As if the CyberTruck didn’t have enough issues to contend with, the wheels are, quite literally, falling off!
https://www.fastcompany.com/91540194/the-wheels-are-falling-off-teslas-cybertruck
🫢🤣
🤣 and yet people still want/buy them!
I love the way that Tesla say that owners will receive recall letters by July! Obviously no hurry to get it fixed and nice to see they don't think it's dangerous.
Vehicles get recalled for all sorts of issues these days, at least the manufacturers sort stuff out like this, wheels used to fall off Morris Minors regularly and nothing was particularly done about it.
What surprises me more about that article is the incredible low sales volumes. Seems like even the Americans recognise it as a piece of crap. 😁
🤣 and yet people still want/buy them!
Well I'm not sure they do!
A very small and vocal minority of Tesla/Musk fanbois still want them.
No one else does.
I think a large number of sales might be youtubers buying them and ripping them to bits with their hands.
That may not be a large number, but it sounds like it could be a decent percentage ^^^
Teslas are strange, often five star safety ratings, but involved in more accidents than any other brand...
I wonder if its the same automoation complacency thats about to hit AI assisted work...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automation_bias
@tthew - I'm not sure a Morris Minor is quite the right safety recall reference benchmark - or century for that matter 😆 At least the cyber truck has front seatbelts! ;->
I liked the comment about the Cybertruck Basecamp tent appearing as a "flaccid fabric hodgepodge". Perhaps it was designed as an homage to Musk.
5 star safety rating doesn't mean it's a safe car. Just that those things that give you the 5 stars are present and correct.Teslas are strange, often five star safety ratings, but involved in more accidents than any other brand...
Bit like an MOT.
There is an epically huge gulf between cars that meet the 5 star rating and truly "safe" cars. (Obvs, cars are inherently dangerous, and driven in all too many cases, by idiots.)
Hell there almost certainly cars with 4 stars that are safer than some that have met the 5 star requirements by ticking boxes and doing the bare minimum.
Why does the guy in the picture have rectangular holes in his legs?
appearing as a "flaccid fabric hodgepodge". Perhaps it was designed as an homage to Musk.
this deserves more recognition, chapeau.
I think a large number of sales might be youtubers buying them and ripping them to bits with their hands.
Reading the article it seems he's buying a decent percentage of them via his various companies!
It comes up in a lot of insurance industry surveys. I don't think they could all be wrong.Is that true though?
I don't care tbh... but surveys? or statistics? Sounds like made up shit to me. Seeing as most likely involved in accidents are younger drivers and least likely to own a Tesla...
Put it this way, if there weren't any statistics to back up the numbers, Tesla would be all over them.
This is a company that's run by the richest tantrum throwing toddler in the world.
Am I not right in saying Cybertrucks are not allowed on UK and most European roads under road safety and pedestrian safety legislation?
TBF, most Tesla's are half decent cars.
Cybertruck is (AFAIK) almost completely banned in most of the world.
Am I not right in saying Cybertrucks are not allowed on UK and most European roads under road safety and pedestrian safety legislation?
TBF, most Tesla's are half decent cars.
I think(bit cpuld be wrong) is almost all american trucks are built to a far lower safety standard than their cars. They are literally death traps tarted up to look luxury.
Whereas in most of europe trucks and cars have to conform to the same standards.
Am I not right in saying Cybertrucks are not allowed on UK and most European roads under road safety and pedestrian safety legislation?
i think its they can't be sold here but if you import one you can get a special exemption or something
Am I not right in saying Cybertrucks are not allowed on UK and most European roads under road safety and pedestrian safety legislation?
i think its they can't be sold here but if you import one you can get a special exemption or something
They aren’t legal in the Uk at all. They’re below standards for safety and are overweight for a car licence holder. Due to the safety issues they won’t pass an IVA like other imported cars do.
I only know that as I read something online about a Police force seizing an imported one because of this.
The real problem with the Cybertruck is the absolutely toxic nature of the brand, alienating a large proportion of the potential market
I use the Tesla charge network (in collaboration with the EU), it's the only reliable, reasonably priced continent wide network. And I'd happily own a made in Berlin Model Y. Xi or Musk who is really on our side? China buys from and supplies Russia whilst Musk provides Starlink for Ukraine but not Russia. People don't seem to worry about buying MG or BYD but I wouldn't.
