[Closed] The Daily Mail was right (Romanians content..)

or fingers'n'tops round the back

Eww....Keo also make a stout in Cyprus,it is minging.

count me in binners

Is this a new unit of measurement?

100 pies = 1 binner?

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I thought the subdivision of a binner was a sausage roll?

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who steals my Romanian feet!

scotroutes - Member
100 pies = 1 binner?

So, does that mean that 100 Steak Bakes = 1 terabinner?

jambalaya - Member

No surprise to me OP and a definite issue which will feature heavily in the next general election. Massive issue in France also (where I am currently posting this from) not just a UK problem.

Shut up you fool. It's quite funny that you keep nibbling away at posts I have made. You'll notice you don't interest me enough to be arsed replying to pretty much anything you post, however If you have that much of a problem with me then feel to get in touch. I'm sure I'll be waiting a while....

where does binners stand on pork pies?

Nice to have a fan base anyway, even if there's only one in it...

Whats the weather like in Romania, generally? Is there much scope for biking & what's the sea fishing like?
I might wait a couple of years then retire over there, I reckon it'll be pretty sparsely populated by then.

Pretty damn warm IME - certainly around the Black Sea where the beach resorts are. Didn't do any biking but there's plenty of hills in Translyvania - I imagine it's pretty 'undiscovered' though. No idea about sea-fishing.

I reckon it'll be pretty sparsely populated by then.

Ha.

Maybe that's what we do. Get all the Daily Wailers to move over there given that apparently there'll be loads of space. Tell them it's legal and encouraged to be racist/bigoted/etc and they'll flock there.

[quote=kimbers ]where does binners stand on pork pies?
In the middle. I don't think the crust would hold his weight.

Maybe that's what we do. Get all the Daily Wailers to move over there given that apparently there'll be loads of space. Tell them it's legal and encouraged to be racist/bigoted/etc and they'll flock there.

Judging by the comments section on the DM most of those wailing about how we're going to hell in a handcart don't live here anyway.

Clearly, a modern classic...

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Where does Binners stand on pork pies

I hope he doesnt, unless hes barefoot and clean of sole !!!

Here is what Romanians wear,

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No wonder their feet hurt! and they build straight roads bet they don't have good grips like my 80's trainers did. Couldn't imaging stopping and 'turning fast' in the school playground to demonstrate the grip in those 😯

Those Roman sandals are not accurate. In fact the Roman caligae had iron nails for grip. Though they were reported to be rubbish for running turns and rapid stops on marble floors.

All I am trying to get accross here is attempting to portray those (like me) who are concerned about immigration of the type we are seeing, its associated cost, and will continue to see due to EU freedom of movement laws combined with the nature of the expansion of the EU as "racists idiots" or rabid Daily Mail readers is a mistake. This is a serious issue and if it's not addressed more actively by Labour and the Lib Dems it will be a decisive issue very possibly leading to the election of the Tories next year.

My specific point on France was made to show it's not just a UK issue. Angela Merkel quoted the following stat, Europe has 7% or World's population, 25% of its economic activity and 50% of its welfare spending.

Jambalaya you are Marie Le Penn and I claim my cinq Euros
(I will also accept my prize in pork pies, sausage rolls, scotch eggs or whatever the French equivalent is)

This is a serious issue and if it's not addressed more actively by Labour and the Lib Dems it will be a decisive issue very possibly leading to the election of the Tories next year

I think you are also forgetting all of us over there who would also have to come home.

Europe has 7% or World's population, 25% of its economic activity and 50% of its welfare spending

TBH all that stat shows [ if it is true and i doubt it]is that very few countries have state pensions

Back on topic if I may......

I've got a lovely slice of pork pie here. Proper Melton Mowbray number, with some Colemans on it. Nom.

Melton Mowbray - did the EU not have a rule on whether it had to come from there.....see you cannot even enjoy a meat based pastry without those bastards coming over here telling us how to make our pies *

* meat pies is not an area of which I have any expertise - I think I ate one in about 83. I have also never eaten a kebab**.

