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@nobeerinthefridge I'm glad it's only England who boo national anthems, get xenophobic about cheating foreigners, and are hypocritical about diving.
Oh no wait....
An apology from the Scottish Football Association over the booing of the Lithuanian national anthem was last night met with a response which accused Garry O'Connor of being equally guilty of diving as Saulius Mikoliunas.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/default_content/12448157.lithuania-hit-back-row-mikoliunas/
😛
I never said anything about booing national anthems, doesn't really bother me tbh, as they're pointless anyway.
Yes, Scottish footballers dive too, 100%! But I wasn't having a hissy fit at the Italians, that was you lot! 🤣
I did feel England seemed a bit nervous (or over hyped maybe) in the first half we didn't seem to calm down until Denmark scored. We then settled down a bit and started to build the attacks again like we had in the previous games.
I was really impressed by the way England played in the last 20-25 of normal time and also first half of ET. They really went after it against a team that was getting everyone behind the ball and created plenty of good chances that against another keeper would probably have seen them win comfortably.
England in that last 5 mins of ET were fantastic though. Really good to see how they killed off the game; there was none of that hoof the ball down the pitch and try and defend the next attack, we just kept the ball with some great passing.
It would be fantastic if they can finish this off against Italy, but whatever the result it's clear to see the progress that's been made under Southgate.
I'm nights on Sunday. It's going to be grim.
But I wasn’t having a hissy fit at the Italians, that was you lot!
Of course it's hypocritical, but there seems to be an idea amongst some that it's only England fans who are one-eyed/hypocritical about stuff like this.
but whatever the result it’s clear to see the progress that’s been made under Southgate.
Absolutely, he's done quite a job.
BTW how bloody good is Kasper Schmeichel?!
I really have given up on football - I used to go to games regularly but all the diving ruined the game for me
I really really do not want england to win - not because of " anyone but england" but because of all the jingoism and flag waving that will ensue if they do win.
BTW how bloody good is Kasper Schmeichel?!
TBF, Pickfords save was fab as well...
because of all the jingoism and flag waving that will ensue if they do win.
That's the great thing about supporting England from Wales 🙂
I really really do not want england to win – not because of ” anyone but england” but because of all the jingoism and flag waving that will ensue if they do win.
That'll happen whoever wins old chap. It's a tournament for national teams.
That’ll happen whoever wins old chap. It’s a tournament for national teams.
Italian nationalism is fine. Oh, and so is Scottish nationalism. Basically anything but English nationalism. But, to be clear, its not "anyone but England". 🙂
If we can't celebrate the (few) genuine modern English success stories, we will forever be governed by swivel eyed jingoism celebrating Empire and slavery etc....
Its because the tories and the hard right will use it as an excuse to go on a display of nationalism - and english nationalism is a nasty regressive force.
TBF, Pickfords save was fab as well..
He had a few moments with his kicking but overall pretty solid. Still unbeaten from open play, just one worldy of a free kick
and english nationalism is a nasty regressive force.
All nationalism is a nasty regressive force and should be resisted.
which one? The one I remember as being more than routine was offside?
Anyway, at TJ and the others that feel the same way. From the heart, that's your opinion but in doing so, you deny me, and millions like me who love football, love our teams, and love the national team, the chance to celebrate, because of the vocal minority of idiots. I've never been jingoistic, or booed another countries anthem, when I've been at games and it's happened I've been one of the one's shushing the idiots. I don't have a SGC on my car or house, much as I'd love to reclaim it from the idiots, because of what you'd think of me for doing it.
But more than that, do you think people like Sterling, who was booed by racists after the Daily Mail ran a story about how he'd spent his big salary on bling while good white boy Ben Foden bought a house for his mum. Rashford who's held this PM to account more than any politician of recent times. Southgate who seems to be about as decent a human being as you can get. He let Roy Keane stand on his chest and still counts him as a friend and ex-colleague. You'd deny them because of the jingoists?
I get if you don't like football, or are Scottish, that you aren't bothered or actively think anyone but. I can understand that. But not the other way - by not letting decent people enjoy their moment, because a few idiots also will enjoy it - you're letting them win by doing that.
