[Closed] Thatcher's died according to BBC

molgrips - Member

Would Churchill have attacked the Russians? Really?

Britain was no good in war without alliance since WWI.

Britain against Russia alone? You might as well teach the Russian the art of tea drinking and learn Russian.

A sound minded person would not attack Dear Leaders whether they are good or evil. The left and the right are actually the same ... i.e. people in the left given the power will kill and people on the right given power will kill. Only the delusional ones think one is above the others as their maggot minds are too small to process logic.

But everyone will defend their home/family to the death. Simple.

Seem to remember he was in favour of the allies (excluding Russia obviously) continuing the war with Russia, the US having the atom bomb would have been an advantage against the overwhelming numerical superiority plus the quality of the tanks etc.

(off to find a source)

There is an argument that the reason for Hiroshama/Nagasaki was to finish the war with Japan before the Sov's could tranfer troops and join in thus taking the opportunity of having a toehold there post war.

rogerthecat - Member

Seem to remember he was in favour of the allies (excluding Russia obviously) continuing the war with Russia, the US having the atom bomb would have been an advantage against the overwhelming numerical superiority plus the quality of the tanks etc.

At the beginning yes but once they became a bit close to home (Berlin) near the end of the war, no. Because that's too close for comfort and everyone might speak Russian instead. Vodka could become a national drink instead of tea.

Yes, the West also under estimated the Russia's ability to fight back on their own but they did and gladly did so by slowing down population growth briefly.

The welfare state should go. No if or but.

What, all of it?

Or just the bits you don't use?

bermb-- that would make sense, oliver stone was echoing such in the press yesterday.....a converted republican who wised up when faced with the undeniable truth of US 'foreign policy' its a continuum since the second world war..

dangerousbeans - Member

The welfare state should go. No if or but.

What, all of it?

Or just the bits you don't use?

All of it. Yes, no if or but.

If developing countries can do with none of it then why can't a developed country with better education and knowledge? Surely there is less disease in the developed than the developing world?

chewkw-- you must be trolling.

If developing countries can do with none of it then why can't a developed country with better education and knowledge? Surely there is less disease in the developed than the developing world?

What do you mean by 'do' without it?

All of it.

If developing countries can do with none of it then why can't a developed country with better education and knowledge?

I think because people who get old and ill in developing countries tend to just die, unless they are one of the wealthy elite in those countries.

I do get as indignant as the next man when I see someone taking the piss out of the system but then I also see the good it does with NHS, school provision, benefits for the genuine unfortunate (either short or long term).

One day it could be me needing help to keep the roof over my family until I get another job.

Or need an expensive operation which I can't afford or have lost my health insurance with my job.

Plus, my old man grafted all his life and I think he deserves a bit of pension to tide him over til he dies.

Oh blimey! Maggies reincarnation didn't take long to make a return, did she? Or are you George Osborne, letting off a bit of steam after an emotional morning?

Anyway.....Where would you put the new shanty towns? With their frightful open sewers and disease?
And how high are you planning to build the walls and fences required for those not living in poverty to live behind?
Will there be machine gun turrets on motorways to stop the rampaging hordes carjacking you as you travel between affluent citadels?

So many questions.....

All sounds a bit...

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If the USA had said lets go for it we'd have been banging away the Russians, bit like the 2nd Gulf war reasoning from Bush/Blair etc "the troops are all there so lets go" (I paraphrase that bit). Was under the impression that some sections of the US army wanted to get stuck in to Russia. Conspiracy theory is that Gn Patton was not only up for it and trying to make it happen, that's why he died/killed/murdered whatever. Anyway the point being that many of the Vets dumped Churchill because he liked a bit of war and those that actually had to do it wanted someone in power who did not.

As far as Nucs on Japs go, some would say it was a lesson to the world on who now had the largest empire.

edit spelling and missing words

i take it the Blue Bitch Circus has finished ...for now...

chewkw the maggots will never bite at that troll

Why not threaten us with nuclear weapons and strict haircut rules

I feel I must warn you that there a few instances of profanity in this clip..

nice rant !^^^ 😆

A few of us will be there also.

