[Closed] Thatcher's died according to BBC

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ding dong the witch is dead

Genuine question

If she was so bad, how did she get voted in three times?

so did Blair.

BoardinBob - Member

Genuine question

If she was so bad, how did she get voted in three times?

I assume you think Tony Blair was a great guy too ?

Perhaps even better, because at least he wasn't sacked by his own party for being a liability ?

Uncollected rubbish, black outs during coal strikes, Argentina invading the Falklands, Fire Fighters striking and leaving London to burn (until the Army were sent in), the Iranian Embassy siege......

Did you know she was part of the research team which invented soft-scoop ice cream?

Mr Whippy: take normal ice cream, replace half the contents with air, and flog it to the public for an inflated (sic) price.

Is it any wonder things turned out how they did?

Sorting out a problem you created for yourself isn't necessarily the signature of a great politician, is it.

Perhaps even better because at least he wasn't sacked by his own party for being a liability ?

He had better foresight and jumped before he was pushed?

because the worst effects of her policies were endured by those who didn't vote for Tories anyway (Scots...

I'll have to ask my working class Scottish parents why they voted for her

Saville and now Thatcher.

Great 12 months for minors.

AndyRT - Member

She was of her time. In the absence of any clear opposition that could do any better. Besides...name me one stand up dyed in the wool honest politician? it's a contradiction in terms.

Mo Mowlam?

If she was so bad, how did she get voted in three times?

Well she stole council houses from the councils and gave them away at ridiculous knock down prices, so that bought her some considerable support as a load of people with very little had suddenly been given £100-200k houses in exchange for nothing..

She also banned councils from spending the tiny income they got from the sale of the council houses on new houses, so if you ever wondered why the waiting lists were so long now, you only have Thatcher to blame!

yep i'd vote for dancing on her grave - yes times had to change but so like the current government - sharing the cost was not an option and it was a much smaller cake to share - we suffered thru the IMF bailout to bailout the already wealthy - for those that point to many years of conservative government and then ask what changed with Blair - I'd ask what would the conservatives have done that would have been of any benefit to the majority of the population

a song from the 70's that sums it up

the Quads

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Uncollected rubbish, black outs during coal strikes, Argentina invading the Falklands, Fire Fighters striking and leaving London to burn (until the Army were sent in), the Iranian Embassy siege......

I'm glad she dealt with all of those.

Argentina invaded the Falklands because she [i]didn't[/i] deal with it. Compare and contrast with policy under the Callaghan government.

I'll have to ask my working class Scottish parents why they voted for her

Scotland used to vote Tory quite a lot - Thatcher killed off the Scottish Tory party.

"Uncollected rubbish, black outs during coal strikes..."

With the exception of the last, she also precipitated all of those things

That was quite impressive for a leader of the opposition.

I'll have to ask my working class Scottish parents why they voted for her

I just hope they dont bury her at sea
Can just see the headlines
"Unprecedented numbers of people in dancing shoes washed up on Kent beaches"

[i]"This woman is headstrong, obstinate and dangerously self-opinionated" ICI personnel dept on rejecting Margaret Roberts for a job in 1948[/i]

well, she started as she meant to go on.

If she was so bad, how did she get voted in three times?

EasyP: a) she didn't as such, a conservative government did, as was clearly shown when she was latterly deposed, and b) in our rather quirky electoral system a minority of the electorate voted for her.

bearnecessities - Member
What a disgusting thread.

Might you this is fairly mild compared to elsewhere in interwebland.

It would be ironic if she died under NHS care.

"Help, I think I'm having a stroke! I need help now!"
"Sorry Madam, but there's a waiting list to be seen - public service spending cuts have hit every ward in this hospital"

I'll have to ask my working class Scottish parents why they voted for her

A very good idea - report back won't you ? Then perhaps we'll understand why the Scottish people became so determined never to make that mistake again.

Before Thatcher the Tories had a significant and extremely solid base in Scotland. Throughout Thatcher's Premiership that base slowly dissolved until it disappeared altogether.

Nowhere in the UK have the Tories suffered more as the result of Thatcher's legacy than in Scotland.

YAY! Made my day at work so much better. Party time tonight.

Sad day I reckon, some of what she did was spot on, some of it was a disaster. Her total disregard for the manufacturing industry was very very poor and wrong. What she did to union power in the industrial sector was long over due, not the miners though. They did that themselves due to poor leadership and planning. I am only speaking from personal experience mind, it was a difficult and destructive period on many levels and whatever your politics/prejudice.

Am amazed this is still going.

Before Thatcher the Tories had a significant and extremely solid base in Scotland. Throughout Thatcher's Premiership that base slowly dissolved until it disappeared altogether.