I wasn't alive in 66 but my Dad reckons it was one of his best days ever. He took me to crap second and third division Reading games as a kid, and to my first England game. I never thought I'd get the chance to have the chance like this with him, even though it'll be by phone because with the virus running wild, two kids and a wife in schools, and my Mum being extremely high risk i won't travel over there for it. But I'll phone him in a bit and tell him not to bother because we're being lumped in with some people that all his life he has rejected and hated.
I'm conflicted about this. If England win we will never hear the end of it, how often does 1966 get mentioned?
On the other hand, there are millions of genuine fans out there that really care and are not thugs or xenophobes. If England do win can it be a worldy from Sterling? If anyone deserves a break from the gobshites in the right wing press it's him. He's quietly been the star player for England all tournament anyway.
PS did anyone else think Mount had a quiet game and should have subbed much earlier?
Its a good point theotherjonv and I do not know the answer to it.
Its a shame that a minority will spoil it for others but to me and a lot of folk the jingoism and flag effing that will go on is just plainly nasty.
so let's try to address that directly rather than throw the baby out too.
It's going to happen, it's written in the stars. You can keep your octopii, and Mrs Binners. I had Cheerios for breakfast, and as I stared in the bowl and read the reports from last night, it came to me.
What are Cheerios, other than little o's? Or zeroes if you will. Zero, is another word for nothing. And Cheerio is Italian for 'goodbye' (I think. Isn't ciao a direct contraction of cheerio or something?)
So there you have it, it's written in the fortified wholegrain. We shall be sending Italy home with nothing on Sunday night. My breakfast said so. Scoreline. 3 to 1
Yours, Ted
I think the free kick was saveable. Pickford didn't take off right (maybe had to change direction), ended up going for it with his lower (right) hand when he should have got in a position to reach up with his upper, left hand.
I really really do not want england to win – not because of ” anyone but england” but because of all the jingoism and flag waving that will ensue if they do win.
Troll - lol
I’m conflicted about this. If England win we will never hear the end of it, how often does 1966 get mentioned?
That's a good thing because I truly hope England will win and it's time to win too.
It is a team effort and regardless of who the players are if they play like a team they will win. But need to run the defenders or into the penalty box more to create panic for the other team.
As for flag waving etc ... nahhh ... just do as you wish coz life is too short.
My neighbour has St George flags all over their front garden.
Oh for the first time I watched the repeat of match again last night which I normally don't. LOL!
@tj - not everyone with a St George's flag is what you think they are in the same way that not everyone waving a Saltire is a pissed-up, pasty white ginger moron with plans of invading Carlisle. It's never that simple
As a non-football follower in general (I'll keep a check on progress during the Euro's or World Cup but nothing more) I can sympathise with both sides of the jingoistic stuff.
Genuine fans that have stuck with their national team through thick and thin and are aware of when their team is poor or being over-hyped are absolutely fine. They can be realistic about the chances of winning a tournament and are generally fine to talk to about football and other stuff too.
Then you have the supporters that think their team is the second coming and can do no wrong. The ones who give all football fans a bad name, cover their cars and houses in 'their' flag and in general have nothing other to talk about than football. It can genuinely be the only thing that they seemingly care about in their lives. These are the fans that will become totally unbearable even if England lose, let alone win. These are the type that Boris will be jingoistic to, that worship Farage and destroy the reputation of travelling fans worldwide.
It would be great to have some sporting success to celebrate, especially as the team seem to be on the whole decent people, but it will be completely hijacked by the Brexit and gammony side of our country which will not only taint it for the true fans but for everyone else, especially other countries looking in.
To all the true fans: enjoy the final regardless of the result.
To all the other fans: it's only a game.
Pickford has been lucky.
He's mentally weak.
Always blaming his defence when things go wrong.
He nearly blew it big time last night.
I have a horrible feeling he's going to blow it in the final.
It's not nasty, Mr V is spot on, it's not toxic, it's just that some folk see it as toxic.
