the thing is the SNP MP's were elected to have power in Parliament over the UK. But the Tories will remove their right to vote in affairs over the whole of the UK. Doesn't seem right or fair to me.
Labour vote share goes up by more than Tories but power reduces its all bloody odd.
I'm still in shock my green team didn't win!!
Seeing as PR isn't on the horizon,
..no, seen as the only party who ever think it would be a good idea are the losers. FPTP got the winners in, so they're never going to be in a hurry to change
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only? Only? Con currently showing as 36%.
IANApolitics pundit but a single party getting 50%* of the vote sounds a pretty big deal.
*I'm assuming your quoted 50% is accurate, haven't looked
Relative to the 95% of seats they won.
Looking at the BBC this morning and Cons had 323 seats, now its been dropped to 319 seats and the Labs have had their seats also adjusted. Are the BBC trying to predict.....
@hora, I think he's a very able man and a strong candidate but that probably means Labour won't chose him. As the paper's said today the country might have voted for David but the Unions wanted Ed.
Opinion polls need to be investigated and regulated. IMO they are biased to predicting close results as that means more polls get commissioned. We had more than one poll every day, ridiculous.
SNPs rise in Scotland has definitely hurt Labour nationally IMO, I have no doubt there was tactical voting against Labour in the UK as a result of fear of an SNP coalition.The TV debate reaffirmed people's concern that Miliband would be a hostage to the SNP (I'll make you PM - makes Miliband look weak). The Conservatives have a majority such that there is no need whatsoever to grant additional powers to Holyrood. The SNP has isolated itself by saying no deal with the Conservatives and making the public statements they would do all they could to prevent a Conservative government. Democracy has spoken and it's voted for a Conservative government. There has been an independence referendum, the vote was no. There is nothing the SNP can do aside from make a lot of noise. It's my view there will be no move towards Federalism.
Whilst UKIP won't have many MPs they have been second in many Northern Labour constituencies and will take a share of the overall vote which will eclipse both the Lib Dems and indeed they will have more vote cast for them than have the SNP
[quote=Swelper said]Looking at the BBC this morning and Cons had 323 seats, now its been dropped to 319 seats and the Labs have had their seats also adjusted. Are the BBC trying to predict.....
Cons have 320 already with 15 left to declare, not seen the numbers fluctuate.
the thing is the SNP MP's were elected to have power in Parliament over the UK. But the Tories will remove their right to vote in affairs over the whole of the UK. Doesn't seem right or fair to me.
Labour vote share goes up by more than Tories but power reduces its all bloody odd.
No, the SNP won't be able to vote on English only laws. All national issues over the whole of the UK, like Trident, they can vote on. This makes perfect sense, any issue which Holyrood controls the SNP at Westminster should not be able to vote on.
Looking at the BBC this morning and Cons had 323 seats, now its been dropped to 319 seats and the Labs have had their seats also adjusted. Are the BBC trying to predict.....
First figure was a prediction, second current reality. The prediction is up to 328 now I think.
328 is the prediction I have seen, if you look at the map of the undeclared seats many are very safe Tory seats.
You only really need 323 for a majority as Sinn Fein don't attend Westminster
IMO the left are too vitriolic in their opinions - for weeks now my Facebook feed has been filled with hatred from left wing supporters.
It is always noticeable on here. Less so in the official party statements. You will keep core supporters through that type of rhetoric but you won't win over any half sensible floating voters. For that you need intelligent argument and logic (or a leader who can eat a bacon sandwich).
Be an interesting few years. We will have a Tory leadership contest to look forward to before 2020 as well. I assume Cameron won't want to lead his party into the next election knowing he will resign shortly afterwards. Also it will need to be in enough time before the election to allow the new leader to settle and so that all the backstabbing and negative campaigning that goes on during the leadership contest doesn't negatively impact on their chances in the election.
If Milliband goes, I hope we do get a leader of the opposition with some gravitas who can hold the government to account.
Although you can expect some tory MPs to die during the course of the next parliament.
Not enough of them, mind...
plus 1
Democracy has spoken and it's voted for a Conservative government. There has been an independence referendum, the vote was no.
Cameron can offer Full Fiscal Autonomy, Sturgeon says she wants it, but does she? She needs to find £7 billion.
Another post from me 😉
Financial impact on the parties will be HUGE. Possibly the most significant impact of the election ?
The SNP will have some £7m in MPs salaries and office expenses. Given they can't do much at Westminster that money can and will be spent on working on the broader SNP agenda of independence. Very significant positive for them.
Labour and Lib Dems will lose similar amounts, this will weaken both of those parties substantially losing resources they cannot easily replace.
Is that Farage count still not done?
