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England played decent football
We didn't have a shot on target after the goal in the second minute and Italy had around 65% possession
In this day and age of mental health awareness I hope the three lads get the support they need, I barely had the confidence to walk into a bar and order a pint at 19...
The ones who stood up no matter what order, who didn't, who should have, they deserve to come out of this being stronger, I hope they do.
I barely had the confidence to walk into a bar and order a pint at 19…
This deserves repeating.
Anyone with the ability to play for their country in front of millions and volunteer to take a penalty in a shootout should be cherished.
Italian football thugs are way worse than what we have over here.
Italian racism is also a lot worse than in the UK. It’s not just sections, it’s ingrained.
Well done England, you lost the football but you won the 'being a bit less violent and racist'.
Didn’t watch the first 90 minutes (I’m neither English nor Italian) but saw the tail end with my 15 year old.
He’s a keen cyclist, GCN race pass as a spectator, rides some races, road, cross, track, Mtb, but this was the first time he’d watched a football match.
I only watched the 90 mins and the penalty, during the extra time I just switched to youtube to
watch Nordic or pole walking. Can't bear to watch after 90 mins.
All teams are hard to play in the final as they don't get to the final without being brilliant. Both team are very good IMO but the winner will always have a slight edge over the runner up. It is a matter of who makes the less errors.
Grealish rolling about in agony after the challenge that got the Italian booking got compared to Thomas having his shoulder popped back in and riding on.
Grealish played on, didn't he? And if we're going to discuss sporting ethics, professional cycling is an interesting choice...
Anyway, I thought the team did themselves proud. Maybe they can find another country to play for, who might appreciate them more.
Yeah Grealish's injury was genuine - full on studs to the soft tissue - that's going to sting like hell. But yeah he played on.
the winner will always have a slight edge over the runner up
Insightful, cheers.
Not all people are x is a plain statement that says some are and some are not without any quantification.
Unfortunately mate this is not what everyone reads into it. You are oblivious of the meta-meaning of these words. I have made the same mistake many times, I'm just trying to pass on some experience and insight.
Its a bit bloody rich condemning racist behaviour this morning when you yourself were opportunistically fanning it only a few short weeks ago
The hypocrisy of these shysters is unbelievable. They’re utterly shameless. Is it any wonder that this disgusting behaviour continues when its getting the tacit nod from our own bloody government?
And this, honestly, is why I didn't want the England team to win. The braying, belligerent, INGERLAND, bullshit would have been f___ing unbearable. This country is getting uglier by the day, and I don't want to give the increasing number of small-minded, insular, knuckle-draggers anything to 'celebrate'.
On a lighter note, from a post on the work's intranet:
re: Rashford - it must be very hard maintaining two roles as a professional footballer and being leader of the opposition, so the pressure was bound to get to him eventually
🙂
Utter utter nonsense and its not my fault if a clear statement is deliberately misinterpreted to back someone else agenda
Not all people are x is a plain statement that says some are and some are not without any quantification.
No TJ, that turn of phrase has a very obvious inference, I actually wrote the same as Molgrips but the forum hamsters ate my reply and logged me out.
English fans won’t step up and sacrifice anything to sort out “their game”. Really want to stop thugs and racism then sort it out, don’t just play lip service to it or pretend you can’t do anything about it. If you have the ability to go to a match then you have the power to make a difference.
Make the weeding easy for authorities.
Boycott clubs that the behaviour is happening, when the money stops flowing the organisations will have to step up. Give the scum nowhere to hide isn’t a hard task.Saying yeah but the other teams fans are worse is part of the problem.
Which is it?
And realistically you average working-middle class family of four on a day out to Wembley football fans aren't going to sort out football hooliganism are they.
Unfortunately mate this is not what everyone reads into it.
This.
Yep, I think I proved I’m no good as a watcher of football. Don’t mind playing it occasionally though at my age not so much these days.
That said I have been impressed with how this England squad have conducted themselves outside the 90 minutes over the last year. Not something you could always say, and they should be commended for that.
On a lighter note, from a post on the work’s intranet:
re: Rashford – it must be very hard maintaining two roles as a professional footballer and being leader of the opposition, so the pressure was bound to get to him eventually
Bit OT, but I can't see writing political stuff on work intranet as a very smart career move 🙂
That said, a volunteer is best and those guys that stepped forward did a great job.
Absolutely this, what a massively brave thing to do. These guys played brilliantly for the most part, for it to go all the way to penalties is a shame, but these guys should walk away with their heads held high.
for it to go all the way to penalties is a shame
But a penalty shoot out is the best bit of a football game. It’s the fun bit. And I really genuinely mean that - it’s not a troll.
But I accept others will almost definitely disagree.
Note - see also my earlier comment on not being a good watcher of football.
Which is it?