** is not a euphemism

All I am trying to get accross here is attempting to portray those (like me) who are concerned about immigration of the type we are seeing, its associated cost, and will continue to see due to EU freedom of movement laws combined with the nature of the expansion of the EU as "racists idiots" or rabid Daily Mail readers is a mistake.

The trouble is though that your opinion and that of those like you is based on so much tabloid-inflamed hysteria and confirmation bias. Eg.

@grum - personally negatively, increased levels of crime (car stolen by eastern european living in a hostel) and begging (acosted twice in London on boxing day with standrad beggar with baby in pram). Dodgy unskilled tradesmen (not directoy by me as i refuse to use them but friends had major issue with unskilled work in contravention of uk building regs). Uninsured vehicles and diabolical driving (eastern European delivery drives constantly driving wrong way down one way street knowing full well they won't get points/prosecuted on their licenses and parking illegally as no "tow away" in my town and they aren't going to trace a parking ticket from a foreign registered car)

To quote myself from the other thread:

I've been a victim of crime by non-immigrants, experienced dodgy cowboy tradesmen that weren't immigrants, seen begging, dodgy driving and anti-social behaviour by non-immigrants. Should I conclude that there is a problem with anyone who's not an immigrant?

It's a bit worrying when people can't understand the role their own prejudices play. I'm not saying there are no issues with immigration ever - but if you think it's the massive issue the Daily Mail does then you are deluded I'm afraid.

@junkyard those pensioners are the true golden age, the figures don't work any more and those pensions are over. Working "hard" is not the issue it's about saving enough. My concern is that if we don't address the current stresses in the welfare system, which are being made worse by immigration, we will have a far inferior welfare state than we have now.

UKIP will not stop the Tories winning seats, it's a faint and forlorne hope if those on the left and centre of politics think that's going to help them.

My concern is that if we don't address the current stresses in the welfare system, which are being made worse by immigration

Except that on average immigrants contribute more to the state than they receive, and more than the average UK-born citizen.

So that's just plain wrong and a perfect example of people believing tabloid scaremongering.

Do the Romanians even do pies? I'm just wondering what culinary delights we can expect to follow on the way it has for other waves of iimmigration; the curry, the chinky (oops), the kebab, the pizza. Hard to imagine a high street without these now.

if we don't address the current stresses in the welfare system, which are being made worse by immigration

Lefties ffs, they love to reel out the racist tag in any debate like this, waste of time discussing anything here.

Just vote UKIP, it really winds them up.

scotroutes - Romanian food was similar to Turkish but not as good IIRC.

Lefties ffs, they love to reel out the racist tag in any debate like this, waste of time discussing anything here.

And point out the logical and factual errors in the arguments of UKIP sympathisers. But don't let facts get in the way - you can prove anything with facts.

Still, if the cap fits....

lefties certainly lack the charm and wit of you derek

Wow that private education is really worth it

Druidh

http://romanianrecipes.wikia.com/wiki/Apple_Pie_Romanian-style

Anyway, bloody immigrants.

They'll be moving to Scotland next......oh...hang on....

IGMC

jambalaya - Member

UKIP will not stop the Tories winning seats, it's a faint and forlorne hope if those on the left and centre of politics think that's going to help them.

Am unconvinced- we've certainly seen the opposite happen where division of the lefty vote has let a Tory in. (it took years in my seat before people realised tactical voting was needed to get our Tory out, for a long time it looked like he'd be the last one in Scotland) It only takes a tiny shift of votes in some marginal seats to change a result, and realistically UKIP take the most votes from the Tories. So it's not something to presume, or rely on, but it's a very real prospect.

