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'You can't handle the truth.'
Rydster, have you forgotten about the windrush scandal? That's one reason why people are protesting the government, the bill boards on vans telling foreigners to go home is another. Constant (brexit fuelled) us and them comments from the government is another.
Your either very ignorant, or a troll.
Then compare the girl in an induced coma and you will see one is a horrific injury, the other a slight bruise about 1″ long under one eye.
The cops seem to using a range of different weapons from rubber/plastic bullets to paintballs (mostly filled with pepper spray but some solid ones as well).
So quite possible he got hit by the latter but sadly didnt pay enough attention to make sure to your satisfaction.
MSP,
That's a really good point. When you look at the enormity of the systemic problems in the US it's hard to know where to start but what you're suggesting is exactly the place to start. Murders by police are more than individual actions, they are joint ventures, by all the officers present and by all those that cover for them.
Same with every investigating officer and prosecutor involved in the Georgia case. All these individuals are as much the problem as the offending officers. They all need to be removed from their posts and prosecuted. Without action like this any progress will be impossible and any words will be no more than platitudes.
Don't forget that a black newscaster (with his camera crew) covering the protests was arrested before the police officer that murdered George Floyd was.
Here's an example of my earlier point about violence and domination by force is endemic in all levels of US society.
Someone on my Facebook feed (an American living in the US) shared a post by someone who was presumably a friend or associate of his. It was in strong support of the protests and strongly denounced racism, which was good. Then it said something like 'if you don't agree then get the **** off my Facebook feed' which is also ok. But it finished with 'or come find me and see how well that goes for you.'
So even those who strive to be good and righteous think in terms of violence. It's absolutely endemic. This is why Trump is acting the way he is, it's why the Police act the way they do, and it's why people support them.
I honestly cannot fathom why you are trying to protect such behaviour.
You appear to not be able to read very well so I’ll keep this simple. My original post was referring to the female reporter who lost an eye. You wrongly assumed I was talking about some bloke I’ve not even heard of. Wind your neck in, I’m not attempting to protect anyone. Clear enough?
https://edition.cnn.com/specials/live-cnni-uk
If you want answers rydster. watch the memorial on the now. very powerful stuff. If you can't hear the message in there... well...
I want the truth, not fabricated lies.
The only person who knows for certain whether they were actually shot or not is the one doing the claiming.
You can get different injuries from 'rubber' bullets just as you can from a punch in the face, up to and including death. Range is a factor, as is direct / indirect impact (you're supposed to bounce them off the floor at closer ranges to take some of the energy out of the shot).
I'm as sceptical as they come and demand corroboration and sources for the daily churn presented as "facts" in various corners of the Internet. But you do realise, don't you, that baselessly concluding that he's lying is as equally fallacious thinking as baselessly believing what he's claiming.
molgrips,
Your friends friend is basically just saying it with bombers.
I could also interpret what he is saying as' don't type s*** on my Facebook page you wouldn't say to my face.'
@dazh I only asked you directly as you had commented on rioting previously. Plus you generally come across as the sort of person who would have an answer to that question. Cheers though, question answered.
the violence from the cops in the US is astounding. I've just seen a couple of clips on twitter that have made me feel physically sick - 2 massive fat cops kneeling on a girl after whacking her with sticks, one girl having her tits grabbed by a cop, then smashed up and down the body with sticks until she fell.
How the hell can this go on? And they know they're being videoed for the world to see??! Stunning.
How the hell can this go on? And they know they’re being videoed for the world to see??! Stunning.
Agreed. This is headline news everywhere today. Poor guy in his 70s. It's the way the whole squad just walk straight past him.
https://twitter.com/PhillyD/status/1268727223923535872
Tripped and fell!
Ok, as we're posting the stuff. I know we don't see what led the cop to grope her, but holy shit.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1268575677286154246
Another example of America's violence problem.
In my wife's home town in Wisconsin a house had been standing empty for a few months and a black man moved in. The neighbours, on seeing someone in the house, called the cops who went in with guns drawn.
Would it have happened if it had been a white man? It might've done. Certainly wouldn't have happened if it had been a family, and probably not if it had been a woman. But the point is that on seeing a person in the house, the neighbours' first thought was that a crime was being committed. That is a siege mentality.
Now we don't know the entire story of course, but it's hard to imagine what a newly moved in man would do to look suspicious enough to warrant police with guns.
How the hell can this go on? And they know they’re being videoed for the world to see??! Stunning.
Only happens in America..
A friend in the US, lives in a lovely area of California, brill job, great family, all-round good guy, won't go for a jog around the block as he gets reported and worries what could happen.
Reported for what? Is this another of these stupid citations or whatever they're called?
Those film footages are physically revolting. It seems the level of inequality in a society will be matched by a commensurate degree of repression (and religion).
I know we don’t see what led the cop to grope her
He could have grabbed her by the pussy, you can do what you want*
*crude but I think you know where i am going with this
Reported for what?
Who knows, but he's fed up being challenged by the cops I think.
Rydster, have you forgotten about the windrush scandal? That’s one reason why people are protesting the government, the bill boards on vans telling foreigners to go home is another. Constant (brexit fuelled) us and them comments from the government is another.
Your either very ignorant, or a troll.
The Windrush scandal concerned about 200 individuals who were dealt with insensitively by immigration. Not having been naturalised they strickly speaking fell foul of immigration laws but most people would agree that the application of these laws was unreasonable in their case. Do I agree that border control is racist in essence? Of course not.
More...
https://twitter.com/ABC7/status/1268673244715859968?s=19
... and more (same incident, different angle).
https://twitter.com/MrCooper1234/status/1268732835340275713?s=19
And still (I can't my head around this) some people tie themselves in knots trying to justify it.
