i won't celebrate the death of a senile old woman
i will celebrate the the death of a philosophy that devastated parts of our country and codemned a genration to poverty and the death of hope and aspiration. A philosophy that put profit ahead of people and brought out the very worst in our natures.
That philosophy still exists and is still damaging us. I don't celebrate her death, but I do wish she had never lived at all.
So long to the last prime minister with principles
Name them. This is the big lie about Thatcher. She believed in nothing except her own correctness. She had no political principles at all. There was no such thing as Thatcherism - she lacked an ideological vision and just had a grab bag of predispositions.
Shame its not Blair.
Apparently, she has just been found fit for work.
*hora reported for being a tit*
*mod reply - "this is not news"*
OK now this is MAD. The PM is cutting short his European tour of doing the business of the country... why? Has her death plunged us into some kind of crisis? What's he going to do when he gets back, mouth to mouth? 4000 volts? Not kidding, there's nothing for him to do here, stay where you are and do your job Dave.
I hated her.
Not celebrating the death of a senile old lady.
But I'll raise a glass to those whose lives she ruined, whose communities she destroyed and whose hopes and aspirations she crushed.
Genuine question
If she was so bad, how did she get voted in three times?
mouth to mouth?
eeeeeuuuuuurrrggghhhh
Tyne / Wear derby this weekend. trying to enforce a mintues silence before that game would be a foolish thing to do 🙂
paaaaaaaaarrrrrrrtttttttty 8)
They surely had a policy in place for this day.
"Bong, bong, this is a staff announcement, all [s]checkout operators[/s] moderators to the [s]tills[/s] forums, all [s]checkout operators[/s] moderators to the [s]tills[/s] forums, bing bong"
She was of her time. In the absence of any clear opposition that could do any better. Besides...name me one stand up dyed in the wool honest politician? it's a contradiction in terms.
I have no particular view on 80s politics, other than hating poll tax, but then bedroom tax is not much better, and then there was window tax a while ago too. It's all the same old same old.
Dignity is not gained by dancing on anyone's grave. All it does is remind everyone of the person. No ripples on the pond would be more of a snub I think.
my local paper still leading with the important stuff;
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strikes paralyzing the economy, power cuts, rubbish piled in the streets, the UK having to be bailed out by the IMF.
You do know that oil quadrupled in price dont you in that decade hence the hyper inflation ect.
DO you think if OPEC did that today [ they wont as they know we would invade] that this govt would cope or you would blame them for it all.
Were you actually alive in the seventies Junky?
Great answer thanks for the help 😕
No one is 'made' homeless, it's something that happens as a consequence of other things.
I knew some were planning to dance but really pin dancing now
No state funeral, but a full ceremonial funeral-like the queen mum. She is then to be cremated.
So that great legacy of privatisation. Wow.
Key elements of our infrastructure (water and power companies) now owned by the French, the Chinese, the Germans and the US. Well done there!
I don't think she thought it through did she?
IanMunro - MemberMight have an extra pint of milk this evening.
I'm sure all STW posters are fully aware that Thatcher voted against that policy.
As for the poor miners, it was the unions that brought a close to the mines, not Thatcher.
If she was so bad, how did she get voted in three times?
So did Hitler 😉
A goodwin on a thatcher thread where I compare her to Hitler ....just when I though the day could not get any better
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Aye Decorum. Its the mark of the man or woman who revels in another death and more keenly if you didn't know this person.If I'm still alive when Messers Brown and Blair pass away- trust me I won't be making childish comments.
+1.
Most insightful comment I've ever read on STW.
Not celebrating the death of a senile old lady.
But I'll raise a glass to those whose lives she ruined, whose communities she destroyed and whose hopes and aspirations she crushed.
Agreed.
If she was so bad, how did she get voted in three times?
Because the Labour Party of the time was even more determined to lose and alienate its supporters than the Tories were determined to win; because the foundation of the centre left SDP split the left vote; because Murdoch was a better media tycoon than Maxwell; because the worst effects of her policies were endured by those who didn't vote for Tories anyway (Scots, Welsh, northern English, traditional working classes, state employees), which was not by any means a coincidence...
What a disgusting thread.
chapeu!A goodwin on a thatcher thread where I compare her to Hitler ....