Would Churchill have attacked the Russians? Really?

indeed , he was a real advocate of war--imperialist bully, he was not averse to sending in troops on the miners either in south wales--resulting in death...

Eloquent!

EDIT: the nice man in the car.

mt - Member

If the USA had said lets go for it

But they had a much better plan, if you remember.

Reagan announced "Star Wars" weaponry. The silly Communist State bankrupted itself trying to keep up with a project which consisted of nothing more than an amateurish video. Minimum outlay, maximum result.

Genius.

PS: I wonder who that ranting moron is. It doesn't look like a cab...

an unwitting turner prize candidate woppit - he makes a ranty video every few days and posts on youtube

[url= http://www.youtube.com/user/chunkymark ]http://www.youtube.com/user/chunkymark[/url]

he's much more entertaining and interesting than you.. 😀

He uses the word 'Ped-o-phile' so anything he says should be stricken from record.

he's much more entertaining and interesting than you.

Presumably, you don't claim that honour for yourself.

My boss recorded this and stuck it up on youtube yesterday 🙂

he makes a ranty video every few days and posts on youtube

So it's semi scripted/planned "ranting" then.

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When someone posted another one of his on FB a while back, I thought it was a one off, genuine rant and would have given it a strong 9/10.

Now I know it's planned, and he does it regularly, it just seems like attention seeking dross 🙁

I like to think that it's his reaction to current affairs..

I'm not gonna speculate on the so-called merits of the thing

So, we all like the Daily Mash, right. The Daily Mash nails it, right?

Here you go, then: http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/people-with-no-idea-who-thatcher-was-ecstatic-that-shes-dead-2013040865066

😀 hee hee

Mr Woppit was Churchill PM when Raygun was President? I meant at the end of WW2. 🙂

On the Starwars idea. Reagan had seen the movies and believed it was all possible, fortunately for us so did the Russians. 😆 Well I thought it was funny.

Woppit - love to see you in a rant reply -- just for a bit of fun like 😀

Oh that all takes too much effort. I'd rather just slip in the odd dig here and there...

I had an unexpected meeting up in London today. Pretty odd planning given that the offices were between St Pauls and Guildhall and today! They had forgotten about the funeral. So tricky to get around the security cordon on the way there. Then coming back towards St Pauls, and I almost bumped into Nigel Lawson. Shirley Bassey came next walking down the road followed by IDS and ex PM of Aus Howard (I think). Odd to see these faces walking down Gresham Street and up close. Lawson looked frail but Bassey still cuts a figure.

Policeman told me that (so far) no real trouble. He was upset that he couldnt get a photo with Shirley Bassey!

No wonder it costs so much - feeding all the foreign dignitaries in the Guildhall must have cost a bob or two. But as a US tourist said, you guys sure know how to put on a show.

Funeral questions

1) Anyone actually go?
2) Anyone watch it on telly?
3) Can anyone confirm shes definitely gone and not coming back?
4) Did it kick off?
5) Where are the tory boys who were accusing everyone of disrespect? (might be nice for them to admit that as with so many other things their reading of society at large is, was, and always will be totally wrong.)

No. Yes. Yes. No. In their skins.

No - but saw the aftermath
Partly
Yes
No
Probably in the same place as those who threatened disruption. Fortunately, both noteworthy for their absence today.

Policeman told me that (so far) no real trouble. He was upset

naughty coppers.

5) Where are the tory boys who were accusing everyone of disrespect?

Well I was one of the people that pointed out the unnecessary disrespect.

Does that make me a "Tory Boy" ?

Apparently you seem to think it does 😐

😉 brakes.

[in truth they were all very friendly and helpful - especially working out how to get round the security blocks]

Well I was one of the people that pointed out the unnecessary disrespect.

...... and I was one who pointed out that actually there was very little on here. Somehow it seems that the apologist view of disrespect is seeing her for the self serving selfish cow that she was, and that wasting £10 million of public money on a disgusting homage to a devisive and deeply unpopular PM is wrong in the current economic climate.

