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LHS =- thats exactly what I mean
Little Englander is a term now applied to English people [b]who are regarded as xenophobic and/or overly nationalistic[/b] and are often accused of being ignorant and boorish.
Now those of you that think this is racist I challenge you to find s definition of racism that shows this is racist.
Hint - the usual definition is " negative stereotyping on grounds of race"
DD - thats a perfectly reasonable stance shared by many
Please note [b]I did not[/b] argue for independence at any point - I merely pointed out that Scotland more than pays its way.
Scotland is a net contributor to the UK and has been for many decades - this is incontrovertible.
It contributes the highest rate of bancrupty which should be very worrying for a nation heavily dependent on public sector jobs. Its also rather worrying that the SNP for a long time have been declaring that they could be as successful as Ireland if they were independent!
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Now those of you that think this is racist I challenge you to find s definition of racism that shows this is racist.
So you're not being racist by referring to people as racists.
Where did I refer to anyone as racist? Stop putting words in my mouth.
You're right, Xenophobia and Racism are very different.
This thread is going round in circles!!!!!
Can someone provide me with a summary so I don't have to go back over the previous five pages to work out what I should be angry about?
Thanks!
Correct LHS.
Luked - people claiming that the euro will collapse as Germany will withdraw from it which is a load of piffle. spongebrain then claimed all sorts of nonsense about the Scots as scroungers upon which I corrected him. Than a bunch of ignorant little englanders tried to shout me down and invented load of stuff that they claimed I said and attempted to invent a new definition of racism
]Its hardly entertaining reading unless you enjoy watching hard of thinking small minded parochial little englanders ineffectually frothing at the mouth.
Blimey. Is this still running?
It was me who put the William TJ Wallace tag up. I would have thought that was fairly obvious. I wasn't being cowardly. I just thought it was funny. Seems I wasn't on my own
Any-road-up - lets start where I left off. Ahem.....
TJ - You say that I'm guessing about the Scottish nationalists attitude to Banking regulation. Hardly. You seem to be in denial.Good old Alex quotes, ad nauseam, his admiration for the low tax, light-touch attitude of Ireland and Iceland. As the speech I quoted points out. He's been banging on about it for years! Do you actually read the papers? For someone so forthright in his views, you really should do a bit of research occassionaly. Its not difficult.
Could you please nip off, have a look on google (which is presently emblazoned with a Scotish flag - you'll feel at home) and come back with the evidence of Alex's fierce attitude to clamp down on bankers excess's and come down like a ton of bricks on corporate tax evaders. I'd be interested to see it. Mainly as it doesn't exist.
You seem to be like a small child, who, on being presented with the evidence contrary to your opinion (like this, for example: http://www.spectator.co.uk/alexmassie/6467905/another-irish-loser-alex-salmond.thtml), simply sticks his fingers in his ears, closes his eyes and shouts NAH NAH NAH I'M NOT LISTENING!!!!!!!
And TJ - If you think I'm a little Englander, you should hear my opinions on the Centralisation of power in the South East of England.
Binners - and again no where in that article - which is an opinion piece- is there anything about banking regulation.
I do read the press and I have seen little about banking regulation - the only thing I have seen from the SNP was criticism of the " light touch regulation of the banks"
Now unless you can come up with something ( that you have totally failed to do so far) that actually quotes SNP policy ON BANKING REGULATION then you clearly are guessing as to what it is.
So EVIDENCE PLEASE. none supplied so far.
TJ - thanks.
Doesn't sound like there's anything there to be angry about.
More just really sad for how miserable life is going to be in the Irish Republic 🙁
Paying off that much debt is not going to be pleasant.
I am sure that everyone made hay whilst the sun shone and didn't just assume that a boom like that would continue indefinitly and ensured that all the additional money they had went into savings for a rainy day.
NAH NAH NAH I'M NOT LISTENING!!!!!!! 😉
NOrway did exactly that with the oil money - squirrelled it away for the future not spent it on unemployment benefits.
http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/survey/so/2008/pol070908a.htm
Binners - where is your evidence of the SNPs banking policy ? You have failed to provide any so far.
Actually I can't resist
the only thing I have seen from the SNP was criticism of the " light touch regulation of the banks"
yeah... he says that NOW. As does everyone else. If you read his speeches from 2 years ago, he was making a case for the exact reverse. You really are a dream voter aren't you? Whats your take on Nick Clegg's position on tuition fees? Purely out of interest. Is everything he said in the past equelly as non valid in light of new eveidence
YOur evidence Binners? As you don't actually know what his position n banking regulation ever was then how can you claim it has changed?
BTW AT NO POINT ON THIS THREAD HAVE I ARGUED FOR SCOTTISH INDEPENDENCE OR IN SUPPORT OF THE SNP
I wonder how other forums cope without a TJ...
TJ. Its quite simple. He has continuously expressed his admiration for, and his desire to replicate, the two countries with the laxest banking regulation in the world. It really is that simple. Why can't you accept this?
rather be thick than a racist
Well you certainly came over as rather thick..............you clearly had absolutely no idea what the term "little englander" meant.
Or was this just all a big pretence for the hilarious "let's wind up TJ" effect ?
Binners - that is no evidence of the snp policy on [b]banking regulation.[/b] Why can you not see this?
So please - evidence to back your assertion that the snp favour light touch banking regulation.
ok, tj, justify, from my comments on the thread why i am a little englander
Ta Ernie.
Trailmonkey - did I call [b]you [/b] a little englander?
But if the hat fits..................
But if the hat fits..................
go on, prove it, if you're going to insinuate.
