BigButSlimmerBloke - Member
teamhurtmore - Member
Oh well, back to work now - the carnival is over.
So you're not Nigel Farage then?
Or Ed Balls or Ed Milliband ... 😆
The two Eds are "gone" but one ball still hanging ... 
Who is most likely to become Deputy-PM?
No such post, it was a one-off given to Clegg
@Northwind I think I may well have voted for PR had we been given a choice, Clegg was right AV is a grubby little compromise.
Lib Dems have been slaughtered as they where proven to stand for nothing and gave up all their principals for power.
Kinnock Jnr is married to the Danish PM, I didn't know that till last night. Excellent, but I wonder how that will work in practice now.
Cameron will hold the referendum (see my thread started tongue in cheek, 2 years to go we'll all be bored senseless again) and the vote will be to stay in hopefully after Cameron has secured some material changes, eg end to EU sponsored tax evasion by Luxembourg and Ireland, border controls and no freedowm of movement. Revisions to the EU Human Rights Act so we can deport people. That would be a start
So after their final bitter exchanges after the exit polls (cameron only talked about victory if it's a majority), will Ed and Yvette be congratulating cameron now?
Another thought is this peak SNP?
Probably - unless they start putting up candidates in England!
jambalaya - Member
Kinnock Jnr is married to the Danish PM, I didn't know that till last night. Excellent, but I wonder how that will work in practice now.
What the proud Danish people don't know is that they are governed Neil Kinnock by proxy with his red "mining" policy. Governed by a "miner" ... 😆
Danish people will suffer if they continue with her as PM. 😯
Danish govt once bullied Iceland long time ago but see now they are governed by Neil Kinnock ... 😆
The Kinnock dynasty is trying to expand like many of the red leaders in world. They always pass on their dynastic ambition.
Voting system is ridiculous though, SNP have 56 seats with 1,454,436 votes.Libdem = 2,362,551 & 8 seats
UKIP = 3,835,158 & 1 seat
Green = 1,139,682 & 1 seatBloody stupid system.
We just had a referendum on changing it and the Great British public rejected it. What can you do?
Will labour drop balls?
Cameron will hold the referendum (see my thread started tongue in cheek, 2 years to go we'll all be bored senseless again) and the vote will be to stay in hopefully after Cameron has secured some material changes, eg end to EU sponsored tax evasion by Luxembourg and Ireland, border controls and no freedowm of movement. Revisions to the EU Human Rights Act so we can deport people. That would be a start
You are having a laugh right? They will kick us out and we will end up with deals like the others on the periphery of the EU, they aren't going to be giving that many concessions anytime soon.
Moi, I am a EU fan - in it's proper format! Freedom of capital, good and services, people etc. Brilliant idea.
Snap.
wrecker - MemberWill labour drop balls?
That depends on the weight of the remaining balls. Yes? 😆
Boris will probably be the Deputy PM ...
Choosing Chuka Umunna to be leader of the opposition would be a mistake by Labour. He repeats the mould of privately educated millionnaire metropolitan elite with little real experience outside of a couple of years working in Law.
The Labour party is crammed with people like this. His narrative on economic / business matters has been vacuous to date and reveals a complete lack of understanding of how things really work in the public or private sectors.
Andy Burnham's not much better. He's spent months scaremongering about privatisation of the NHS but himself was part of a government that saddled the NHS with £300B of PFI debt, and as Health Secretary spent years refusing to set up an inquiry into Mid Staffs or meet any of the families that were complaining about the terrible treatment of their loved ones - had he listened earlier lives may well have been saved.
Don't make judgements on what can be achieved, Germany are in or about to breach their Euro requirements. Their budget surplus has been too big for too long apparently.
A reckon a woman will get deputy PM role, but who ?
Theresa May ?
Andy Burnham's not much better. He's spent months scaremongering about privatisation of the NHS but himself was part of a government that saddled the NHS with £300B of PFI debt, and as Health Secretary spent years refusing to set up an inquiry into Mid Staffs or meet any of the families that were complaining about the terrible treatment of their loved ones - had he listened earlier lives may well have been saved.
Airbrushing history can be a useful tool at times!
allthepies - MemberA reckon a woman will get deputy PM role, but who ?
Theresa May ?
Possible. This is to prevent Boris opening his mouth too often before he become the next PM?
There.is.no.such.position.as.deputy.PM
It was a one off for Clegg in the coalition
@Tom, note the phrase "in its proper form" - it is not in its proper form and you yourself say there will be no reform
[quote=jambalaya said]There.is.no.such.position.as.deputy.PM
It was a one off for Clegg in the coalition
It may not exist in a specific parliament but it wasn't created just for Clegg. John Prescott was deputy PM for Blair, Heseltine for Major. It's a discretionary thing.
There.is.no.such.position.as.deputy.PMIt was a one off for Clegg in the coalition
Hestletine and Prescott?
Edit: five seconds Allthepies, five seconds...
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AV was offered and rejected, PR was never offered. FPTP works for con/lab and their die hard supporters, as the figures from yesterday show, it's pretty hard to argue it's not unfair for anyone else.We just had a referendum on changing it and the Great British public rejected it. What can you do?
Trouble with pr is that no one would ever get a majority again, and if we have to rely on alliances and coalitions they can't be trusted to do that. Resulting in government that can't get business done.
