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He was only on for few minutes … what a gamble.
he had three choices though:
- bring on the penalty takers early, weakening the defence; risk another goal in extra time and not making it to penalties. The fans would crucify him for giving up early and trying to win a penalty shoot out they hadn't yet reached rather than win the match.
- leave them on the bench to maximise chance of winning before the end of extra time. Some defender misses a penalty and the fans would crucify him for not subbing the penalty takers on.
- leave it as late as possible and sub them just before the penalties - then the fans crucify him for not getting them on earlier to get used to the ball/grass/crowd.
I think we can conclude from this that the one job nobody in the country nobody would actually want is being England manager, despite millions of people shouting at their tellys pretending they are actually the manager.
At 3 million a year there is some incentive.
It's gone to Rome
It's gone to Rome
Football's gone to Rome
It's gone to Rome
It's gone to Rome
The danger of pre-emptive songs.
Racist abuse of England players Marcus Rashford, Jadon Sancho & Bukayo Saka condemned by FA
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57800431
Having watched some of the pre & post match spectator footage I can’t see us hosting another major tournament in my lifetime. Truly horrendous behaviour. What a bunch of morons.
Consider me totally indifferent. It’s just a sodding game, nobody died. 🙄
FA condemns racist abuse of England players on social media after Euro final
I do find it a terrible shame that this decent bunch of footballers and a thoughtful manager are so disliked up here ( and all over europe) because of the antics of English politicians, media and their so called "fans" and the xenophobic jingoism that those politicians, media and "fans" follow
I have put "fans" in inverted commas because I know not all are like that but by 'eck is really really annoying
I'm not sure England currently deserve their football team.
I'm not sure that's true TJ. I have a lot of respect for the England team and the stance they've taken against the racists. Imagine being those players that missed penalties and they're not just kicking themselves for missing but thinking about the abuse they're going to get on social media.
Thats sort of my point steven. Its the antics of the politicians media and "fans" that get the england football team hated so much. Its not what the players have done. Some of us like yo can disassociate the two but many cannot
Its stuff like the preview in the guardian that started off talking about 1966. Get over it - thats more than 50 years ago
Consider me totally indifferent. It’s just a sodding game, nobody died. 🙄
I get that, and I have the utmost sympathy for those whose loved ones have died.
But no-one condemned the dusty in here posters when some bloke we've never met managed to ride his bike marginally faster than some other blokes - which was no great surprise anyway as he's consistently shown he can do that 30-odd times before. And I include myself in the lump in the throat brigade.
Because it's not life and death but there is something about it that defies logic, of course it's not important, apart from the fact that it really is totally important in a way that can't be explained. If you don't 'get it' and can be really dispassionate about it then I envy you today because you aren't feeling as low as those that do. But would I swap it for those moments when you dare to dream, or the feeling when the front man pulls off and a streak of green truly becomes the GOAT. Nope, today is the price you pay for the dust.
I’m not sure England currently deserve their football team.
This + 1
Honestly - the state of Trafalgar Square and London this morning was utterly, utterly vile. Christ only knows what it was like straight after everyone had gone home but at 5:30am today it was too disgusting for words. Piles of glass, vomit, trash, beer cans etc - all along the front of the National they'd had great fun destroying the bushes and lawns - the destruction carried all the way across the square and the poor street teams were still struggling up through St James area.
The whole lot can get in the f*cking bin. The team is a shining beacon next to the sorry bunch of flag-shagging idiots.
Urgh. I despair.
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Its really weird how wound up we get about sport. I actually get adrenaline shakes watching Edinburgh and Scotland play rugby! totally disproportionate response
Well has BoJo says of the racist abuse of England players after their defeat to Italy in the final, saying those responsible should be "ashamed of themselves".
Just ashamed? Why not come out and say they will be prosecuted? Or is it too much for a racist to condemn other racists
How long before a tory politician blames the team for being too “woke” or too brown?
