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Much as I dont want to defend far right hate filled ****wits, he was probably just drunk and having a piss, he's not even pissing on it and its not a huge monument is it and its not like hecwalked into a grave yard and pissed on a stone.
10 year jail sentences for desecrating war memorials apparently. At least that’s what the government are planning to introduce according to the Telegraph.
Smells like a populist government who Misread the lay of the land scrabbling around on Facebook to get back on the populist horse.
I don't think the guy pissing knew the memorial was there, so any news or talk about that is total fakery.
Easier to disperse a crowd if there are no toilets open in the vicinity. Why do you think they shut them first off ?, to save from damage, or to stop protesters making a day of it.
So such a tactic is undemocratic isn't it.
prolestar
haven’t yet removed the bogus clip. That’s not just stupid it’s horribly dishonest and just serves to worsen the situation they are claiming to protest.
Or you pump out as much fake anti right material you can make up to discredit the real material/cause.
I’d do that and I’ve a feeling it’s what’s happening going on my Facebook feeds.
I don’t think the guy pissing knew the memorial was there, so any news or talk about that is total fakery.
😂😂
What his pissing on the memorial was fake and his ignorance of what the memorial was is his defence?
Surely an upstanding patriot like himself would've been well aware of its significance?
“BRITIAN FIRST”
You couldn’t make it up.
People have pointed out this is photoshopping because the misspelling is not present in other photographs of the crowd (see also bra and pissed shorts).
its not like hecwalked into a grave yard and pissed on a stone.
He urinated on a memorial to a dead person, so it's exactly like that.
Pissed (or not) shorts guy also videoed kicking a policeman in the back & has been identified as a lovely guy from sunderland
What his pissing on the memorial was fake and his ignorance of what the memorial was is his defence?
Surely an upstanding patriot like himself would’ve been well aware of its significance?
Oh yawn.
Hardly prominent is it ?, in fact it could be easily mistaken for a hydrant pressure sign, or some other non descrip road sign.
I'm finding some posts on this thread quite disturbing. There seems to be a genuine enjoyment of the violence and disorder, like it is all a fun game. It isn't and someone is going to get killed if it carries on.
Still buzzing over the events of yesterday.The Fash are in absolute dissaray
I also don't find that video at all satisfying. I see a short male in a confrontation with a group. The biggest of whom punches him in the head as he backs away. His hand is open, he never forms a fist or looks like he intends to swing a punch. He falls to the ground and clearly hits his head off the tarmac. They jeer and leave him unconscious on the ground.
I don't care about the skin colour of either party. I dont care if he was a gobby little shite and literally asked for it. That was unnecessary and should be condemned not applauded.
?, in fact it could be easily mistaken for a hydrant
I'm loving that you're so desperate to defend this far right clown that you're best defence is that hes got the urination instincts of a dog 😜
it could be easily mistaken for a hydrant pressure sign, or some other non descrip road sign.
Only by an illiterate retard.
@timidwheeler weird take
In case you missed the memo the Far right have risen pretty much unopposed over the last 10+ years, with people like Farage becoming the "acceptable" face and always on TV giving his opinion. At a lesser scale Tommy Robinson with his cult following, Hopkins spewing bile on Twitter
Nothing has stopped their rise, if yesterday has to be repeated then so be it
I hope that the video I shared isn't doctored, there's no need to mislead and there were plenty of images which portrayed the horrific events accurately.
Like Kryton57 I fear for my kids, they've been attacked multiple times already over the years and my eldest is only 12. The aggression they receive increases when there's talk racism on the news. I'm glad that we're in lockdown, as I dread another call crying for help.
I’m finding some posts on this thread quite disturbing. There seems to be a genuine enjoyment of the violence and disorder,
Not necessarily enjoyment but rather a case of they get what they deserve, personally I hold absolutely zero ****s for concern over the far right tubby micropenis ****ers
I think there’s a certain amount of irony in the pissing incident but I’d say that he was urinating on the gatepost and probably due to inebriation and being a plank hasn’t noticed his faux pas.
Bet He doesn’t appreciate the irony of effectively Undermining the whole reason of the event and becoming a defining image of it.
"Just a bloke at a protest"
Lol
The politics of the pisser are, at this time unknown.
The act, however, is fing repugnant & he deserves everything he gets.
Attempts to defend the act are questionable at best & unconscionable at the worst.
Is it beyond reasonable doubt that he couldn’t see it when it’s less than 2ft from the end of his cock.....Oh yeah, well beyond reasonable doubt...
As for the Urinator, I put that down to him being drunk, not deliberate. If it was deliberate he'd be peeing onto the memorial.
I'm reluctant to assign any other motive than an urgent bladder - who wants to look like Mr Pissy Fluoro Pants at a demo?
