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I think if you have a George's cross out right now, people won't think it's because you're a fan of Tommy Robinson.
England were the better side, soft penalty notwithstanding they deserved the win. The had Denmark on the ropes for most of the 2nd half and all of ET.
I hope they win, its a sorry state of affairs if we can't support another home nation ahead of Italy. England's manager is a class act and they have some excellent players.
not everyone waving a Saltire is a pissed-up, pasty white ginger moron with plans of invading Carlisle. It’s never that simple
How dare you call me ginger!
The knuckle draggers will only own this if we let them. This England team have done more to hold the government to account than the official opposition. They have taken a risk in standing up to prejudice and promoted an idea of national identity that is rooted in togetherness.
Their stance prompted the government to target them in their ongoing culture war (which has added to the pressure on the team and makes their success thus far all the more admirable). Though I agreed with Gary Neville's coments I thought he might have gone in a bit two footed....
That was before I realised that Doris had the temerity to not only turn up to the game in person but also had the gall to squeese himself into an England shirt (thus making himself look like offal in a condom).
Then to add insult to injury he dessecrates the number 10 (now made sacred by Raheem Sterling) by placing his own name above it. I can't criticise Neville for showing his studs, I can only commend him for not giving it the full Cantona.
"How dare you call me ginger!"
But can we still call you a pissed up moron who wants to invade Carlisle?
its a sorry state of affairs if we can’t support another home nation ahead of Italy
That's just silly. Do ManU fans shout on Citeh in the CL final?. As I said earlier, and tpbiker too, we'd be every bit as unbearable if we were as good as England, I don't really care if they win or not, in the grand scheme of things, but support them? behave!.
Many Scots try to justify why they don’t want England to win, but, hen you cut through the crap, there is usually a fair amount of jealousy involved
Partly but it's mainly just tribalism ingrained since a young age - we don't like those lot over there, they're different to us, worse than us, etc. I never experienced any hostility living in Glasgow at all, but there are quite a few even 'woke' Scots with a deluded sense that they are always the good guys, and England are the evil colonial oppressors etc.
Again, an element of truth but far from the whole story. Lots of Scottish people were instrumental in colonialism and slavery etc of the British empire, and lots of lowland Scots were responsible for the clearances but it doesn't fit the narrative.
That was before I realised that Doris had the temerity to not only turn up to the game in person but also had the gall to squeese himself into an England shirt (thus making himself look like offal in a condom).
The hypocrisy is absolutely breathtaking, if entirely predictable.
On the run up to the tournament they were basically used for cheap shots in their culture war, slating them, calling them marxists and terrorist supporters, then when they start winning, we are treated to the absolutely nauseating sight of this...
https://twitter.com/pritipatel/status/1412892001767460873?s=20
Given her way, half the squad wouldn't be here as she'd have deported their parents
Ben Jennings nailed it in the Guardian...
https://twitter.com/BJennings90/status/1411760788918964226?s=20
I'm absolutely fine with those North of the border supporting Italy in the final, should be easy for the Celts amongst you and a great opportunity for the non Celts to virtue signal how much less prejudiced you are than the English by lending your support to the Papists!
Jesus wept.
I want to be proud to be English and put out a flag, but I feel I will be tarnished as right-wing – I hate the Tories, voted against Brexit but feel sad that I can’t show allegiance to the team as the flag and its imagery have been hijacked by the right-wing. That makes me sad.
Thats the point really - that and the tories hijacking it.
Its a sad state of affairs but its where we are
Many Scots try to justify why they don’t want England to win, but, hen you cut through the crap, there is usually a fair amount of jealousy involved
Not how I see it
To me its england is the big brother and everyone wants to beat their big brother.
Jesus wept.
Even Jesus hates England?
Possibly! Na, Jesus is pretty cool, he's not a hater, he's got long hair, a beard and that.
To me its england is the big brother and everyone wants to beat their big brother.
But you'd cheer on the kid from the next street that's beating your brother up?
You don’t half talk dung chewkw.
Yes, same with everyone not on the football pitch. i.e. not actually coaching/playing it at that level. Everyone is just sofa critics.
Could we just have a "Culture Wars" thread that I could avoid, so all the other threads don't get filled up with all this "woke snowflake vs gammon" bickering?
Also, could we borrow Denmark's 'keeper for the final?