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Hate to disagree with a riding pal, 😉 but there is not an issue with immigration and welfare IMO. In fiscal terms, immigration is slightly positive to neutral so in effect is a mild positive for welfare (but still essentially a red herring). In the ST it also reduces the dependency ratio. Two linked positives. Second, the EU freedom of movement is a slight misnomer (much is the pity for a libertarian) and UKIP and the Tories are incorrect in the blame they place on EU legislation. As has been pointed out, there is plenty of scope within EU legislation for national legislation to restrict movement. Indeed France and other founding members are the most active in using it. Funny that one of the founding members is so anti one of the basic principles of the EU, but no surprise there.

Going back to sd's rant the other day re the BBC programme. I was listening to it and thought I heard a member of the EDL talking judging by the comments being made. Turned out to be a Sikh living in Lancashire. Odd until you see the oxford u analysis that shows that one of the segments that does tend to suffer from immigration in the labour market is previous migrants. Still that does not counter the overall positive impact of immigration for society as a whole.

I went to my citizenship "swearing in" ceremony straight from work. So I was fairly smartly dressed - but I was probably the least well dressed in the room. As I stood there it was clear that those who were there to be sworn in as British citizens had taken this very seriously indeed - it was a matter of significance and pride to all of them. Most had come with their families and even the kids were dressed smartly, suit and tie smart.

At the end everyone tried to sing "God Save the Queen" though clearly not many knew the words before lining up to get their photo taken with the official in all his finery. We then filed out of the building feeling very proud and very British - into a running street battle between two local laddettes, just in time to see one smack her friend around the head with an arm heavy with fake gold bracelets.

At the end everyone tried to sing "God Save the Queen" though clearly not many knew the words before lining up to get their photo taken with the official in all his finery. We then filed out of the building feeling very proud and very British - into a running street battle between two local laddettes, just in time to see one smack her friend around the head with an arm heavy with fake gold bracelets.

Make yer proud to be BRITISH it does

Haha, brilliant. Welcome! 🙂

This ceremony.....was there pie?

English rather than French mustard?

This ceremony.....was there pie?

I should imagine there was a level of piety.

IGMC

Apologies to JY for my previous post...

Surely any true celebration of Britishness would have involved everyone filing down to Greggs afterwards. Gregg's rarely get the credit they deserve for being such a unifying force for good in this country.

Surely any true celebration of Britishness would have involved everyone filing down to Greggs afterwards. Gregg's rarely get the credit they deserve for being such a unifying force for good in this country.

I, Binners , swear by Almighty Greggs, to solemnly, sincerely and truly affirm and declare that, on becoming a British citizen, I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to a Steak Bake, it's chicken and mushroom variants, and any beefy successors, according to law.

😀

God Save Our Mighty Greggs,
Pasties - sausage and eggs,
God save our Greggs.

Sausage and Baked Bean melt,
Who cares for being svelte,
Time to loosen your belt,
God save our Greggs.

I feel the urge for a large tattoo 😀

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Bravo Lemonysam!

[quote=bearnecessities ]Bravo Lemonysam!
Indeed!

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we need jamie to do the flag now

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A tattoo of an anchor at the tattoo.

[url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Saxon_settlement_of_Britain ]Bloody immigrants coming here taking our country[/url]

[quote=derekfish ]Lefties ffs, they love to reel out the racist tag in any debate like this, waste of time discussing anything here.
Just vote UKIP, it really winds them up.
Hi Graeme. Not seen you on the forum for a while. Have you been going through a bit of a "transition"? 🙂

* waves *

@grum you asked for personal experience on that other thread so I gave you some

My views aren't tabloid fuelled, the only English paper I read is the Guardian (because it's free online)

@teamhurtmore you are free to disagree anytime as is everyone else.

Quoting that immigrants contribute more than they receive is dangerous as its based on a historic situation very different to that we see today and for how the future looks. I have been an immigrant into the US and Singapore and in both cases there was a stringent application process and I had to have a job before I went. My parents (and me as a 5yr old) where immigrants into Australia in the 60's. I have no issue whatsoever with the concept of immigration, it's a matter of how it's managed and the fact is with freedom of movement within the EU it's not managed at all. When our EU partners where of similar economic standing that made sense, the more recent accelerated expansion is very different indeed.

scotroutes - Member

Massively OT, but I'll be out your way Sunday if you're up for a run?

