was telling about what just happened recently.
Maybe Lukes been remotely training more Force users? That way he would find it harder to kill them if they looked a bit angry
Well, hammy acting and clichés but loved it. Great way to kill a few hours in town.
Saw it last night. It will be the last Star Wars films I pay to see at the cinema.
A load of convoluted codswallop!
And that Leia scene - apart from the Mary Poppins bit, she's survived the bridge being destroyed with all limbs attached and just a bit of a bad headache!
That code-breaker bloke is obviously a new Hans for a later film (and completely pointless in this one) .
They are filling it so full of plot-lines to try and keep the Marvel style film conveyor belt moving.
I stand by thinking it was duff, and i don't think it would bother me so much if it wasn't for the fact that the director is doing another 3 of these movies.
There were good moments in it, but a few good bits don't make a good film and i think the length of the film and that Leia / Poppins scene show that the director needed reigning in a bit, not being allowed to make 3 more!
Kate Dickies renounced pronunciation! Ahahahahahah! She wouldn't be allowed to do her own accent as she would be more intimidating than Darth Vader.
Finally went to see it today with teenage kids. We thought it was great. Silly, full of plot holes and a bit long but still great. Maybe it's paying a tenner for 4 of us which tempers any criticism, but some brilliant set pieces, funny and with some decent plot twists.
Still I don't qualify for the STW level of 'It's hardly citizen kane is it' school of film criticism 😉
Similar to you Alex, I went with my 7yr old son on Boxing day, I enjoyed it and he thought it was awesome. Ticked all the boxes for us.
Hmmm. saw it earlier tonight.
Snoke, after all the speculation about who he was and his backstory they just killed him off without explaining a thing. I thought that was funny, Trolling
Same with Leia, since Carrie fisher died it was speculated they would kill her off in this film but didn't.
Half way through I thought this is a load of bollocks but by the end I had warmed to it, the whole sneak on to ship and switch off tracker sub-plot was ridiculous, surely they could come up with something better.
I didn't see Rey having too much Jedi training but now she's somehow fully qualified???
Went last night - thought it was fine - fun film.
Just can't see where the 5 star reviews came from though. Too long, and too much poor dialogue to be great. 10 year old me who saw first film in 1977 would have loved it. But Rogue One better for old man me.
I enjoy the nonsensical science and contrived plots - all classic Sci-Fi and gives us stuff to be nerdy about in the pub. I mean, they really should have court martialed Poe. If he had followed orders the running away in transports plan would have worked, rebels could have escaped and Luke would still be alive. And when will they stop putting starship bridges on the outside of the hull where they are really vulnerable?
Btw did anyone not think the Mary Poppins bit was terrible?