Just sicked up at that Priti pic/post. Rotten as.
I used to really enjoy football. Went to matches and all sorts. These days I only really pay attention during major international tournaments and the more I watch the less impressed I am with the spectacle. It just seems to be 22 very well paid young men trying to cheat their way to victory. The ball goes out and everyone's hand goes up. Even the guy who knows full well that he was the last to touch the ball. If you can't get past your man with the ball you fall over and try to con the ref into giving you a free kick. That's expected and doesn't really draw criticism any more. Maybe I'm being overly romantic about the days when hard men kicked lumps out of each other on a Saturday afternoon, but I'm really finding it hard to care who wins and the guff that was coming from the commentators last night about how it would change my life and I should call in sick just made me more determined never to watch another game on ITV.
But Rashford has done some good things on child poverty, they've taken a stand on the knee thing that I can respect, Southgate appears to be a decent human being who has developed a system that works and having watched a few of the Italy games I can't see myself supporting them either. So come on England.
Also, could we borrow Denmark’s ‘keeper for the final?
Just listening to a podcast now with one of the stats nerds from OPTA saying according to a type of xg which measures how difficult chances should be to save, it was the best goalkeeping performance ever in a euro championships.
But its the display of jingoism that the others create that is unpleasant to me and a lot of other folk
Me too. So don't let it. Reclaim the game. Football is about more than fans who are ****ers.
Yes I mentioned the laser earlier in the thread. You could see it on the goalie during the penalty.
But Rashford has done some good things on child poverty, they’ve taken a stand on the knee thing that I can respect, Southgate appears to be a decent human being who has developed a system that works and having watched a few of the Italy games I can’t see myself supporting them either.
Don't really give attention to all the politics gesturing of the game.
If they play well they are good but if they play badly then they are shite.
At the end of the day they are judged by their performance.
If they win they are national treasures etc, but if they lose they are a pain.
Rashford is a national treasure. Even if he gives away a penalty that loses them the game, he’s still a national treasure. As is Sterling. As is Hendo. All players that have taken a stand in recent years have my support. I couldn’t care less what they do - they’ve all stood up and been counted and Sterling and Rashford have had to face countless incidences of racist abuse. I’m just picking these in particular - there are other examples I’m sure.
I’ve enjoyed that there’s been way less jingoism this tournament. There’s always going to be some - it’s unavoidable. But I think politicians and right wing rags are having to be very careful with trying to own this team. Because people like Sterling and Rashford will wipe the floor with them in front of their base. I also think Southgate holds himself very well. I thought when he got the job that he was lucky - but hey, I and countless others was wrong. Still probably neutral for the final - but I think England will do it.
Well done England! The best team won, although I think diving for winning penalty may come back to haunt them 😉
I really like Southgate, always have, ever since his penalty miss tbh. He just seems a nice genuine guy and really want him to do well.
The "national media" especially the BBC can get in the sea though! Radio has been turned off for the day here as it'll be utterly insufferable, it was bad enough yesterday!
Sure much as I despise ****s who shine lasers, Klassper saved that kick and nearly the rebound (watch how quick he gets up and goes the other way). Conversation would’ve been justifiably different if he hadn’t saved the initial shot.
I know very little about football, but it is good when something positive can unite (most) of the country. I want to be proud to be English and put out a flag, but I feel I will be tarnished as right-wing – I hate the Tories, voted against Brexit but feel sad that I can’t show allegiance to the team as the flag and its imagery have been hijacked by the right-wing. That makes me sad.
Cheer up, it is fine to have a flag out this week without people thinking you are some sort of tory ****er.
Just take it down soon after the match or maybe at half mast after England have lost.
Yes I mentioned the laser earlier in the thread. You could see it on the goalie during the penalty.
Earlier in the second half the Danes went to take a throw in in their right back position and the player recoiled and then called the ref over, who then went to the 4th official and gesticulated almost like signalling four in cricket, I speculated at the time:
I think they’re saying there’s some nob with a laser in the crowd.
Sounds like they didn't find him then.
You've got to feel for the right wing nationalists who fly the flag of St George as an emblem of identity because at the moment there's a danger for them that they'll be mistaken for 'woke, Marxist England supporters.'