There will have been memes circulating highlighting the skin colour mix of those who scored their penalties and those who missed within about five seconds of Saka missing. The worrying thing is that more people will give that sort of stuff credence than ten years ago.
Bruneep - the abuse that Johnson started and encouraged?
Well that'll make them feel a whole load worse about themselves, being told to feel ashamed by a man with no sense of shame.
@TJ. I know. Totally irrational.
But when people say 'it's just a game' - of course they're right but if you don't recognise how much it means to some people then telling us it's only a game and to get over it denies allowing us to be who we are.
Just say 'I don't get it, but I know you must be heartbroken this morning. I'm sorry you feel that way'.
Hopefully this multi-country tournament format gets in the sea, ridiculous that Scotland, England etc had home games, while the Welsh amongst other countries were planes, trains and automobiles.
I don't think the concept is bad if they were reasonably close together in neighbouring countries, it's the fact that there were games in Baku (the most ridiculous one), London, Rome, Budapest etc
I know not all are like that
Mate, that makes it sound like most fans are arseholes with just a few decent folk. When really it's the other way round.
Glad England lost, the country didn't deserve the win.
If most fans are good decent then why haven't they sorted out the arseholes. Because they refuse to sacrifice to stop the rot.
If most fans are good decent then why haven’t they sorted out the arseholes.
The kind of people who abuse Danish families and point laser pointers at players don't care what 'decent' fans think. In fact they probably relish winding them up and take a weird pride in being so loathed. Football doesn't exist in a vacuum though and it's as much a society problem as a football problem.
25 or more years ago the scotland fans had an equally bad reputation as the england ones. somehow they became self policing and if a scotland fan starts misbehaving then other fans will stop them.
Welshman and really like this England team. Sad for the players. Racist/ thug like bell end fans can all **** off.
Italy also have their share of racist thug like bell end fans.
I’m not sure England currently deserve their football team.
+1.
The kind of people who abuse Danish families and point laser pointers at players don’t care what ‘decent’ fans think. In fact they probably relish winding them up and take a weird pride in being so loathed.
Indeed - most likely relishing in the infamy.
@rseholes basically.
Italy also have their share of racist thug like bell end fans.
Italian football thugs are way worse than what we have over here.
Italian racism is also a lot worse than in the UK. It's not just sections, it's ingrained.
Meh, you get this after every tournament, the fact is if England had managed a counter after being 1-0 up and went 2-0 up it would have been a great day for England, it didn't Italy didn't sink, they worked well into the counter attacking style England set up, they didn't tire either, it's all if's and but's now. At the end of the game i was thinking Southgate was more Mourinho than Mourinho in this game, but to be fair, after going 1-0 up so early it was a strategy that could have worked.
Penalty wise, i just look at Donnarumma and think 'i have to send him the wrong way or hit the corner', he's a massive goalie, after they got through the previous penalty shootout as well they had that little bit of experience as well, remember they missed two penalties as well, and they'd subbed their front 3 attackers during the game.
End of the day though, Italy played better, not sure whether pressure got to England, Kane wasn't given anything by Chiellini and Bonnuci, but Sterling and Mount never took advantage of their focus on Kane, thought Rice and Phillips did well enough in the middle, but neither of them really pick a pass that much, they're runners and like to move and pass.
They just need to build on this though, coming from a Scotsman i didn't get any joy from seeing England fail, but can't really rip them apart, it was a final and a youngish team.
I do find it a terrible shame that this decent bunch of footballers and a thoughtful manager are so disliked up here ( and all over europe) because of the antics of English politicians, media and their so called “fans” and the xenophobic jingoism that those politicians, media and “fans” follow
You might want to look at your own comments and reactions before criticising people who lump all the English in together?
25 or more years ago the scotland fans had an equally bad reputation as the england ones.
Rubbish.
I'm 46, all through my childhood as a fitba fan, England fans were awful, to be quite honest they're nowhere near as bad as they were in the 80's and early 90's, as far as Scotland fans go, I don't ever recall a hooligan elememt at any of our matches, drunken tomfoolery absolutely, but casuals and all that jazz? not a bit of it.