Apparently he's handed himself in to the police.
If it was deliberate he’d be peeing onto the memorial.
Lets face it - most blokes could get closer than that and still miss. Its a shameful image but its difficult to attribute intent from it.
If it was deliberate he’d be peeing onto the memorial.
Exactly this.
As for the nazi salutes I've seen exactly the same at football matches and music gigs where there is some chanting going on.
The Daily Hate really has no sense of irony at all does it.
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From the paper that has done more than any other to make Britain less tolerant.
The picture of the guy having a wee next to the memorial...
I’m conflicted. I almost want him to have done it deliberately because it would just confirm what I already think of the bunch of ****s who travelled to London for a ruckus yesterday.
However, my initial thoughts on seeing it were that he wasn’t weeing directly on it and that he’d done the stereotypically male thing of finding some kind of a corner as soon as he couldn’t hold it in any more.
You’d think someone would have a look and say “hmm, this is some kind of memorial...oh cripes, it’s for that copper that was killed...” and quickly zip up and find somewhere else. I think most of us here would do that. However, we don’t know what he was thinking. I’d assume if he’s charged, his defence will be “I didn’t know/realise guv.” Making it the defining symbol of our disgust at yesterday’s actions may well end up with us with egg on our faces if/when he’s cleared because it can’t be proven his act was deliberate.
A lot worse was happening yesterday than some dumbass not realising he was having a slash next to a memorial. A bunch of far right idiots proved that no matter what you give them in response to their tantrums (yes, the B word that even some posters here were predicting that not giving it would lead to riots), that they’ll just keep coming for more.
Attempts to defend the act
WHAT ?. the act, the right, the something ? to piss in the street. Yes disgusting.
Or the act of pissing on a memorial while drunk, and without a toilet for love nor money.
But again im not defending anything other than the right not to be falsely accused.
“Just a bloke at a protest” Lol
From the pic yes. Obviously. Lots at this protest for a number of reasons, plus a number of people passing through,people taking advantage of the crowds to get out, any of a dozen things.
so im a bit confused as to the lol bit.
I mean looking at the pic, thats not unlike a jogger, especially with those soft trainers he's wearing. Shorts too, and a t shirt.
All in all the model of a far right thug you say 😕 with his back turned too.
I mean looking at the pic, thats not unlike a jogger, especially with those soft trainers he’s wearing. Shorts too, and a t shirt.
Really?, this is your argument for defence?
Don't take up a career as a defence lawyer, you'd be ****ing shit
I mean looking at the pic, thats not unlike a jogger, especially with those soft trainers he’s wearing. Shorts too, and a t shirt.
I understand you’re trying to play devil’s advocate here dude, but this paragraph isn’t a great look for you.
I can accept that intent is difficult to prove.
I can’t accept that it isn’t beyond reasonable doubt that the pisser didn’t knew the plaque was there.
I dread another call crying for help.
I'm most scared as Jnr is off to secondary in September, a 20 min walk from home. He's not the most streetwise and particularly I'm having to educate him not to be nosey (e.g. even looking at people can get you noticed in the wrong way), and this bit of the letting go process is scary enough as it is.
I'm probably luckier than you Faerie in that I live in a very mixed area of North London 'burbs away from any football stadiums, and he'll be amongst crowds of kids on the same journey but still...
I don’t care about the skin colour of either party. I dont care if he was a gobby little shite and literally asked for it. That was unnecessary and should be condemned not applauded.
Did you miss the video involving the Petrol comment? If someone nasty enough to even think that, he deserved it. And, if you watch the video you're referring to carefully, no one else in the group either touched him or was the aim of the Finger and other expletives, he picked on the biggest dude there, who taught him a lesson.
To your point, you are right. Violence is not to be applauded and will not solve this, and he should have been tended to in retrospect. But I think you need to have an emotive appreciation from the Black perspective to fully understand it.
From the pic yes. Obviously. Lots at this protest for a number of reasons, plus a number of people passing through,people taking advantage of the crowds to get out, any of a dozen things.
so im a bit confused as to the lol bit.
When Tommy Robinson puts out the call to come & defend some monuments from non existent BLM marchers & you still go , you get there & Paul golding is there with a Britain first banner & you stick around to get largered up.......
Yes I'm going to assume you're a racist ahole
I wouldn't bother merely assuming
@TheGreaturd
Throwing insults about are we ?. That always lends weight to any debate.Have one back
I’m afraid you’ll have to explain what an urd is. It’s not an insult I’m familiar with.
Violence is not to be applauded and will not solve this, and he should have been tended to in retrospect. But I think you need to have an emotive appreciation from the Black perspective to fully understand it.
I've been on a lot of demos.