Politics are not about personality.
I can understand why people would celebrate the day she was thrown out of Number 10 (and I do not celebrate that day). But to celebrate the day she died and to make some sort of retarded song and dance about enjoying an old womans death just seems sick beyond belief.
Uncollected rubbish, black outs during coal strikes, Argentina invading the Falklands, Fire Fighters striking and leaving London to burn (until the Army were sent in), the Iranian Embassy siege......
I'm glad she dealt with all of those.
She hasn't been a figure in politics for years now except in the bitter minds of people that were likely not even born when she was in power.
What goes on on this forum generally doesn't bother me - but I do think some of what has been said here goes beyond acceptable.
A goodwin on a thatcher thread where I compare her to Hitler ....just when I though the day could not get any better
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ding dong the witch is dead
Genuine questionIf she was so bad, how did she get voted in three times?
so did Blair.
BoardinBob - MemberGenuine question
If she was so bad, how did she get voted in three times?
I assume you think Tony Blair was a great guy too ?
Perhaps even better, because at least he wasn't sacked by his own party for being a liability ?
Uncollected rubbish, black outs during coal strikes, Argentina invading the Falklands, Fire Fighters striking and leaving London to burn (until the Army were sent in), the Iranian Embassy siege......
With the exception of the last, she also [i]precipitated[/i] all of those things - yes, as a matter of fact I do remember the strikes caused by rates caps.
Did you know she was part of the research team which invented soft-scoop ice cream?
Mr Whippy: take normal ice cream, replace half the contents with air, and flog it to the public for an inflated (sic) price.
Is it any wonder things turned out how they did?
Sorting out a problem you created for yourself isn't necessarily the signature of a great politician, is it.
Perhaps even better because at least he wasn't sacked by his own party for being a liability ?
He had better foresight and jumped before he was pushed?
because the worst effects of her policies were endured by those who didn't vote for Tories anyway (Scots...
I'll have to ask my working class Scottish parents why they voted for her
Saville and now Thatcher.
Great 12 months for minors.
AndyRT - MemberShe was of her time. In the absence of any clear opposition that could do any better. Besides...name me one stand up dyed in the wool honest politician? it's a contradiction in terms.
Mo Mowlam?
If she was so bad, how did she get voted in three times?
Well she stole council houses from the councils and gave them away at ridiculous knock down prices, so that bought her some considerable support as a load of people with very little had suddenly been given £100-200k houses in exchange for nothing..
She also banned councils from spending the tiny income they got from the sale of the council houses on new houses, so if you ever wondered why the waiting lists were so long now, you only have Thatcher to blame!
yep i'd vote for dancing on her grave - yes times had to change but so like the current government - sharing the cost was not an option and it was a much smaller cake to share - we suffered thru the IMF bailout to bailout the already wealthy - for those that point to many years of conservative government and then ask what changed with Blair - I'd ask what would the conservatives have done that would have been of any benefit to the majority of the population
a song from the 70's that sums it up
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Uncollected rubbish, black outs during coal strikes, Argentina invading the Falklands, Fire Fighters striking and leaving London to burn (until the Army were sent in), the Iranian Embassy siege......I'm glad she dealt with all of those.
Argentina invaded the Falklands because she [i]didn't[/i] deal with it. Compare and contrast with policy under the Callaghan government.
I'll have to ask my working class Scottish parents why they voted for her
Scotland used to vote Tory quite a lot - Thatcher killed off the Scottish Tory party.
"Uncollected rubbish, black outs during coal strikes..."With the exception of the last, she also precipitated all of those things
That was quite impressive for a leader of the opposition.
I'll have to ask my working class Scottish parents why they voted for her
Makes sure you use only half a quote out of context will you
I just hope they dont bury her at sea
Can just see the headlines
"Unprecedented numbers of people in dancing shoes washed up on Kent beaches"
[i]"This woman is headstrong, obstinate and dangerously self-opinionated" ICI personnel dept on rejecting Margaret Roberts for a job in 1948[/i]
well, she started as she meant to go on.
If she was so bad, how did she get voted in three times?
EasyP: a) she didn't as such, a conservative government did, as was clearly shown when she was latterly deposed, and b) in our rather quirky electoral system a minority of the electorate voted for her.