I'm pretty sure they aren't legal in Europe too due to safety etc, especially pedestrians. They are massive though - Ford F150 size ? Can't be fun on European roads.
i think its they can't be sold here but if you import one you can get a special exemption or something
Fortunately that's not correct.
Tesla Cybertruck: Bury driver stopped in vehicle banned in UK - BBC News https://share.google/bU5DaefdXzCjPhx4y
The real problem with the Cybertruck is the absolutely toxic nature of the brand, alienating a large proportion of the potential market
I'd say that the real problem with the cyber truck is the fact that the majority of folk see it as akin to getting penile enlargement surgery
If I remember rightly the big obstacle with importing one is the fact it has a steer by wire system and the documentation required to prove that system was developed correctly following a set of defined development practices doesn’t exist.
There were only a few bits of the bodywork that needed attention I think it was sharpness on the trailing edge of the bonnet and the indicator lights needed modifications to U.K. standards.
This is from memory so dont shoot the messenger but if it wasn’t steer by wire you’d be seeing a lot more imported,
Teslas are strange, often five star safety ratings, but involved in more accidents than any other brand...
I wonder if its the same automoation complacency thats about to hit AI assisted work...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automation_bias
The issue is probably also down to the performance, a non performance dual motor model 3 is seriously quick 4 secs 0-60 and are very good value on the bang per buck if you want fast.
People tend to bounce performance stuff off things if they aren’t used to driving fast cars.
Meh dup post, anyway the other reason is that they are also heavy 3.5 t so normal car licence doesn’t cover it(unless your an old fart).
US truck regs are iffy but I have a feeling that the Cybertruck exceeds these again OTTOMH.
I like Teslas but aren’t a fan of Musk.
The performance car thing is an issue. It looks like a boring exec saloon, but is as fast as a super car.
One of the things that used to go round was when the Honda Civic VTEC came out, loads got trashed as they were a bit mental, despite the factory upgrades. Electric cars are no different, other than the acceleration is insane on some models, and people can't handle it, they aren't good enough drivers.
I've had to watch how I drive my new diesel auto van with 400 newtons. Can't pull out and boot it like in my petrol saloon, have to pull out, make sure it's in second, get in a straight line then slightly push the pedal, and the van takes off. The tyres let go if I don't and it skips (traction control kicks in violently), and mine is on performance road car tyres (it's classed as a car).
Electric cars are like 10x that issue... whoosh.
Most electric cars are 'performance' cars now. 8 seconds to 60, forget it, it's like 5 in a family leccy car. That also means you have to be extra careful of the power.
My old car would do 0-60 in 10ish seconds, felt quick enough. The van is slightly quicker from zero, but the change from say 40 to 70 is insane on the 'brick' compared to the car so I can imagine the change to leccy is more intense.
One of the things that used to go round was when the Honda Civic VTEC came out, loads got trashed as they were a bit mental, despite the factory upgrades
Some fine fine memes came out of the "when the vtec hits" era
wheels used to fall off Morris Minors regularly and nothing was particularly done about it.
That was a maintenance failure issue, not a manufacturing problem. Owners failed to pump grease into the joint at the bottom of the kingpin, the screw would dry out, water would get in, the joint would corrode, then the upright would jump out of the bottom link and the whole wheel would pivot out sideways. It happened to a mate with a bunch of us in his Moggy on our way back home one night.
I had a ‘54 Split-screen, with an A-Series, uprated front brakes - Riley 1500 drums, Koni shock upgrade, van rear axle and reclining front bucket seats. Built it up with a mate in my lock-up, and one thing he emphasised, as he had a split-screen Moggie, with an MGB engine, the bottom joints on the kingpin needed to be kept greased to prevent the dreaded Morris Minor clunk!
The issue is probably also down to the performance, a non performance dual motor model 3 is seriously quick 4 secs 0-60 and are very good value on the bang per buck if you want fast.
People tend to bounce performance stuff off things if they aren’t used to driving fast cars.
Yes, that's my guess too. I assume they have traction/stability control so you aren't going to power slide into a lamppost, but the laws of physics still apply and you can't stop or corner any faster than the grip you have available. Autopilot will make it worse, obviously, because your reaction time will be much slower if you aren't fully attentive to what's happening outside.
I used to work on adas stuff and Tesla had a pretty poor reputation in the industry. The early versions took third party (mobileye) standalone systems like pedestrian detection or adaptive cruise control put them together and names it "autopilot" and mobileye refused to deal with them anymore because of it as the systems were never designed to act like that.