And how does that comment lump all the english together? I even said " not all fans are like this"
Italian football thugs are way worse than what we have over here.
Italian racism is also a lot worse than in the UK. It’s not just sections, it’s ingrained.
I agree. Is it relevant though?
Does this absolve us from having to worry about our own version?
Presumably the Asian man who was being violently kicked and abused whilst he lay on the ground was an England fan too. Most England yobs probably admire their Italian counterparts.
The tacit encouragement from populist politicians does not help.
So they morning after. I'm embarrassed by the behaviour of some idiots.
As for the game, England played decent football bit not their best, Italy were better on the night. I was surprised and frustrated that sterling didn't take a spot kick and grealish. Doesn't grealish take them for villa? That said, a volunteer is best and those guys that stepped forward did a great job.
I feel sorry for the team, their disappointment must be more then any we feel. I think that's 5 finals Harry Kane has played and lost now (4 for spurs). Poor guy.
I even said ” not all fans are like this”
Ok so you've often said you struggle to understand how other people think. Here's the thing: When you say 'not all people are X' it implies that the majority are X but only a few aren't. I know that there's nothing in the actual sentence that says that, however that's how everyone else is going to interpret it.
NB they are not beating up Italians there but people breaking in to Wembley without tickets. Horrible behaviour anyway.
Thanks for putting me straight on that. They’ve corrected the video title now also
English fans won't step up and sacrifice anything to sort out "their game". Really want to stop thugs and racism then sort it out, don't just play lip service to it or pretend you can't do anything about it. If you have the ability to go to a match then you have the power to make a difference.
Make the weeding easy for authorities.
Boycott clubs that the behaviour is happening, when the money stops flowing the organisations will have to step up. Give the scum nowhere to hide isn't a hard task.
Saying yeah but the other teams fans are worse is part of the problem.
Didn’t watch the first 90 minutes (I’m neither English nor Italian) but saw the tail end with my 15 year old.
He’s a keen cyclist, GCN race pass as a spectator, rides some races, road, cross, track, Mtb, but this was the first time he’d watched a football match.
Two interesting comments.
Grealish rolling about in agony after the challenge that got the Italian booking got compared to Thomas having his shoulder popped back in and riding on.
He was also shocked by the fans booing to try and put the opposition off - unsportsmanlike, a bit silly and ineffective.
Me? I though goalkeepers were meant to stay still until the ball was struck. Perhaps not, but otherwise there would have been a lot of retaken penalties and possibly a booking for at least one of the keepers.
Me? I though goalkeepers were meant to stay still until the ball was struck.
The law was changed years ago.
'Grealish rolling about in agony after the challenge that got the Italian booking got compared to Thomas having his shoulder popped back in and riding on.'
I didn't see Thomas getting his shoulder back in . When he was on the ground I assume from your comment he showed no signs of suffering, no wincing, didn't complain and continued chatting in a light hearted way with the crowd till giving a friendly smile while his shoulder was relocated, no painkillers being taken at any point.
I always find 'my sport is more manly' competitions a bit sad. I'm sure if you got a good kick in the 'essentials' you'd have something to say on the matter.
I was just about to make the point that Marina Hyde has
Its a bit bloody rich condemning racist behaviour this morning when you yourself were opportunistically fanning it only a few short weeks ago
The hypocrisy of these shysters is unbelievable. They're utterly shameless. Is it any wonder that this disgusting behaviour continues when its getting the tacit nod from our own bloody government?
Ok so you’ve often said you struggle to understand how other people think. Here’s the thing: When you say ‘not all people are X’ it implies that the majority are X but only a few aren’t. I know that there’s nothing in the actual sentence that says that, however that’s how everyone else is going to interpret it.
Utter utter nonsense and its not my fault if a clear statement is deliberately misinterpreted to back someone else agenda
Not all people are x is a plain statement that says some are and some are not without any quantification.