[Closed] The gender pay gap is a complete myth

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From the 'article'...

Simply put, men choose higher-paying jobs.

geetee, get off the fence and say what you think. You wouldn't want people to assume you posted this because you believed it, would you? People might assume you to be some sort of nasty little misogynist with revisionist Right-wing views.

Men are far more likely to choose careers that are more dangerous, so they naturally pay more. Top 10 most dangerous jobs (from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics): Fishers, loggers, aircraft pilots, farmers and ranchers, roofers, iron and steel workers, refuse and recyclable material collectors, industrial machinery installation and repair, truck drivers, construction laborers. They’re all male-dominated jobs.

Yep, they're male-dominated, and mostly low-paid. Sorry, what was their point?

Men are far more likely to work in higher-paying fields and occupations (by choice). According to the White House report, “In 2009, only 7 percent of female professionals were employed in the relatively high paying computer and engineering fields, compared with 38 percent of male professionals.” Professional women, on the other hand, are far more prevalent “in the relatively low-paying education and health care occupations.”

Hmm, is this because women [i]want[/i] to do these low-paying jobs, or is it because it's all they can get?

Men are far more likely to take work in uncomfortable, isolated, and undesirable locations that pay more.

Yep, coal-mining is a high-paying gig. As is deep-sea fishing. Loads of millionaires there.

Men work longer hours than women do. The average fulltime working man works 6 hours per week or 15 percent longer than the average fulltime working woman.

Irrelevant. I don't get paid a penny more for additional hours. Only really occurs in blue-collar environments.

Men are more likely to take jobs that require work on weekends and evenings and therefore pay more.

Having looked at the Tesco checkout staff in the evenings and at weekends (when I visit the shops) I notices a very high prevalence of women.

Even within the same career category, men are more likely to pursue high-stress and higher-paid areas of specialization. For example, within the medical profession, men gravitate to relatively high-stress and high-paying areas of specialization, like surgery, while women are more likely to pursue relatively lower-paid areas of specialization like pediatrician or dentist.

I have no idea whether this is true. And even if it is, do women [i]choose[/i] this?

Despite all of the above, unmarried women who’ve never had a child actually earn more than unmarried men, according to Nemko and data compiled from the Census Bureau.

Not sure what marriage proves? Do they mean childless, perhaps?

Women business owners make less than half of what male business owners make, which, since they have no boss, means it’s independent of discrimination. The reason for the disparity, according to a Rochester Institute of Technology study, is that money is the primary motivator for 76% of men versus only 29% of women. Women place a higher premium on shorter work weeks, proximity to home, fulfillment, autonomy, and safety, according to Nemko.

Mostly, women do place an emphasis on this. That's because, mostly, women are the primary carer (get the kids to school, attend parents evening etc) in a relationship. Also, it could be the case that women business owners make less money because they face discrimination. I'm not stating this as a fact, but it's as valid a thought as Mr Nemko's musings.

Construction work isn't highly paid on the grand scale, but it is well paid for it's skill level.

That is, an equivalent job for a person of lesser physical strength might be shop work, which is not paid as well.

women earn 75 cents for every dollar men make

This is indeed misleading though as the article says. Women often take career gaps to have kids, so your overall earning potential is going to be less. Otherwise you would have to pay women more per hour to compensate.

Men unfortunately cannot have kids.

The stats show women do get paid less that article is not disagreeing just trying to rationlaise as to why, I shall use Occam's razor and go for simply discrimination/sexism as the answer.
Even in female dominated low paid jobs, education for example we still see tham men are more likely to be managers or in senior positions.
Look at the female bosses of FTSE companies for example. Unless you want to argue women are inferior/less able than men then the answer is likely to be discrimination rather than choice or compotency

Men unfortunately cannot have kids

what utter piffle

he seems to base his argument on the books of a man who's bio includes such gems as 'career coach' and 'Many of his writings have been published on monster.com, yahoo.com, aol.com, msn.com' yet leaves his academic credentials to a single line stating simply that he has a PhD

[EDIT] a quick google throws up his PhD as being in the 'Evaluation of education'

i used to work as in oracle HRMS, which meant i had access to pay details and grades for every employee in some very large companies (35,000 employees). i ran a few stats on this for my own interest and there was a pay gap at every company i worked at. i can't remember all the details, but one company it was 15k women, 20k men.

This was using people on similar grades in similar roles.

There is some natural distortion if you take the mean rather than median too.

on average, women will be more intelligent than men, but mens figures have a greater standard deviation. Even in a fare society this will mean you will be more likely to find men at the very top (and bottom) of society, and since the pay scales at the top are in the millions, this will distort any figures.

I took all this into account though.

we still see tham men are more likely to be managers or in senior positions

Why though?

I have an opinion on this.

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Nickf you sound like a bit of a moron to me. You've just quoted stuff and said "That isn't high paid no one is a millionaire.". Which is about as scientific as ****ing a donkey. If you actually took a second to use your mind instead of spouting rubbish, you may have come to a different conclusion.

The point of the article waas to say the jobs are higher paid in comparison to jobs which require similar levels of education.

Men are far more likely to take work in uncomfortable, isolated, and undesirable locations that pay more.
Yep, coal-mining is a high-paying gig. As is deep-sea fishing. Loads of millionaires there.

There maybe no millionaires but I'll bet my left testicle both those jobs are paid more than the women on the checkouts in tescos. You can manipulate statistics to mean what ever you want. The BBC/newspapers do it every day.

Here's a useless source which probably isn't fact:
http://www.kgbanswers.com/what-is-the-average-salary-of-a-deep-sea-fishing-boat-captain/4511228

I've watched a few of those programmes "deadliest catch" etc. and they seem to take home a fair amount.
The average "builder"s salary in the UK is £28k according to http://www.mysalary.co.uk/average-salary/Builder_355 that's more than the checkout girls.

Anyway, its because women are controlled by hormones and are therefore unpredictable psychos, so no matter how many statistics you come out with, women still don't deserve to be paid the same.

amen to that brother