No since the early 60's the Labour Party has been the dominant party in Scotland.

Thatcher did this did she?

😆

That was quite impressive for a leader of the opposition.

bearnecessities - Member
What a disgusting thread.

I know, I can't believe anyone is standing up for her!

I can't really revel in another person's death

Thatcher is undoubtedly one of the most influential politicians since WWII

She moved the UK from a faltering manufacturing economy to a booming service led one but in doing so she pursued economic policies that turned large parts of the UK into economic wastelands, the results of which are still being felt today.

Still I wish more of today's politicians had her conviction even if I totally disagree with the outcome of them.

So RIP I guess.

If CMD and Gideon feel like committing ritual suicide to honour the passing of their idealogical queen then that would be a bonus

"This woman is headstrong, obstinate and dangerously self-opinionated" ICI personnel dept on rejecting Margaret Roberts for a job in 1948

well, she started as she meant to go on.

Bear in mind this was at a time when for a woman to have an opinion was sacrilege.

Am amazed this is still going.

*i won't speculate on the liquidity of their lunch.

she was no lady, wrecked many peoples life's.

No since the early 60's the Labour Party has been the dominant party in Scotland.

🙄 Yes hora.

I'll repeat what I said : "Before Thatcher the Tories had a significant and extremely solid base in Scotland".

Saying they had a significant and extremely solid base isn't the same as saying they were the dominant party in Scotland.

Saying they had a significant and extremely solid base isn't the same as saying they were the dominant party in Scotland.

Meh has anything that bad actually been said on this thread? Tame compared to how I imagined it would turn out. Pop over to stw:argue on Facebook for a less moderate view.

The election of Margaret Thatcher in the 1979 general election revived the Party's support and returned more MPs, but this was squandered in the two subsequent elections of 1983 and 1987. These elections witnessed the rise of the SDP-Liberal Alliance, which ate into traditional Unionist Party support, along with increased support for Labour and SNP in 1987.
At the 1987 General Election, the Conservatives had their number of Scottish seats lowered from 21 to 10, their worst performance since before World War I. They lost the seats of Aberdeen South, Angus East, Argyll and Bute, Banff and Buchan, Cunninghame North, Edinburgh Central, Edinburgh South, Fife North East, Moray, Renfrew West and Inverclyde and Strathkelvin and Bearsden.
This anti-Conservative position—reminiscent of the pre-1886 electoral position—has been attributed to Margaret Thatcher's perceived advocacy of American monetarist policies that were leading to the closure of traditional Scottish industries. This was at odds with the past Scottish Unionist position of "service to others and to the community" and was graphically illustrated by the cool reception she received at the General Assembly of the Church of Scotland when she made her "Sermon on the Mound".
By then advocating the introduction of the poll tax a year early in Scotland (where they had minority support) they further exacerbated the image of being anti-Scottish. Ironically the Scottish Conservatives had been amongst the fiercest advocates of introducing the poll tax to replace the system of local government rates.
The replacement of Margaret Thatcher with John Major did see a very small increase in their vote in the 1992 election when they campaigned on a "Save the Union" ticket against a resurgent SNP and took back the Aberdeen South seat. However, the marginality of the increase—the SNP's vote increased substantially but success was limited by First Past The Post—combined with Conservative Party divisions, Black Wednesday, the rise of New Labour, the increased willingness of the electorate to resort to tactical voting and the Conservatives' uncompromising opposition to any form of devolved legislative assembly for Scotland contrived to see the Conservative Party wiped out at the 1997 election.

Some facts for Hora to ignore

This woman is headstrong, obstinate and dangerously self-opinionated

Has anybody checked if TJ is still alive?

Apparently americans are getting confused on twitter as they think cher is dead 😀

#thatcherisdead

Pop over to stw:argue on Facebook for a [s]less moderate[/s] quite predictable and rather boring view which you'd better not disagree with.

So what did she actually do?

😆 how funny would it be if TJ was actually Maggie's site login!

Pop over to stw:argue on Facebook for a less moderate view.

Yes, seen that. Thought he was being very restrained 😉

My thoughts are with Tony Stark on this difficult day.

Too old too senile and too far in my past for me to feel what I expected to . Celebrating or taking any satisfaction from the inevitable passing of her life would make me feel churish .

Pop over to stw:argue on Facebook for a less moderate quite predictable and rather boring view which you'd better not disagree with.

By then advocating the introduction of the poll tax a year early in Scotland (where they had minority support) they further exacerbated the image of being anti-Scottish. Ironically the Scottish Conservatives had been amongst the fiercest advocates of introducing the poll tax to replace the system of local government rates.

This is probably the enduring memory of Thatcher and the Tories for most Scots around my age (36) I'm old enough to remember it clearly. Funnily enough, imposing a form of taxation on one part of the country before the rest of it hasn't been tried since.