The Windrush scandal concerned about 200 individuals who were dealt with insensitively by immigration.
May I politely suggest that your statement rather under-eggs the devastating impact of Windrush?
It's mental that even at a protest against police brutality, the police can't just pretend and stop doing police brutality for a few days.
Rydster, do you get your factual information from BNP leaflets? Or is the edl and Tommy Robinson more your cup of tea?
I'm not denying that the protests were legitimate but there was also a great deal of looting and violence associated with said protests. Something like 200 Target stores are consequentially closed and where are the local people going to buy their groceries from now? Images of police in riot gear need to be seen in that context.
Anybody else think the The US government is trying to extend the protests? That it's looking to exploit the situation for political gain? They could have taken the option of letting the protests run out of steam. The looting stopped a few days ago so the threat to law and order has receded but the police are ramping up the violence against unarmed protesters Funny how the police were no where to be seen where the looting was actually happening, (well not in uniform anyway)
This looks worse than images we see from Russia or Hong Kong. You can see the different forces of the State, a president with King like powers able to direct security forces like a private militia, with literally no effective legal or congressional oversight.
The question is already being asked, 'where does the Army stand?'
America is beginning to look a lot like Turkey.
Anybody else think the The US government is trying to extend the protests? That it’s looking to exploit the situation for political gain?
Barr was very subdued in his press conference yesterday, said Monday in DC was all about moving the perimeter, he knew nothing of the photo op at the church, some BS about people smashing paving slabs and using them as weapons (this has been filmed elsewhere, thought to be white activists). He didn't repeat the 'we didn't use tear gas' claims.
I’m not denying that the protests were legitimate but there was also a great deal of looting and violence associated with said protests. Something like 200 Target stores are consequentially closed and where are the local people going to buy their groceries from now? Images of police in riot gear need to be seen in that context.
Context, you say?
https://people.com/crime/protesters-form-human-chain-new-york-target-prevent-looting/
That's one - want some more? How many more videos of people not looting stores being brutalised by the police do you want?
I’m not denying that the protests were legitimate but there was also a great deal of looting and violence associated with said protests.
If you've evidence that the people protesting are the same people that are looting, now would be the time to throw it up here. Bear in mind that the last proper study about this found that protesters who're sufficiency motivated to come out onto the streets are unlikely in the midst of that protest, to decide that what they're really here for is a free 42" Amoled...The same study found that protesters are likely to target "symbolic power" ie the Cop station with graffiti, the capitol building and so on...
Protests do however lure out to the street people who're totally down for a bit of free telly, sure. But It's OK to beat them up with sticks, kneel on them, and drop tear gas all over them (and by co-incidence, the legitimate protesters), right?
Plus also, some of the reporting about looting is just plain wrong. A police report suggested (and a newspaper led with the same report) that a Rolex store had been stripped clean and had pictures of smashed windows and empty display cases all tipped up. The Rolex store actually had to release a statement saying, they had removed all the stock, and that while the windows were broken, they had lost NO product at all.
Plus as before, so what about a bit of looting? most stores can be robbed at anytime, can get burnt to the ground at any time, can be looted. It's a risk you take, and giant corps like Target will be up and running in no time again. Against a protest about police murdering with impunity, it's nothing.
True Story: I watched a guy dash into a Barrett and Holland store in Manchester, he barged past me and reached to the Manuka Honey, grabbed one and legged it. I spoke to the store person and said "why don't you move it?" (the jars, it turned out; were about £25.00) "Can't" came the reply, "the head office want them in the very front of the store. we keep telling them they get nicked, but they don't care, they accept they'll loose a few" If organisations like H&B act like that...d'you thy're bothered about a store being turned over?
This picture hits you hard, but not nearly the same force as a 'non-lethal' round hitting the face of a homeless man in a wheelchair.
I have a feeling that it will become an emblem of this period in US history.
Plus as before, so what about a bit of looting? most stores can be robbed at anytime, can get burnt to the ground at any time, can be looted. It’s a risk you take, and giant corps like Target will be up and running in no time again. Against a protest about police murdering with impunity, it’s nothing.
Because people die in riots and looting. Several have died already. And if mass theft and destruction is to be tolerated then why would people bother to buy anything again when they can just take it? Why would anyone invest in a shop? The state has a duty to protect life and property within reason.
but not nearly the same force as a ‘non-lethal’ round hitting the face
Less than lethal is the official term I think...
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=less+lethal+bullets
different angle showing the extent of the damage caused:This picture hits you hard, but not nearly the same force as a ‘non-lethal’ round hitting the face of a homeless man in a wheelchair.
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The state has a duty to protect life and property within reason.
Do explain how that duty is served by kneeling on some-one's neck for eight and half minutes until they're dead.
Do you agree that if the people tasked with the duty of upholding the law are broken, then equally the citizenry cannot be held to higher standard should they choose to protest?
****, those pictures are hard to look at.
****, those pictures are hard to look at.
Anyone who is trying to justify police tactics needs to take a long, hard, look at them. And then a long, hard look at themselves.
There can be no possible justification for what’s just happened to that poor bloke in the wheelchair. What must have been going through that cop’s tiny mind when he took that shot? Pure savagery. Evil.
TBH Rydster, if you find yourself using words like "suspicious" and "nebulous" to describe concepts such as Equality, Freedom and Liberty. I don't think there's much anyone on the thread can do any more, to explain it to you.
Nick, you’re on to a loser. I think he’s my Dad’s (american) wife. She tried to justify the Rodney King beating years ago!
Aye, Watty you're right. At least I tried.
Reported.