There will always be a violent element that will attend a certain percentage of gatherings.
THAT'S HUMAN NATURE.
To focus on it, as the media are doing now, is to disrespect the legitimate and justified actions of every single peaceful individual, whether they march or not.
It's a distraction technique. And it appears to be working.
BTW, Kryton, I've found your posts on this subject to be heartfelt and extremely thought provoking.
So the DM wonders what has become of tolerant Britain
I wonder 🤔
This isn't "demos" anymore though, to put it succinctly its this
https://twitter.com/HS161UK/status/1272112006108270594?s=20
And its true
BTW, Kryton, I’ve found your posts on this subject to be heartfelt and extremely thought provoking.
Given my shitty history on here I'm not sure if you're taken the piss or not - thats a comment thats says more about me not about you Rusty. If its genuine and has provoked some thought I'm pleased it has helped, but likewise there are many others that have contributed.
I know a lot of prominent black people are posting on social media with the general context of "its not over" and certainly I'm no expert - Im very much still learning - despite my close proximity to issues but I think it helps when people like Faerie are brave enough to write down their own experiences for us all to consider in our daily machinations.
You know, It was always my aim retire to a detached house a little away from "people" in either Spain, Essex or Herts and Mrs K was always more reluctant despite the fact we both have a shared dream to sit in piece and enjoy our own company in retirement. Now I'm starting to understand why, because that means moving her further away from her culture and any sense of belonging she has.
After watching those videos - and as I say we live in quite a mixed area - I doubled checked every locked door before I went to bed last night. Makes you think eh.
its not like hecwalked into a grave yard and pissed on a stone.
He urinated on a memorial to a dead person, so it’s exactly like that.
I have no interest in defending the guy so I wont post anymore on it, but it really isnt the same.
Let's be honest, we all knew that a pissed up hooligan was going to piss on a memorial. It was a given, it was number one shot on the photographers list. They would have been in competition with each other to see who gets it first. It was predicted.
The actual (unpredicted) shot of the day was the Good Samaritan at the Battle of Waterloo.
I take no pleasure at the 'lad' getting a licking but the event was as symbolic as any statue. It sends out a clear message to the far right, if you come to make trouble, you'll lose. Most of the yobs were salt and pepper sargeants a couple of years from drawing their pensions. The events of the day suggest there isn't many new recruits to the lower ranks, whilst on the other side the numbers are growing exponentially
No mate, I'm certainly not taking the piss.
I have an extended family which includes people of various races and religions, but I had become complacent.
It's taken recent events to kick me up the arse and make me realise exactly how blind that complacence has allowed me to become.
Love to all.
Black Lives Matter is a club you don't have to be black to join, you only have to be with it to be in it.
This is what frustrates the RW the most, they misunderstand it, mistaking it for previous movements. The reason they holler 'Marxism, Antifa and far left' etc is not just because they are trolling, they genuinely don't have the tools to figure out what is going on and are being comprehensively outmanouvered at every turn. The philosophical roots of BLM rest in black thought, not Western Enlightenment thinking. Some of us get it and more of us are getting it.
This is what frustrates the RW the most, they misunderstand it, mistaking it for previous movements.
I've always marched under leftist banners:
Pro union.
Pro peace.
Pro feminist.
Anti nuclear.
Anti racist.
And most of all, anti fascist.
Equality has always been a given. So we thought.
We assumed that being anti something would automatically ensure that racial equality would just happen.
How wrong we were.
From anti semitism in the party I've supported all my life to the tacit acceptance of institutionalised racism, we failed.
Not any more.
No more excuses.
Time to listen.
As far as I understand it the block who turned up early at Trafalgar Square, then those after have rejected the SWP and moderate voices
It's a different ballgame
timidwheeler
SubscriberI’m finding some posts on this thread quite disturbing. There seems to be a genuine enjoyment of the violence and disorder, like it is all a fun game. It isn’t and someone is going to get killed if it carries on.
I am always perfectly happy to see racist scum get hit, tbf. But also, in this case it's rather lovely that they've publically disgraced themselves, especially right after all the outrage (false and otherwise) about the BLM demos, and then that their shitty "show of force" got humiliated.
I'd rather none of it had happened at all, and that we didn't have a load of racist scum just itching to come out and cause trouble... But we do, and if they must try it then this is as good a way for it to go down as I can see. Tolerating intolerance has hard limits and tbf we're past them, have been for some time.
There's been racist riots in Glasgow today, I really don't know what to say 😔
In the 1980's Margaret Thatcher took on the football hooligans, in 2020 Boris Johnson takes them under his wing.
it could be easily mistaken for a hydrant pressure sign, or some other non descrip road sign.
Only by an illiterate retard
The case for the defence rests.