What a flag represents is mutable. As art students we were taught as part of (marxist) critical theory that 'meaning is subject to context and use'. A bit like wot kerley says.
I know we should get back to talking about the fitba and how Sterling is probably the player of the tournament but to divorce the England team from what is happening in politics is naive. Imagine if England had gone out in the group stage, taking the knee would definitely be taking the blame.
The tories called a war on woke and chose the Euro's as a battleground and it's a battle they've lost. The England team have succeeded in reclaiming the flag for the moment, those that chose to show their patriotism by boo-ing can't really take the credit for, or the shine off the teams achievements. Unless we let them.
Should the team triumph on Sunday don't expect the Sun headline to read "IT WAS WOKE WOT WON IT", even though that is demonstrably the case. The Tories could only have extracted political capitol out of this if the team had failed and deep down the public knows this now.
After the Germany game, every England victory became a defeat for the government and I find that rather delicious.
Oh Jesus H Corbet!!! You thought that Boris's shirt was bad, and Priti's new found love of Football was cynical, then prepare to uncurl your toes as you check out this cringefest
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1413105912064135170?s=20
I think this counts as cultural appropriation now, doesn't it?
Wheres a gang of Old School footy hooligans when you need one?
After the Germany game, every England victory became a defeat for the government and I find that rather delicious.
What did I miss that made this the case? I've not been keeping on top of the governments shithousery recently.
@binners:
At least he didn't do it in black-face.
Many Scots try to justify why they don’t want England to win, but, hen you cut through the crap, there is usually a fair amount of jealousy involved
Not so, it's just that England won one championship 55 years ago and have never shut up about it since.
Anyway, if we're supposed to be one united Britain, then surely this is Scotland, Wales and Irelands win just as much as it's Englands? or does that only count when Andy Murray wins Tennis and becomes British?
"What did I miss that made this the case? I’ve not been keeping on top of the governments shithousery recently."
See the post directly above your own. JRM and Doris's trolling antics are usually a winner but they're over reaching now and look like complete and utter fools. Even their new found Northern Nationalist constituents aren't buying this tripe.
Not so, it’s just that England won one championship 55 years ago and "the media" have never shut up about it since.
I think is more accurate. But yes if they win it'll be horrendous 😆
I think it was unfortunate for GB news to launch at the same time as the Euro's as in a way they tethered their fate to success or not of the team. Had England disgraced themselves then GB News and the like would be having a field day.
As it is, their target market doesn't want to hear about woke and cancel culture at the moment, they just want to have a few beers and enjoy the football. The Tories and their shills have mis judged the mood of the Nation, or at the very least taken a gamble with it. They have shown their misunderstanding of what football means to most people because they aren't like most people.
Remember how Aston Ham United supporter David Cameron called a referendum during the last Euro's? A little fissure has opened up that they might now find hard to close. Ironically every time the Tories go near the football they make Kier Starmer look more like a man of the people.
Not so, it’s just that England won one championship 55 years ago and “the media” have never shut up about it since.
So, pretty much like any teams who win anything… apart from Scotland who have to talk about Archie Gemmill’s goal against the Dutch.
I think that the next time Priti Patel or Boris Johnson is on camera, talking about how much they're enjoying the football, any reporter worth his salt needs to ask them to talk them through the offside rule, or ask them their opinion of the new handball protocols for next season
If England win it, they'll get to never shut up about how they were the only team in Euro 2020 that we played and couldn't beat.
So, pretty much like any teams who win anything…
No, it's actually nothing like that. If it were it wouldn't be an issue.
If England win it, they’ll get to never shut up about how they were the only team in Euro 2020 that we played and couldn’t beat
You got that right! 😉
No, it’s actually nothing like that. If it were it wouldn’t be an issue.
How do you know. How much time do you spend listening to others country’s sports programmes?
apart from Scotland who have to talk about Archie Gemmill’s goal against the Dutch.
Sounds like jealousy to me
they were the only team in Euro 2020 that we played and couldn’t beat.
Strictly speaking, we drew against Denmark in the equivalent 90 minutes. Not that we would have beaten the Scots in extra time, the way we were playing.
Anyway, if we’re supposed to be one united Britain, then surely this is Scotland, Wales and Irelands win just as much as it’s Englands?
FWIW I'd be cheering on Scotland, Wales or NI if they got to this point in a major comp