Pr would work better if there were only a few parties but we have now so many 'single issue' parties, the dichotomy is that they're the ones who with justification ask for it and would benefit the most, but are the ones that mean it won't work.
@ninfan and @allthepies thanks 😳
Tom Watson has said he would stand as deputy leader of Labour party. I like him a lot, have had the pleasure of hearing him speak on Levinson/Press reform.
I like him a lot, have had the pleasure of hearing him speak on Levinson/Press reform.
Well that's a dead duck - thankfully
mefty ?
The British Polling Council has announced an inquiry as to why the polls were wrong and showed so much bias. Government needs to look at taking action on this.
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Press Reform
Pr would work better if there were only a few parties but we have now so many 'single issue' parties, the dichotomy is that they're the ones who with justification ask for it and would benefit the most, but are the ones that mean it won't work.
There are top heavy ways of doing PR, and of course there is the preferential system similar to AV which would keep the one constituency:one MP model which I suspect would be harder to break with.
Press Reform
I am shocked you think not reforming the press is a good idea. I freely admit I am a Hacked Off supporter and very interested in the subject, I wrote to my prospective MP (now elected) to ask that they support the implementation of Levinson and the second inquiry which was always planned and which can only take place after all the court cases are complete.
Can't see why free speech is hardly a minority view and very sensible commentators like Ian Hislop and Fraser Nelson are against Leveson. I even think Lionel Barber is against it too.
It seems UNITE have confirmed they will withdraw from the Labour party and form their own party. Thats a lot of funding plus the loss of MP (ie employee) revenue the financial crises at Labour deepens
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He's not the only one. Legislation to control abuses already existed, just wasn't enforced. Labour supported solution had capacity to hinder freedom of press.
@mefty, its not about restricting free speech its about holding the press accountable to a regulatory body which has authority. Of course Hislop is against it he's constantly in court as a result of printing stuff which isn't true but only the rich can afford to challenge Private Eye. With a proper regulatory body anyone could do that. You've had institutionalised phone hacking, payments to police, prison officers and serving members of the military (all public officials who it's illegal to pay)
Boris must be rather unhappy at the result. A poor Tory performance would've had them looking for a new leader... but now Cameron looks like somekind of miracle worker saviour (although it's probably got more to do with Gideon's machinations stoking house prices tbh)
A Number of whom have been sent to prison for this and yet not one journalist
A rare subject we agree on
IMHO the Press take the piss
Milliband tried to take them on/warn them/curtail them and look how they handled him and the respect he got !!!
We had a review just implement what it said.
The press will retain freedom what they will be asked to do is use it responsibly.
Clearly they cannot do this without regulation.
Nah, Boris has been given the ideal hand, CMD takes the ST plaudits. That puts May and Osbourne on hold for a while. The latter will then have to implement some real austerity (perhaps?) while the latter represents cock-ups waiting to happen. He behaves himself as an MP, builds external image and support and then fires hist starting pistol at the appropriate moment.
He might have learned from Sturgeon about the dangers of showing ones hand too early
Tory leader of the local council has just lost his seat 😀 Hopefully that's a sign of things to come - my local councillor is likely to be new leader if it is.
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Cabinet posts being accouned. Osbourne remains chancellor plus some other title First Secretary of State ?
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331...wow that really is something. I have to say, after this campaign, no one is ever going to listen to the pollsters, media ever again.
A complete pile of horseshit!
Anyway happy weekend everyone.....even JY. 😉
Of course Hislop is against it he's constantly in court as a result of printing stuff which isn't true but only the rich can afford to challenge Private Eye.
You are living in the 80s, Private Eye is hardly ever in court these days and it exposed superinjunctions so I am pretty comfortable in their company. We also have some of the most draconian libel laws in the world and there is a new regulator which is much more powerful. The fact that you and JY agree provides considerable comfort that I am on the right side of the debate. No point in rehearsing the arguments again, but you are free to waste your money on a lost cause.
On the trials, phone hacking was illegal, it was a failure of the police not the law. Re Public officials, loads of journalists have been to court and they have been found innocent because they did no wrong, the public officials did.
On Boris, he needs to build a parliamentary base to have a chance as he needs to get into the top two, which will be a very big challenge, this will take time which he now has.
ex Labour MP putting Labour's loss in Southampton (seat they held in 2005) to UKIP voting
[i]"The truth is that we were defeated not so much by a surge in new votes for the Conservatives but our failure to win back some of the people who have been Labour voters that didn't vote for us in 2010 and clearly, from the figures last night, a significant number of them went with UKIP."[/i]
Have a great weekend everyone, off to the pub for a swifty ...
Anyway happy weekend everyone.....even JY
I will need more than a weekend to get over this
Yep, maybe the deal has already been done (especially as Dave said in an interview this would be his last term as Prime Minister).
Boris gets a few years to get his network of supporters sorted, Dave 'retires' gracefully after three years to allow the next Con leader a chance to get used to the job, no acrimonious backstabbing to bring any skeletons out of the cupboards.
Happy five years, Junky!
😉
Plans revenge against the CPT
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People protesting in my girlfriends library this afternoon and in front of the town hall in Manchester.
The lefties are so intolerant of anyone with a different opinion. I thought the left was about diversity and tolerance (when it suits them!)
