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Do these public servants still get paid during strike days? If not, why don't I get a tax refund for the amount of money I've given the government to employ them on my behalf?

You can do better than that mate. You're losing your edge mate.


 
Posted : 10/07/2014 9:42 am
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[i]You can do better than that mate. You're losing your edge mate. [/i]

this.

The TdF spoiler yesterday was a far better effort.


 
Posted : 10/07/2014 9:46 am
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Mr Fappit

No, strikers don't get paid for a strike day. It's a breach of contract of employment etc.

If they do get any pay, it'll be from the union, for which they pay their membership for.

So your andrex can remain on the roll for now.


 
Posted : 10/07/2014 9:50 am
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That's a relief.


 
Posted : 10/07/2014 9:55 am
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[i]That's a relief. [/i]

I'm sure it was.


 
Posted : 10/07/2014 9:57 am
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One local school is having to make 16 staff redundant next year.

Yes, same situation in mrs rkk01's school - although from my private industry perspective I'd have to say a very legally dubious position...?

So, LEA has to cut budget. "Salami slicing" approach, 10% say off each school (i.e. cuts in each councillor's ward, not all concentrated in one area) means that every school has to reduce budget by the same proportion - irrespective of what the school roll is doing!

So mrs rkk01's school is rapidly expanding, whereas other schools in the county have falling rolls. So mrs rkk01's school has to make "redundancies". These aren't redundancies. The role is still there, the need & demand are still there, just not the funding.

Mis-management of the highest order


 
Posted : 10/07/2014 10:05 am
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[i] irrespective of what the school roll is doing[/i]

In our LEA the funding is done on a per-pupil basis which avoids these sorts of issues. Also, the LEA will direct students to schools with spaces rather than allow those that are full to create extra spaces. It's a city LEA though so distances between schools aren't that great.

I see this approach as a good example of how a non-academy based system works well.


 
Posted : 10/07/2014 10:16 am
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I'll be honest I don't particularly agree with the strike this time.

With my employer they are taking 1 hour a week off everyone which will save about £1.6 million. For me this means approx a £720 reduction in my earnings. The unions kicked up a fuss but there was no industrial action.

This time the employer wants to give a 1% pay increase, which is pretty negligible tbh but after taking 1 hour off us, I can't see them giving us anymore than this so I think this particular strike is a bit pointless really. I'd have preferred to strike againt loosing 1 hr if anything.


 
Posted : 10/07/2014 11:00 am
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I think we need more strike action from the public sector. This government are obsessed with maximising inequality and pushing all public sector (and many private sector) employees lower and lower. I don't want to live in a country divided by a massive wealth gap with a large impoverished underclass.


 
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I think we need more strike action from the public sector. This government are obsessed with maximising inequality and pushing all public sector (and many private sector) employees lower and lower. I don't want to live in a country divided by a massive wealth gap with a large impoverished underclass.

Whilst many would agree regarding the "wealth gap", the danger is that strike action strengthens the electorates resolve to vote for right leaning politicians...


 
Posted : 10/07/2014 11:38 am
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I think we need more strike action from the public sector.

I think we need a public sector that can grind and help in times of adversity and pull their weight, rather than refusing to accept change.


 
Posted : 10/07/2014 11:41 am
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I think we need more strike action from the public sector.

I think we need a public sector that can grind and help in times of adversity and pull their weight, rather than refusing to accept change.


 
Posted : 10/07/2014 11:41 am
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I think this strike is probably pretty pointless, like most strikes these days you hear comments like "minimising disruption". WTF? Disruption is the point. You have to make it big enough and long enough to matter. We did a series of one days earlier this year, miraculously they were actually succesful but it's a crap way of doing things.

I see David Cameron wants to bring in rules to introduce a minimum threshold of votes before a vote is considered valid. I wonder if it'll be more than 36% of all votes cast, or 23.5% of all eligible voters...


 
Posted : 10/07/2014 11:55 am
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WTF? Disruption is the point.

The point is to show the organisation you're dealing with that you are serious, it's a shot across the bows.


 
Posted : 10/07/2014 12:02 pm
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I think we need a public sector that can grind and help in times of adversity and pull their weight, rather than refusing to accept change

I am a Community Nurse working with severely learning disabled adults, many of whom have physical and mental health problems as well. Due to changes to benefits, the reduction in funding for agencies they normally rely on to get them through and cuts to the number of staff who are provided to support them my role is getting harder and harder.

I feel physically sick at times when at work as the avenues of support for these people slowly dry up. I can't sleep at night when I have particularly difficult situations to address (sexual abuse, children in need, criminal activities). Somwtimes I can't sleep at night just worrying about someone, what I might try next to help them and where I might look for further support.