Doubt it would be worth your while. Currently ManFlu'd and hoping to be well enough to mibbe get to the Puffer for the end and a few photos. 😥

@Junkyard on the welfare state point, you say "the majority of people contribute more than they take" ? Not sure about that. The top 10% pay 25% of taxes so in fact the 90% are taking more than they pay in. It's not about comparing benefits to tax paid, it's the whole cost of running the state including the NHS.

Why is it not unreasonable to ask immigrants to have a job before they arrive, not hard with the Internet is it to search for work ? Why not insist your children must live in the uk to claim child benefit ? Why not insist you must have been in the uk a minimum of three months before claiming unemployment benefit ?

but as immigrants are net contributors your argument is totally redundant jambalaya!

Massively OT

When was it OT?

A toasted club sandwich has got to be up there with the best.

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jambalaya - Member
Angela Merkel quoted the following stat, Europe has 7% or World's population, 25% of its economic activity and 50% of its welfare spending.

Referring to ageing populations. Not immigration.

Curious that Gideon has chosen to quote a speech from over a year ago now, and in the wrong context...

but as immigrants are net contributors your argument is totally redundant jambalaya!

You cannot just come into the UK and claim benefits though, even from the EU.

Of all the migrants who claim benefits only 2% are not entitled to it (source: would you believe it, the Adam Smith Institute!!!)

Migrants represent 13% of the total workforce but only 7% of claimants. And numbers actually claiming are small in absolute and %age terms.

Odd why we are caught up in this debate. Even Chukku Umunna got caught out and trapped into feeling the need it make a false point here on QT last week. It was obvious that he was BSing at the time. At least you expected it from UKIP and Nadine Dorris. All very odd.

(Looking forward to the extra chat on the next ride!!!! 😉 )

From today's FT:

Mr Barroso, however, said: “Contrary to impressions created recently in national debates, [free movement] is not a freedom without rules. If there is an abuse of free movement the member states are not only entitled, they have the duty to act.”

The top 10% pay 25% of taxes so in fact the 90% are taking more than they pay in

The top 10% pay 25% or what? 25% of the income tax take or 25% of the whole of the governments tax take?

@teamhurtmore as I understand it you can claim job seekers allowance as soon as you arrive. In any case my point is not about benefit claimants, for example you can come to the uk earn £10k and be entitled to all services like NHS while paying nothing back in.

@maccruiskeen, income tax and national insurance so not corporation tax althoughthe big companies often pay very little corporation tax vs their employee taxes.

jambalaya - sorry to bring facts into this:

Usually people who come to the UK to work can't get public funds. 'Public funds' means most welfare benefits and local authority housing. You might be able to get free NHS treatment and your children will be allowed to go to state school.

However, if you're from a country in the European Economic Area (EEA), the rules are different. EEA nationals have the right not to be treated worse than a British citizen. You can find a list of EEA countries on the DWP website at www.dwp.gov.uk.

In practice, even if you come from one of these countries, you won't automatically get benefits. For example, if you’re an EEA jobseeker who has never worked in the UK, you won't be able to claim benefits like Income Support, income-based Jobseeker's allowance, Child Benefit, Housing Benefit or Council Tax Reduction. But if you're an EEA worker who has been employed in the UK before becoming unemployed, you might be able to claim benefits whilst you’re looking for new work. This depends on which EEA country you're from and how long you've worked in the UK.

http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/england/benefits_e/faq_index_benefits/faq_benefits_entitlement_if_coming_from_abroad.htm

From the CAB. Sounds quite reasonable no?

And I believe this is known as 'shifting the goalposts':

In any case my point is not about benefit claimants, for example you can come to the uk earn £10k and be entitled to all services like NHS while paying nothing back in.