Spot on otherjonv, even as a proud Scot, I'm very impressed with Southgate, he's finally got England playing the way they should play, not afraid to play younger, hungrier players, beacuse they fit into his system.
**** me, if Scotland got to this stage, our commentators would be a bloody nightmare, we got a draw against this lot and had ourselves down as world champions (again!) 🙂
I know that elshalimo
But its the display of jingoism that the others create that is unpleasant to me and a lot of other folk
To all the true fans: enjoy the final regardless of the result.
To all the other fans: it’s only a game.
To everyone be yourself regardless, you are who you are good or bad. Life is too short.
I have a horrible feeling he’s going to blow it in the final.
Cannot blame him alone as it is a team effort.
Its a shame that a minority will spoil it for others but to me and a lot of folk the jingoism and flag effing that will go on is just plainly nasty.
It worries me that such a thoughtful and intelligent man with genuine good intentions has allowed his view on this issue to ve so dominated by a vocal minority that the majority of England fans, like theotherjonv says, are too scared to show support for the national team. It's as though bigotry (for the wrong reasons) has generated a counter-bigotry (for understandable reasons)
Though I quite like ElShalimos take on it 😄
But its the display of jingoism
Which Country celebrates winning the World Cup, Copa America or the Euros, without showing some jingoism or nationalism?
If England do mange to win this, how would you like the celebrations to go?
What is acceptable?
With the talk of jingoism etc, can we just take a moment for the wisdom of Gary Neville...
https://twitter.com/campbellclaret/status/1412890035142152193?s=20
Mrs Binners has not yet been replaced by an octopus, and is ambivalent about her call last night, as she's still got as many right as I've got wrong and is well up overall, as always.
christ, now I need to shower again......
Not just football, plenty of jingoism in rugby. Watched the 2003 world cup final in an expat pub in Germany and it felt like a klan meeting.
I think it's fair to say England do/have had a particularly toxic fan base, with all the violence etc, but it is annoying when other countries seem to suggest it's only England that are the problem.
I lived in Scotland and have family from there - my Scottish pals love to define themselves as being more liberal/tolerant/nicer/less nationalist than English folk. As a very broad brush stroke it might be true but you can see the inherent problem in making such generalisations.
Dare we dream? Maybe it can happen!
I thought they looked good but nerves were causing errors. Sterling had been superb. I think I preferred the formation against Ukraine with Sancho sterling and Kane but Italy are a different team again so... Trust in Gareth to choose 11 for the game and good luck to the whole team.
I'm not sure that Southgate's strategy will work against a disciplined Italian defence. He usually plays safe up to 70 mins then adds the more creative players to stretch an already tired defence.
They will be wise to this so he'll need plan B
Aye, and folk can say Chiellini is old, and maybe Bonucci too, but they ooze defensive class, passion and heart. I heard some fellow Scotland fans say earlier in the tournament that Modric is too old.
Behave.
Aye, and folk can say Chiellini is old, and maybe Bonucci too, but they ooze defensive class, passion and heart.
That is why someone has to run against them to frustrate them. Chiellini is a bit like Tony Adams ... LOL!
Maguire has been great but he needs to calm down a bit. He's always yelling at Pickford and I think it puts the jitters up the whole defence.
Goalies yell at defenders all the time. It's a thing, even if the goalie is at fault themselves and shouting just to get their mistake out of their minds.
Defenders yelling at goalkeepers is s not a good thing. Pickford was much more composed before Harry came back into the team.
You don't half talk dung chewkw.
Lets be brutally honest, if Scotland were in the final we'd be just as unbearable. Many Scots try to justify why they don't want England to win, but, hen you cut through the crap, there is usually a fair amount of jealousy involved
I know very little about football, but it is good when something positive can unite (most) of the country. I want to be proud to be English and put out a flag, but I feel I will be tarnished as right-wing - I hate the Tories, voted against Brexit but feel sad that I can't show allegiance to the team as the flag and its imagery have been hijacked by the right-wing. That makes me sad.
If England win it will be a pub quiz favourite in 40 years time "In what year did England win Euro 2020?"