And realistically you average working-middle class family of four on a day out to Wembley football fans aren’t going to sort out football hooliganism are they.
There you go, pretend that it's not possible to deal with it. They are the ones spending money on going to the matches, buying the tat, putting bets on, ignoring the poor behaviour.
There are many ways that it can be dealt with. But saying there is nothing I can do if you pay in to the machine isn't one of them.
The comparison with cycling would only be valid if play acting an injury on the bike gained an advantage. Cant see it'd do anything other than just leave you several kilometres behind the peleton.
And this, honestly, is why I didn’t want the England team to win. The braying, belligerent, INGERLAND, bullshit would have been f___ing unbearable. This country is getting uglier by the day, and I don’t want to give the increasing number of small-minded, insular, knuckle-draggers anything to ‘celebrate’.
Which is a ****ing tragedy for the majority of us who support the team and want them to win, but fear being lumped in with the knuckledraggers.
There you go, pretend that it’s not possible to deal with it. They are the ones spending money on going to the matches, buying the tat, putting bets on, ignoring the poor behaviour.
There are many ways that it can be dealt with. But saying there is nothing I can do if you pay in to the machine isn’t one of them.
So other than chastising everyone, what are you doing?
For me I did want the team to win remarkable they way they present themselves. On the same time I didn’t because I didn’t want to listen to the media go on about it for another 50 years.
The interesting bit for me was my son going from not minding to much about the English team at the start of the tournament to outright wanting them to lose.
The reason for this is the racism he experienced on Wednesday night while leaving Wembley. He is half Danish and went to watch the game with his Mum. When they were leaving he was subjected to a load of racist abuse towards him and his mum.
Being white and blond he hasn’t experienced that before his mother explained that this is what some of his friends have to put up. the whole experience really put him off supporting England.
To add to this danish people generally support England when it’s not against Denmark. But there were loads of racist events after the match aimed towards danish supporters. These were reported in the danish media which shifted danish support towards Italy.
Which is a **** tragedy for the majority of us who support the team and want them to win, but fear being lumped in with the knuckledraggers.
Agreed, and, indeed, for the team themselves, and especially the manager, who all, whilst being outclassed in the final, played well through the tournament and showed all the qualities of respect, tolerance and grace that are so badly lacking in the country they are being asked to represent.
The interesting bit for me was my son going from not minding to much about the English team at the start of the tournament to outright wanting them to lose.
The reason for this is the racism he experienced on Wednesday night while leaving Wembley. He is half Danish and went to watch the game with his Mum. When they were leaving he was subjected to a load of racist abuse towards him and his mum.
Being white and blond he hasn’t experienced that before his mother explained that this is what some of his friends have to put up. the whole experience really put him off supporting England.
I rest my case. This f___ing country.
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‘Grealish rolling about in agony after the challenge that got the Italian booking got compared to Thomas having his shoulder popped back in and riding on.’
I didn’t see Thomas getting his shoulder back in . When he was on the ground I assume from your comment he showed no signs of suffering, no wincing, didn’t complain and continued chatting in a light hearted way with the crowd till giving a friendly smile while his shoulder was relocated, no painkillers being taken at any point.
I always find ‘my sport is more manly’ competitions a bit sad. I’m sure if you got a good kick in the ‘essentials’ you’d have something to say on the matter.
haha. I was trying to find something to say but this sums it up. Clearly OP has yet to experience either dislocating a shoulder or studs to the knee and then getting on with it.
Fairly dismayed at some of the behaviour yesterday but then it's no surprise. Large section of football supporters are mugs. Going to a game is horrendous.
It was a good effort last night but that early goal for us was perhaps our downfall as we decided to sit back and invite the Italians on. for 90 minutes.
Can't blame the penalty takers but wondered why the senior players didnt step up. was not sure why Southgate made those subs either. Walker and Henderson would have stood as good a chance.
Bravo for stepping up to all of them. Huge responsibility and pressure. Amazing.
I was also expecting a some antics from Chillieni at the coin toss like he did with spain. I was disappointed
Gary Neville telling it like it is, once again
https://twitter.com/AyoCaesar/status/1414497666340372482?s=20
Where were the police?
I know there were probably a few off duty ones amongst the hooligans but I mean the actual police? There had been warnings of trouble at the Denmark game, I coulď see the potential for trouble sitting on (hiding behind) my sofa in Manchester. Cresida Dick obviously couldn't sat on her arse in Scotland Yard.
These are the thugs that Boris tweeted out to 10 times on the day of the BLM protest to come and 'protect' Churchill's statue (that Sidique Khan had thoughtfully protected by boarding it up).
I guess they were too busy doing stop and search...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-57765013
Which is a **** tragedy for the majority of us who support the team and want them to win, but fear being lumped in with the knuckledraggers.
Same applies to the country itself on the international stage, I'm afraid.