[s]Democracy[/s] Campaign bullshit has spoken and it's voted for a Conservative government
It's a victory for common sense and democracy. 8)
The SNP will have some £7m in MPs salaries and office expenses
Which it will spend on MP's salaries and office expenses.
Molgrips, U OK, hun?
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Campaign bullshit has spoken and it's voted for a Conservative government
You're not wrong.
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Even if Scotland had united behind the Labour party it would once again have made no difference whatsoever. So really England voted for a Tory government and we all got one.
No, the SNP won't be able to vote on English only laws. All national issues over the whole of the UK, like Trident, they can vote on. This makes perfect sense, any issue which Holyrood controls the SNP at Westminster should not be able to vote on.
So its a Union when it suits you and not one when it doesnt 😕
I dont disagree on the principle tbh but the English parliament cannot be at Westminster using the same MPs for england as for the UK. This is not how devolution works elsewhere. I suspect the SNP would be happy with the rule change though. I dont think treating england as special helps quell nationalism. If england has its own parliament it really needs its own parliament.
Dont all the devolved ones use a form of PR?
Which it will spend on MP's salaries and office expenses.
+1, it's not an allowance like the EU, you actually have to spend it on relevant expenditure.
Lots of left wing mutual backslapping and talking to themselves
yeah - alternate that with all the handwringing and they never looked likely to impress.
@jonba - Agreed, Cameron will resign to give a new leader the chance to bed in prior to the 2020 election, 6 months before would be my guess. Miliband and Clegg are toast.
Whenever Labour lose it's bogeyman politics; the country will grind to a halt, the weak will die etc etc.
Realistically, the world will keep turning. M
Maybe Labour will do better next time with Yvette Cooper in the driving seat, with a better plan than 'we are not the Tories'?
No, the SNP won't be able to vote on English only laws
But they were elected as UK MP's not UK MPlight. England is part of the UK and the dominant part. English laws affect Scotland even if only indirectly. All MP's should be equal unless the law is changed and people can vote with these changes in mind.
Which it will spend on MP's salaries and office expenses.
Yes but what will they spend their days working on ? That was my point.
Molgrips, U OK, hun?
He's moving to Sweden, he said so 🙂
Ed Balls has gone!! By about 400 votes!!
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with a better plan than 'we are not the Tories'?
To be honest that would be a different plan, at the moment its "we are not evil Tories"
Is that Farage count still not done?
@camo they only started at 7 or 8am, they did the neighbouring Thanet seat first, very bizare 😯
[i]Is that Farage count still not done?[/i]
No...the only item of interest left now.
(before the resignations!) 🙂
Whilst UKIP won't have many MPs they have been second in many Northern Labour constituencies and will take a share of the overall vote which will eclipse both the Lib Dems and indeed they will have more vote cast for them than have the SNP
Hopefully Lab will take notice of this and start looking after their heartlands again rather than relying on their unfettered support election after election.
Farage won't win, even his big donor admitted it hours ago.
EDIT: Not expected to be second even, hence his tetchiness on TV. However he will get an EU referendum which is a major achievement. He won't win it though.
Its only fair they wait until the pub opens before they announce Thanet.
Is Keighley in yet? I notice that Labour couldn't even take Pudsey.
EDIT: Blimey, thought Labour couldn't miss that one.
so if ed is going, who are the frontrunners to replace him. Yvette Cooper has already been mentioned but who else is there?
But they were elected as UK MP's not UK MPlight. England is part of the UK and the dominant part. English laws affect Scotland even if only indirectly. All MP's should be equal unless the law is changed and people can vote with these changes in mind.
I don't agree at all, its only right that with more powers granted to Holyrood and Cardiff the English MPs get equivalent powers. It won't happen but the Barnet formula should be scrapped with he Welsh getting more money at Scotland's expense.
Molgrips, U OK, hun?
No!
Yvette Cooper has already been mentioned but who else is there?
That's the next election lost then!
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so if ed is going, who are the frontrunners to replace him. Yvette Cooper has already been mentioned but who else is there?
This is a good question. Harriet Harman?
No!
Me neither 🙁
* gives Molgrips a sympathetic leftie man-hug *
That's the next election lost then!
Or Andy Burnham.
10 more yrs in the wilderness for Labour...
so if ed is going, who are the frontrunners to replace him. Yvette Cooper has already been mentioned but who else is there?
Ed Balls would be the leaders "wife" (as he's married Yvette). As @hora posted Chuka Umunna must be a candidate but is he Labour enough ? Hariett Harman will stand.
My gut feel is the Labour party will go for Harman with Cooper and Umana in senior positions. It could be temporary with a change of leader before the 2020 election
Or Andy Burnham.
Save our NHS, Save our NHS - what do you mean you want policies, we need to Save our NHS from the evil Tories.