Its not, its just honest. Showing up and throwing rotten fruit at the cortege would, whilst warranted be disrespectful at the same time. However, clearly the trotskiest leftist, commy red under the bed hobbledhoys aren't apparently as insensitive as the arses who think todays shennigans, alongside giving the top 10% of society a tax cut at the same time as cutting benefits for the weakest and poorest in society is a reasonable way to behave.

and breathe...

Yet another day that she makes me ashamed to be British. I am sure that the (sane parts at least) of the rest of the world are laughing at us spending our last pennies on she who broke us.

You would be surprised how highly she was thought of abroad.My Spanish friends are of the opinion that they could do with someone like her to sort out the mess the country is in.

Unbelieveable - in the mess they're in?!

They're welcome to her. I'm sure she'll haunt us for years to come.

Large parts of the RoW admired here and find the negativity in the UK genuinely puzzling, Plus they are always impressed by British pomp. But its not just the Spanish who remain fans - the Evening Standard wrote that an IPSOS Mori poll concluded that Mrs T was still seen as the number 1 leader for a crisis such as the current one, with strong support from "skilled, working people."

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/margaret-thatcher-poll-still-the-publics-no1-choice-to-lead-nation-during-a-crisis-8576563.html

Berm Bandit, that's all vary interesting, but it didn't answer my question

wtf was Jeremy Clarkson doing at the funeral? close personal friend was he?

bhmartin - Member

You would be surprised how highly she was thought of abroad.

Gordon Brown too iirc. 😯

You would be surprised how highly she was thought of abroad.

well if we're judging her legacy on anecdotal evidence, i was hearing from my german colleague today how she was widely loathed there for opposing unification. as for ireland, i suggest you walk into any pub in the country and test your little theory out.

My Spanish friends are of the opinion that they could do with someone like her to sort out the mess the country is in.

of course that proves a lot. you could probably find the odd spaniard still going dewy eyed thinking of franco.

wtf was Jeremy Clarkson doing at the funeral? close personal friend was he?

Was everyone else there a close personal friend then ?

Those survey results were somewhat mixed though THM C2 aside.
Bit unfair on major as well and shows it was more about personality than ability. Brown did better than I would have thought.
As fir Spain so e persons friend does not a survey make.
I dont know what the RoW thought nor do I care much tbh

Wow... That Thatcher died? Been riding a lot.... When was that then?

Can someone bring me up to speed on the last 50 pages please? Preferably in a one liner....

So disappointing that They were all in one place yet the opportunity was let slip...
I blame Thatcher. We can't even do civil unrest the way we used to...

Anyway, time to lay this thread to rest as well.

I'm finished here.

You would be surprised how highly she was thought of abroad.

Yeah I hear she's very popular in Chile and Argentina. Oh and probably South Africa too.

So disappointing that They were all in one place yet the opportunity was let slip...

A combine harvester would have been my tool of choice I think.. 😀

ohnohesback - Member
So disappointing that They were all in one place yet the opportunity was let slip...
I blame Thatcher. We can't even do civil unrest the way we used to...

I know, with a few boxes of eggs you could have got lots and lots of [s]reptiles[/s]horrible people, including the old bag her maj herself. 😮
I bet if you egged the queen you'd get shot.

bhmartin - Member

My Spanish friends are of the opinion that they could do with someone like her to sort out the mess the country is in.

Have you explained to them how her own party sacked her ?

nealglover - Member
Berm Bandit, that's all vary interesting, but it didn't answer my question

Glad you found it interesting, its all I've got to say on the subject other than if the cap fits please wear it with pride, but please keep away from me, if it doesn't you're welcome any time on a ride or for a drink.

I thought Clarkson was her economic adviser 🙂

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/johncassidy/2013/04/the-case-for-and-against-thatcherism.html

Pretty good article

My Spanish friends are of the opinion that they could do with someone like her to sort out the mess the country is in.

Glad you found it interesting, its all I've got to say on the subject other than if the cap fits please wear it with pride, but please keep away from me, if it doesn't you're welcome any time on a ride or for a drink.