Two cheeks of the same arse.
Large section of football supporters are mugs. Going to a game is horrendous.
It really isn't. I've been going to matches for decades and I have only ever experienced racist hooliganism once.
Guess where?
At Wembley for an Engerland match
You simply haven't had this kind of nonsense at club level for decades. It's something to do with the 'fans' that the national team attracts. Its a totally toxic 'culture' around the Engerland set up, and they are now emboldened by the present culture of toxic nationalism that have got the nod from those in government to suit there agenda
I can only see it getting worse too.
I do find it a terrible shame that this decent bunch of footballers and a thoughtful manager are so disliked up here ( and all over europe) because of the antics of English politicians, media and their so called “fans” and the xenophobic jingoism that those politicians, media and “fans” follow
It's got nothing to do with English politicians. A proportion of Scottish fans have hated England for as long as I've been alive. Some because of the media, some because of the fans, and some because they are small minded bigots with a chip on their shoulder
For once can we please not bring the Tory government into a thread ffs..
agree. It attracts all of the mugs from each club so you end up with the lot of them.
I've spent enough time at games to see the interactions between different sets of fans. I'd prefer not to sit near them but our friends always chooses seats near the away support. hate it.
Clearly OP has yet to experience either dislocating a shoulder or studs to the knee and then getting on with it.
If it helps, never dislocated a shoulder, but in 25 years of rugby, I had studs to the knee, back, face, you name it. I got on with it.
But it was my son’s comment not mine.
My comment would have been around his miraculous recovery as soon as the Italian was booked. Not that he’s not hard, but that he was deliberately trying to get someone else in trouble. But I didn’t say that.
For once can we please not bring the Tory government into a thread ffs..
Why should they be absolved of responsibility?
Gary Neville is bang on with what he's said this morning. Boris Johnson and those around him like Priti Patel have facilitated this. They attacked the BLM movement as marxist terrorists and said it was the fans 'right to freedom of expression' to boo the England players when they took the knee. They gave them the nod.
You can't legitimise booing an expression of racial equality and then try and separate yourself from the resulting racism. Its the same thing!
For once can we please not bring the Tory government into a thread ffs..
Well, they themselves are pretty keen to be in on any Engerland success, so they set the tone.
For once can we please not bring the Tory government into a thread ffs..
Just to be clear, I'll happily include BoJo in with those I referred to as small-minded, insular, knuckle-draggers.
The only way to separate it would be to start a second thread concentrating only on the yobbishness.
Here's our dear leader condoning physical assault.
So long as it is done to the 'right' people for the 'right' reasons it is OK, yes?
You simply haven’t had this kind of nonsense at club level for decades.
Are you quite sure of that?...
It's better than it was but I can assure you it's still happening. I've seen adult, affluent, middle class men hurl racist abuse & offer opposing fans out for a fight just 'cos.
I gave up my season ticket about 3 yrs ago because the behaviour was so abhorrent. Funny thing is though, I've sat next to opposing fans at rugby games & not experienced any grief. At all.
Just to be clear, I’ll happily include BoJo in with those I referred to as small-minded, insular, knuckle-draggers.
He'll pretend to be whatever he needs to be to get out of a corner or garner some support. He is a cynical, lying fraud. No more no less.
"Just to be clear, I’ll happily include BoJo in with those I referred to as small-minded, insular, knuckle-draggers."
Just to be clear, I'll sadly include every conservative member of parliament in with the small-minded, insular knuckle daggers.
The only conservatives I've heard question the policy of starting a culture war have either left the party or are sitting in the House of Lord's (Mathew Parris and Ed Vaisey).
So other than chastising everyone, what are you doing?
I don't normally have anything to do with the sport, wife wanted to watch it last night and I was surprised by the behaviour.
I've simply come this thread and seen that my thoughts of why I've always avoid it are still true.
I'm sure Johnson was supporting the penalty-taking picaninnies with their watermelon smiles.
It really isn’t. I’ve been going to matches for decades and I have only ever experienced racist hooliganism once.
Guess where?
I'm a very irregular attendee, but the only racist abuse I've seen was the England v Mexico friendly at Pride Park many years ago. Jeez.
Where were the police?
I know there were probably a few off duty ones amongst the hooligans but I mean the actual police? There had been warnings of trouble at the Denmark game, I coulď see the potential for trouble sitting on (hiding behind) my sofa in Manchester. Cresida Dick obviously couldn’t sat on her arse in Scotland Yard.
They were waiting for them to peacefully protest - that's when they go in. Not when it's actual trouble.
We live amongst scum - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-57803161
We live amongst scum –
No, I think scum live amongst us, and we need to keep some perspective that it is a (sadly increasingly confident) minority rather than any sort of societal norm.
As people don't want to talk about the football, how about talking about the actual football?
Great stuff from Matt Parker