In addition to the stress of the job I have had a 3 year pay freeze and now have a non-consolidated 1% pay rise for 2 years (this means the rise will be rescinded following the 2 years to return me to 2013 rate of pay), my pension contributions have been increased and my mileage expenses for running a car for work have reduced by around £80 per month in the past 2 years. I am not yet destitute by any means but how much grind, exactly, would you like from me and how much extra weight would you like me to pull before you're happy?


 
Posted : 10/07/2014 12:19 pm
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And therein lies the aspirations of the public sector.

If I had the aspirations of the private sector I'd clock watch all day, waste time on here, walk out bang on lunch hour to the pub and then return late to spend the rest of the afternoon killing time doing crappy afternoon pranks.

Instead I go up to 9 hours without so much of a cup of tea, spend all day looking after the sick and the injured before finishing 2+ hours late most nights after maybe having a 30m break out 15 hours out of the house. That's not to mention studying in my own time, attending courses to increase my medical skills and try to fit in management dealings amongst all that.

All that for losing cash each year. I could of course walk out and get another job but they'd lose a Paramedic with 25 years experience who still enjoys their work and takes great interest in his job. It'll take 3+ years to replace me and who does that effect? Yup joe public.


 
Posted : 10/07/2014 12:34 pm
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help in times of adversity

This isn't really a time of real adversity though. We are running a small deficit which is easily affordable and as the economy expands and tax take rises, will naturally decrease. It is merely being used as an excuse to pursue a political agenda of increasing inequality, which is a tenet of Tory / Neocon belief framework (the rich must rule over the underclass). The ultimate irony is the more they squeeze the masses, the further they push any recovery away....


 
Posted : 10/07/2014 12:35 pm
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Edward2000 if I had your values I could teach for more pay, same pension, better facilities and longer holidays in the private sector.


 
Posted : 10/07/2014 2:40 pm
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As I said before, today won't achieve anything, except lose me a days pay, a days pensionable service, and piss off my boss and non-striking colleagues - think 3 out of 10 of us are out today.

I know - as I'm in it - that there are efficiencies and savings that can and should be made in the public sector. That doesn't necessarily mean that those who are delivering the service on the front line should be paid peanuts to do it, when senior managers and MPs are seeing worthwhile increases for their part in this delivering.

One per cent of £40k is probably worth having, for the vast majority of us earning below the average wage, already on the top of our paybands, it means you get nothing. And the increase in the tax threshold is swallowed up by our increased pension contributions, let alone the rise in the cost of living.


 
Posted : 10/07/2014 3:04 pm
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refusing to accept change

The change currently being foisted upon the NHS is, in a word, idiotic. It's actually making it harder to deliver safe levels of care.

As for "grind" - I suspect you have [i]very[/i] little grasp of the daily pressures faced by the likes of dangerousbeans and his/her colleagues.


 
Posted : 10/07/2014 8:14 pm
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Footflaps - what paper do you read? That' an interesting take on what's going on.

AA, c'mon in the waters lovely!

Why do we believe that we all deserve pay rises when our productivity is declining??

Back to normal tomorrow


 
Posted : 10/07/2014 9:03 pm
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AA, c'mon in the waters lovely!

No thanks I love making a difference, its a shame the utter **** Gove is hell bent on destroying the state education system.


 
Posted : 10/07/2014 9:07 pm
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You can still make a difference and without political Fwits getting in the way!!! Perfect. If only everyone could be so lucky!! 😉


 
Posted : 10/07/2014 9:11 pm
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Not to the people I want to make a difference to. When I get a state school kid into oxford to do medicine I have done something I couldnt do in the private sector. Thats worth more than money.


 
Posted : 10/07/2014 9:18 pm
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Seems to have been as pointless as the british football team, lots of bluster and no action.

Today we had one set of gates on each entry to the local park locked,why nobody seemed to know, and public toilets locked, libraries where closed, but then the local council where going to close them anyway,bins and refuse collection privatised,so they worked, and some schools that where not academies where closed.
and never saw a fire engine on a run all day.


 
Posted : 10/07/2014 9:24 pm
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Well you could - but noble sentiments nonetheless. I bet said pupil read around the syllabus though!


 
Posted : 10/07/2014 9:27 pm
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Why would it make a difference if it was an academy or not?


 
Posted : 10/07/2014 9:27 pm
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You dont need to read around the syllabus to get an A* its a major flaw. You do need to read around it for uni interviews though.


 
Posted : 10/07/2014 9:29 pm
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Because in academies the staff are controlled by those that pay them, cause a fuss and your out damm quick, a head master and his deputy went out the door last year from our local academy, and if your read the papers quite a few get the push quite often.If they dont follow the company line theyre out.


 
Posted : 10/07/2014 9:38 pm
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Funny I've worked in two and dont see that.


 
Posted : 10/07/2014 9:56 pm
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Obviously following the comapny line then


 
Posted : 10/07/2014 10:04 pm
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Or you havent a clue what you are on about. I've been out on strike at both before and am not exactly known for keeping my views under wraps.


 
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