Well, I was actually asking why you were presuming anyone who finds celebrating the death of Thatcher distasteful fits into the "Tory Boy" category.

But I get it, you don't want answer. That's fair enough.

Dissapointed the argie prime minister wasn't there today to pay her respects, afterall Maggie did her little bit to restore it to democracy..... With a little help from 2Para of course 🙂

Well anyway the old bitch is in the ground with her mate Jimmy Saville now so that's that.

So what have we learned, or more accurately just remembered?All Tories are arseholes, it's just by varying degrees. Most nu-labourites are not much better to be honest although they still have their humanity intact. Just not much common sense. I do love a crisis or a death. It helps to shine a light into places it doesn't usually penetrate.

I was actually asking why you were presuming anyone who finds celebrating the death of Thatcher distasteful fits into the "Tory Boy" category.

That's not what he said. I can understand why he can't be arsed to argue with you.

It's certainly what it sounded like.

And if it wasn't what he meant, he only had to say.

Those that oppose her should be grateful that they have had it so good for so long. Without her they would have to bow to Dear Leader who would demand them mining (including alien probing ...) every ounce from the coal mine to pollute the world. Mind you this would free up NHS resources because most would simply die young mining in the pit.

Yes, it's rather parasitic when the workers kept demanding more money while non of their produce could sell apart from forcing the domestic market to absorb them. Yes, everyone can start a loss making company and you do not need a genius to do so.

If you really oppose her than please bow down to the Supreme Dearest of the Dears, King of all Dears and God of maggots because there are no other alternatives. What? Another Dear Leader? Where?

5) Where are the tory boys who were accusing everyone of disrespect?
Well I was one of the people that pointed out the unnecessary disrespect.

Does that make me a "Tory Boy" ?

Apparently you seem to think it does

Wow, you need learn some basic logic or set theory, maybe start with Venn diagrams.

It's certainly what it sounded like.

And if it wasn't what he meant, he only had to say.

Shocking how some folks say one thing but actually mean another.

Excellent eulogy by the Bishop of London as usual.... well done Sir.... very moving service, as all funerals are of course...... She did ok that Grocers daughter from Grantham.... 8)

yea was a great send off .

Excellent eulogy by the Bishop of London as usual

Is he shit hot on eulogies then ?

I wonder about that £10m figure. Is it one of those dodgy stats that include costs that would have been incurred anyway, like the salaries of all the servicemen, running costs of St Paul's etc? In the same way that you read about helicopters costing £20000 an hour to run.

airtragic - Member

I wonder about that £10m figure. Is it one of those dodgy stats that include costs that would have been incurred anyway, like the salaries of all the servicemen, running costs of St Paul's etc? In the same way that you read about helicopters costing £20000 an hour to run.

Yeap. They simply converted all the time and personnel etc into cost and then started talking about £££ ...

We pay for it ... no you don't ... you are on benefits ... we pay your benefits.

Maggie did her little bit to restore it to democracy..... With a little help from 2Para of course

The £10m figure is a guess. The government said they would announce what the total was after the event.

Shocking how some folks say one thing but actually mean another.

Oh awesomes !

I've got a stalker.

🙄

She did ok that Grocers daughter from Grantham

"I think it's inspiring that a grocer's daughter climbed to the top of the Conservative Party, after marrying a millionaire." 🙂
[J Hardy - twitter]

ianv - Member
> http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/johncassidy/2013/04/the-case-for-and-against-thatcherism.html

Pretty good article

thats very interesting, and quite worrying that the coalition seem to think that following her creed will do anything other than make things worse

particularly the high unemployment and increase in inequality

Whimbrel the fact theres 50 odd pages on some obscure biking website dedicated to her says it all, as some of the resident attention seekers are proving by their amount of posts on the subject. She would be proud 😀

ernie_lynch - Member

The £10m figure is a guess. The government said they would announce what the total was after the event.

Though, considering how public they've already been about fiddling the figures, I think it's a given that the final number will be cobblers.