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It's on now. How do people reckon it'll go?
I'm very undecided still.
Darling I find dull, but more credible so far.
Salmond trying to play the man not the ball perhaps.
Salmond unable to differentiate between obvious jokes and serious quotes 🙁
where is it on?
I think that Alex has misjudged the audience quite badly by reading out quotes and dates instead of actually asking questions...
badger badger badger badger.
Bit harsh calling upon Jabba the Hut comparison to my mind.
Yes voter here.
Salmond is having a nightmare.
Jesus. Seriously, we're using things like this be 'informed'. FFS.
Salmond can't actually answer any questions - what is the plan for EU membership, how will you structure currency, what is your tax policy, how will you structure health and social services. You know, like small things. Voting Yes because you want 'change' or because you hate the English* is retarded and I would like to think my people are more intelligent than that. It scares me that we listen to this utter shite without actually getting any clue on what will happen post a Yes vote. I understand the principle of wanting an independent voice, absolutely but jesus wept.
* or any other emotional/historical driver.
I'm a no and I don't see anything to change my mind here...
Please answer the bl**dy questions Salmond
I would say that Salmond is wiping the floor with Darling.
People are saying answer the questions Alex, but Alistair Darling only answered one question before rapidly back pedalling and shitting the bed. What extra powers will we have in the event of a No vote? Income tax - all of it? Aye right.
Hmm, Darling asks about the future of the currency, Salmond asks about taking down a blog post 😕
No answers at all from Darling. No answer to the bigger risk of being in bed with the Tories and EU ref.
I have to admit it spoke volumes to me last night watching the WW1 service in Westminster when the 4 home nation soldiers stood guard around the grave to the unnamed soldier. We all fought together and stood together united against adversity.
Yes, the world has changed and yes it does kind of bug me that the SE 'appears' to sometimes only consider it self but I'm a no...better together for muggins here. There...I've said it...
Thus far this debate is only confirming my fears that it's just a big food fight with all the dummies getting spat out of the pram.
Very tactful of the cameras not to show the poor bloke that admitted he'd forgotten what he was going to say... he'd never live that down.
Has darling manscaped his brows?
Oooooooffft man in the specs , cracking
Although i cant help he was a plant.
rosscopeco - MemberWe all fought together and stood together united against adversity.
Yup- Britain and France and Russia and America and Italy and Japan and...
Fair point Northwind. I was speaking from my heart and not my head. My answer is still No!
AS has a golden opportunity to answer genuine questions that could possibly sway the undecided but no, just his usual bs.
And why the hell does he keep wandering away from the lectern as if he's about to give some groundbreaking motivational speech!?!
My bet is that a PR bod told him to do that. I'm still working on the reason...
I'm still working on the reason...
Might be practical; something as simple as lighting - those on the stage can't see the audience?
Maybe aye...
Obama does it.
I'm still working on the reason...
Too much West Wing (Santos/Vinick TV debate)
Perhaps he's lost weight and wants everyone to see? Or new shoes?
Doing it again, he's really just looking a bit odd now.
Being an Englishman down south I was disappointed the debate wasn't on national telly. Other than STW, I'll have to catch up with it on the news.
Looking at the referendum from the outside, I'm not sure what this "independence" that Salmond is offering will actually entail, how he would uncouple Scotland from the rest of us etc, and from comments above sounds like I'm not the only one. If you vote "Yes", how many years will it take for all the ties to be broken, how do you recreate 200-300 years of legislation and public services from a standing start. I genuinely don't know and I haven't heard anyone offer an answer.
I guess you either believe that Scotland should be independent as a matter of principle, regardless, in which case how can Salmond expect to keep the pound without letting the Bank of England control his economic policies in some way, thus undermining the whole independence argument.
Alternatively, you believe it should be independent for pragmatic practical reasons - it will be better for you up there. But I don't see how Salmond has provided much in the way of practical guidance on how that will happen which I would have thought a pragmatist would need to convince him or her that it was the right answer.
I'm also unclear how the "No" campaign can talk of offering Scotland greater autonomy if it stays without causing real "upset" with other regions of the UK who would like the same.
Whichever way it goes, it looks set to be right buggers muddle, and will potentially have an adverse effect both sides of the border.
We were up in Scotland last week and saw a lot of "Yes" posters outside houses and on the streets, but speaking to people we met we didn't find anyone who said they would vote yes, maybe because they were talking to an Englishman. Really not sure how I would vote if I was eligible
but they'll never take... OUR FREEDOM!
I like the idea of decentralisation, but I'm a long way from being convinced it will work, and the Yes campaign are not convincing me it will because their vision appears to be based on assumptions/wishes not known facts.
The other thing that I can't get away from, is that the SNP are all for decentralisation away from Westminster, yet were the driving force behind centralising 8 police forces into 1, and responsible for who was put in charge, which has done massive damage to policing in Scotland.
Seems contradictory to me - unless it's about more power for AS whichever direction it goes?
Voting YES is a total no-go without answers to basic questions on currency, fiscal policy and control. Salmond is unable/unprepared to give answers as he know that despite being "Independent" actually Scotland will be worse off with no influence in these matters. Worse than we are now. Insanity.
Apparently tonight's programme is on BBC Parliament tomorrow 7pm.
MoreCashThanDash - Memberhow many years will it take for all the ties to be broken, how do you recreate 200-300 years of legislation and public services from a standing start.
Not all ties need to be broken. No legislation needs to be recreated. Public services are already in place.
insanity
Enough said