Cannot believe you can resist the urge

It would be tempting if I didn't know from experience that the "moderator" there would abuse his powers.

I for one look forward to reading all the accusations and stories that could not be printed while she was alive for defamation or privacy reasons.

For example, what did Thatcher and Jimmy Savile talk about on the eleven New Years Eves they spent together?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/9767912/Savile-declared-love-for-Margaret-Thatcher-in-handwritten-letter.html

Apparently americans are getting confused on twitter as they think cher is dead

#thatcherisdead

I have no useful contribution to make.
*polishes dancing shoes*

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/scotland_conservatives_support.htm

For Hora

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_United_Kingdom_general_election_results_in_Scotland
to this

2 hours in hell, I hear she's closed down 3 furnaces already!

I hope her estate pays for the funeral rather than relying on the state.

wow, time flies

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/45966

Have we got Call me Dave's reaction yet? Another fine chance to demonstrate how completely removed he is from large swathes of the country

Hora does not need actual facts for his opinions is that not apparent

he is probably on pistonhead right now where he is one of the bright knowledgeable folk 😉

[i]Have we got Call me Dave's reaction yet?[/i]

David Cameron @David_Cameron

[i]Lady Thatcher didn’t just lead our country, she saved our country.[/i]

Yay! for Dave.

Call me Dave has said that she will be remembered as the greatest peacetime PM-****. Maybe if it was a choice between him and her then he's got a point.

he is probably on pistonhead right now where he is one of the bright knowledgeable folk

No I'm on here but there are some bloody good folk on there. Just like there are some dicks too. Same as everywhere really.

I shall play "Tramp the Dirt Down" by Elvis Costello in commemoration tonight. I have been waiting so long for this opportunity.

Dave will say all the "right" things. Demand a sate funeral[ he loves her obviously] then at the subsequent riots use it to beat up the labour party/lefties shirkers etc. Labour will be put in a very difficult position now of having to be polite whilst knowing their core support is probably quite happy about this [ certainly not upset ]

Will no doubt engage in some serious politics about this to benefit his agenda /dnegrate the left.
I suspect the riots will mainly be people not alive when she reigned

Hello

Pretty much agree with all this:

But while Thatcher-hate is understandable, it is futile. Celebrating the prospect of her death has become an admittedly macabre substitute for the failure to defeat Thatcherism. The Iron Lady will die knowing her legacy is stronger than ever. It will only be worth celebrating when Thatcherism is finally purged from this country

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/not-all-socialists-want-to-dance-on-margaret-thatchers-grave-i-want-her-to-go-on-and-on-8143089.html

wow, time flies

I suspect it might be a bit late

Closing:
15/02/2014

We're going to have riots this year regardless-the event that is said to spark the riots will have very little to do with the reasons behind them.

No I'm on here but there are some bloody good folk on there. Just like there are some dicks too. Same as everywhere really.

And if nothing else, this thread is doing a really good job of highlighting the dicks.

Good link Grum and this explains it well IMHO

A reasonable right-winger would accept that her 11-year rule opened up the greatest divisions Britain has experienced in modern times. Whether or not they regard that as unavoidable, they would realise that Thatcher-hate is just one manifestation of it. Perhaps if a Labour government had reduced the prosperous middle-classes of the Home Counties to mass unemployment and poverty, and stockbrokers desperate to save their livelihoods had been chased by police on horseback through the City of London, they would understand the bitterness. Thatcher hate is not kneejerk anti-Toryism: after all, there will be no champagne corks popping when John Major dies, and there was no bunting on display to celebrate the deaths of Ted Heath, Alec Douglas-Home, Harold Macmillan or Anthony Eden.

I suspect the riots will mainly be people not alive when she reigned

Not too keen on rejoicing the death of anybody. However when Tony Blair goes...

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Good,evil evil bag 😆

Good,evil

Well make your mind up

rattrap. As with all data posted up- could you post a link to the site/its source and how the info was recorded?

sorry it`s hard to type when your dancing 😆

I lived through the 70s, and Britain was in serious trouble before she came to power.
I don't agree with all her policies, but she'll go down in history as a great leader. R.I.P.

Junkyard - Member

Good link Grum and this explains it well IMHO

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What the graph shows is the value of manufacturing has fallen slightly over a 40-year period. Over the same period:

GDP 1970: £139,036m
GDP 2010: £361,846m
(adjusted for inflation)

What does that tell you about the importance of manufacturing to our economy?

Wow, I go for a lunchtime ride and look what happens!

As for Thatch - end of the 70s, something had to be done about the unions...

... but not that.

- molgrips, South East Wales.