Well you certainly came over as rather thick..............you clearly had absolutely no idea what the term "little englander" meant
oh, i think i know. but thanks for the love all the same 8)
I give up. You're right TJ. You always are. I was wrong. Kim Il Salmond, when he inevitably gets to wield supreme executive power over us all, promises to be the scourge of bankers everywhere. All his proclamations point to exactly this conclusion
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TJ - since the mines and much of the nationalised industries were running at a [b]loss[/b] at the time, would it be any different if the money was being spent on unemployment benefits, or propping up loss making industries?
You seem to overlook the fact that the [b]alternative[/b] to making people unemployed, was to continue to pay their wages, which would probably have cost more.
Now, back to your other comments:
"Little Englander" is by no means a racist term as it is not "negative sterotyping on grounds of race".
Which is like something from Alice through the looking glass - When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone,it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.'
Tell you what TJ, would you find the phrase Porridge Wog racist? I mean, it doesn't appear to introduce any form of negative sterotype... so by your standards thats OK 🙄
Where have I called you a little englander? Have I even insinuated? please point out where I have. I merely asked you if you thought you were. If the hat fits wear it. If it doesn't then don't.
Binners - please give me some evidence to back your assertion So far you have not done so. Nothing you have posted mentions banking regulation at all.
I've no intention of doing so TJ. i've admitted I'm wrong and you're right. I don't know what i was thinking. You've effectively 're-educated' me.
I'm basing this on the mountains of evidence you yourself have supplied on the subject.
I think it might be time for the mods to intervene tbh.
This was quite funny for a while.
If the hat fits wear it. If it doesn't then don't
I suggest you apply the same logic to yourself.
If you're not a small minded bigot then let it go.
and returning to a previous tangent, here's a nice building:
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Its much maligned and often overlooked. That's one of the reasons I like it so much. It was designed by Henry Moore. Whats not to like?
What's your favourite building TJ?
Some very silly people on this thread.
TJ, on the point of regulation, I think unfortunately that you're being overly optimistic or more to the point just believing that everyone else can be brought round to your Comrade-TJ beliefs. I can see no reason to believe that Scotland would likely have been any different to the rest of the UK or most other Euro countries in not regulating the banks properly. Greed is common over the borders amongst both politicians and bankers. Which politicians were actually
shouting for more regulation before it became obvious that the whole house of cards were really about to come crashing down? (Yes, I know it's obvious that it had to happen eventually).
Your view seems to be rather idealised and unrealistic. It's possible that an independent Scotland would have tightened banking regulation, but in reality not very likely.
Same as your general assertion that NHS (and other) cuts by the current regime are ideological rather than necessary, a point to which I agree to some extent but since the alternative is taxing many people more than currently which isn't something that the electorate would generally tolerate (we've become far too selfish as a society to accept that) it isn't going to happen no matter how much you bleat on about it.
None so evangelical as the 'converted' eh... 😉
Clubber - I don't disagree. No where on this thread have I said anything different. I merely asked Binners to provide some evidence for his assertions.
It's possible that an independent Scotland would have tightened banking regulation, but in reality not very likely.
Seems perfectly reasonable. However Binners was asserting that Scotland would have had light touch banking regulation without any evidence. I hoped he would provide some but seemed unable to do so.
Trailmonkey - point tioo a single post where I said you were a little englander?
Well maybe you should write a list of names to clarify.
Trailmonkey - point tioo a single post where I said you were a little englander?
You didn't, you made a sweeping generalisation across the thread, which really was the root of the problem.
Having said that, yes, it's all rather silly now and i much prefered the buildings thread drift.
I agree with TJ
uplink - MemberI agree with TJ
Me too.
Little Englander, from Wikipedia:
.Historically, and more accurately, the term indicated an anti-imperialist political stance
The British Empire did a lot of good things, but quite a few fairly grim things (e.g. invention of concentration camps). I don't want to resurrect it.
So I'm happy to be labeled a Little-Englander.
What a horrible, horrible thread.
Heh heh! Is this still going??!
I can't even remember my original thoughts on all this. I think I just came on for a good argue. Then some people started having a go at TJ, then I had a pop at them, and they din't like it.
As for 'Little Englanders'...
I've used that term many a time, because it's actually perfect for some of the folk on here. They are Little Englanders. Racist? Well, I'm English, and so is TJ. It's no more 'racist' than calling someone a 'Chav'. It's amusing that some of those most vehement about being labelled 'Little Englanders' are happy to throw insulting terms around towards others.
And now we know it winds them up, well, it's like a red rag to a bull, really.
If you don't want to be labelled a Little Englander, then don't act like one. Simples. But if you do, then don't start crying if someone calls you it.
In fact, the more this nonsense carries on, the more some folk look like Little Englanders. 😆
Anyway, Binners has the right idea..
This is the Vikingskipet (Viking ship) in Hamar, Norway, whose design was inspired by the idea of an upturned Viking boat. It was built for the 1994 Lillehammer Winter Lympics, as a speed-skating rink, but it has also hosted a UCI track cycling World Championship too. Graham Obree set the World Hour Record in it in 1993. Vikings would use upturned boats as shelter, they would have done so when they first landed on the shores of Scotland.
Lovely bit of architecture, this:
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They are Little Englanders. Racist? Well, I'm English, and so is TJ.
I can't believe you forgot to mention that not only are you English, but you are also not very tall.
Some nice architecture amongst the horseshit being spoken. Being born somewhere shouldn't define you or seal your fate, nor should you expect special treatment.
Ask not what your country can do for you and all that......