Everything I've read puts the blame mostly on the autopilot. I think their autonomous car in Austin have a pretty poor accident record too.
It all seems rushed compared to waymo.
Performance doesn't help tho
https://youtube.com/shorts/lWBHVGoo9tc
Most electric cars are 'performance' cars now. 8 seconds to 60, forget it, it's like 5 in a family leccy car. That also means you have to be extra careful of the power.
My old car would do 0-60 in 10ish seconds, felt quick enough. The van is slightly quicker from zero, but the change from say 40 to 70 is insane on the 'brick' compared to the car so I can imagine the change to leccy is more intense.
I think there’s also an that without a manual gearbox you push the throttle to the floor and it’s off as opposed to a lot of noise and oops.
That extra power can also affect driving as people will jump for gaps when they should probably be holding back.
The other issue is the weight they’re heavy and as said physics is very unforgiving.
I actually bought into electric for performance and drivability,you get the benefits of a large v8 without the economical downsides or running and it’s reasonably subtle.
One of the things that used to go round was when the Honda Civic VTEC came out, loads got trashed as they were a bit mental, despite the factory upgrades
Some fine fine memes came out of the "when the vtec hits" era
My son does have a sticker saying "My VTEC goes bwaaaaaah". But he won't put it on the car...
It all seems rushed compared to waymo.
TBH even that is sketchier than people think.
I don’t think the premise of making it work as we do with 2 eyes or 1 if your unlucky is that insane although I’d want better than our senses and radars etc.
Tesla are very naughty with autopilot (self drive option)and TBH I’m not sure who buys it in the U.K./EU other than social media influencers as I think there's only one EU country has the US version.(yep Netherlands is the only one approving full self drive)
Tesla cars have had problems with suspension arms at both front and rear.
They go through rubber bushes and have had problems with cracking and breaking https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-musk-steering-suspension/
One of the things that used to go round was when the Honda Civic VTEC came out, loads got trashed as they were a bit mental, despite the factory upgrades
Some fine fine memes came out of the "when the vtec hits" era
My son does have a sticker saying "My VTEC goes bwaaaaaah". But he won't put it on the car...
Any joke about VTEC engines must be firmly in dad joke territory by now, the sticker wasn't a gift was it?
On the fatal accident rates, its mostly down to the performance.
There is a strong correlation across motoring that higher performance vehicles are involved in more fatal crashes per mile driven than normal cars. It tends not to show up in brand level data as most manufacturers don't just sell performance cars - the number of Golf R's stuck in hedges doesn't really affect the overall number for VW as they are a tiny percentage of the number of cars they sell. It does show up in more performance oriented brands like BMW and Subaru though.
Pretty much every Tesla car is a "performance car" The base Model 3's can do sub 5s 0-60, and the performance and Plaid versions of the Model 3 and Model S are rip your face off fast. Its not surprising they top accident rate statistics.
WRT the performance of cars, when I used to have a sports car, I had to change my thinking from "can I do this" to "should I do this" when planning overtaking etc. It was very very easy to get to dangerous and illegal speeds without really trying if I wasn't paying attention. That car had a 0-60 of about 4.5s, lots of modern cars are *much* faster.
I always assumed that Teslas are constantly involved in accidents is down to the fact that they’re stupidly fast in a straight line but also weigh 2 tonnes, are quite cheap, and are driven by people for whom checking tyre tread depth is an alien concept. Also Tesla drivers are the new Audi owners.
FSD in the US is proven safer than driving it yourself, and anyone who’s tried the automation outside of the US wouldn’t trust it as far as they could throw the car.
Much as I love my EV3, I think there is another issue with EVs that might be leading to more accidents. It's not just that they accelerate quickly it is that they do it so smoothly and quietly that you don't really realise. I nearly got caught out by his on my first test drive when I suddenly found myself going into a bend much faster than I thought I was going in a car that was much heavier than I was used to.
Performance figures don't tell the whole story either. My EV3 is pretty sedate 0-60 by EV standards. Still plenty quick enough for my needs but not eye-catching on paper. But that's partly because they deliberately restrict the power when you pull away from a standstill to reduce wheelspin (it's FWD). But the kick when you put your foot down in normal driving is bigger than you might expect given that relatively sedate 0-60 time. I've got used to it now but it's still easy to put your foot down and suddenly find that you are doing 80 odd and the car is still pulling.