You should really read up on confirmation bias - it's fascinating, and doesn't just apply to swivel-eyed UKIP supporters. 😉

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

Not sure that is correct - at the very least they have to pass the habitual residents test. And there is a requirement to prove that you are not going to be a burden on the state. My understanding is that our "right to reside" test is actually more stringent than in other EU countries - indeed we are getting flak for that from the EU or commission (can't remember which) right now.

(Bon nuit et je t'ai envoye un text !)

The BBC describes it slightly differently.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25134521

Either way, it's hardly the free-for-all that Paul Dacre and jambalaya imagine it to be.

For example, at the census ten years ago Polish didn't feature in top 10, now they are our second nationality. This is entirely due to freedom of movement now they are inside the EU. There is no doubt immigration from the new and poor Eastern European EU states will be increasing dramatically. I feel it would be much better if this was on a managed basis, by all means come if you have a job lined up and you are approved.

Bon nuit, vraiment. A demain

scotroutes - Member
Doubt it would be worth your while. Currently ManFlu'd and hoping to be well enough to mibbe get to the Puffer for the end and a few photos.

Ahh ya big Jessie. I'll fire over an email Saturday, if it's good weather I'm likely to find a hill or two en route. Then go for a head torch run in the late afternoon. You'll be reet.

Mind you, if the weather is pants it'll be a 15 miler or so from lunch time from Loch Morlich or thereabouts.

For example, at the census ten years ago Polish didn't feature in top 10, now they are our second nationality. This is entirely due to freedom of movement now they are inside the EU.

What's wrong with that? Unless you just don't like foreigners I can't see the problem. The area where I work in the west end of Morecambe which is very deprived has improved considerably since the influx of Poles, who by and large are very hard workers (and drinkers 🙂 ).

I feel it would be much better if this was on a managed basis, by all means come if you have a job lined up and you are approved.

Is there some evidence that significant numbers of unemployed people are coming to this country (and by evidence I don't mean tabloid newspaper articles), and that it's causing problems? And do you feel that UK citizens should be restricted from moving to other EU countries before finding work too?

The whole country has been ruined by imigtation all those Celts building ugly hillforts Romans digging up the countryside Normans putting alien churches everywhere Nordic hooligans running riot. England for the picts I say. If your ancestors were not born here you ain't welcome obviously my own Norman family excluded.

So can someone talk me through what happens to a Romanian family as soon as they step out of the airport.
What are they entitled to?
Not trolling,honestly, if you read the press you would assume they are given a mansion and a Ferrari .
I would like to know the facts.

The CAB and BBC links above zippykona.

BTW:

There have been anxieties that 2014 will be a repeat of 2004, when after Poland and several other countries joined the EU, one million immigrants flocked to the U.K. — far outstripping government estimates. However, those predicting an "invasion" seem to misunderstand that Romanians and Bulgarians have been able to travel to the U.K. since 2007, when their countries joined the EU. Temporary restrictions meant that they had to apply for work permits before — now they won't have to. It seems unlikely that people with the determination or desperation to move their lives overseas would wait seven years for it to be a little bit easier.

http://www.policymic.com/mobile/articles/78953/uk-s-right-wing-media-manufactures-ridiculous-controversy-over-flood-of-25-romanian-immigrants

what is british?
norman,
anglo saxon,
viking,
roman,
celtic,
neanderthal,
homo heidelbergensis etc etc

the history of humanity is just waves of migration, its what we do

The whole country has been ruined by imigtation all those Celts building ugly hillforts Romans digging up the countryside Normans putting alien churches everywhere Nordic hooligans running riot. England for the picts I say. If your ancestors were not born here you ain't welcome obviously my own Norman family excluded.

These aren't really the best examples of immigration tbh. I'd pick some of the later ones that didn't involve violent domination by a foreign power. Who knows what happened with the Celts, but it looks very much like the previous culture at least was swept away never to be seen again.