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Here is what he said:
I've had to make statements like this too many times, says Mr Obama. Now is the time for mourning, he says, but this kind of gun violence doesn't happen in other countries and the US must face up to that."Innocent people were killed because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun," the president said.
"At some point we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence doesn't happen in other advanced countries... with this kind of frequency."
14 times he's had to make that kind of speech.
Only one thing for it - more guns, but ban bullets.
The shooter is described by his uncle as a bit wierd and socially detached. Pictures of him wearing a jacket with a Rhodesian and apartheid era South African flag. The father gave his son a gun for his 21st birthday. Not a smart move.
great to hear him say it, will be even better if he can actually do anything about it. I think his will is there, but he is really up against it.
He said something similar last time. He has no chance of changing anything though. American's have an irrational love for their guns. I seriously doubt he could even get a law through with a majority in both houses, a lot of Democrats would vote against gun control.
There is nothing irrational in wanting a gun to defend yourself against those who are armed and mean you harm.
There is nothing irrational in wanting a gun to defend yourself against those who are armed and mean you harm.
But it is irrational to think that the threat is so great that you need to arm yourself with a gun.
Pretty much sums it up… bit sweary/nsfw if you're offended by that sort of thing.
Obviously in the case of the church shooting there was a threat. How many lives might have been saved had the gunman been shot by armed citizens as soon as he began his rampage? The same question could justifiably be asked of the terrorist attack on the Texas Mohammad art exhibition.
What do you call an unarmed person? - A victim!
14 times he's had to make that kind of speech.
Sadly I think he'll be making that speech a few more times before he leaves office.
Nothing will change in the US regarding gun laws.
To my mind, that puts him head and shoulders above a lot of recent presidents, even though he has zero chance of getting into law.
It is refreshing to hear a US politician say it but given that he has limited time left in Office, he has less than no hope.
As Chris Rock said (paraphrase): "They should make bullets cost $5000 each, then someone will really have to deserve it to be shot".
Obviously in the case of the church shooting there was a threat. How many lives might have been saved had the gunman been shot by armed citizens as soon as he began his rampage?
How many lives would have been saved if they locked the door?
None, he was in the congregation.
How many lives would have been saved if they banned churches?
the-muffin-man - Member
Sadly I think he'll be making that speech a few more times before he leaves office.Nothing will change in the US regarding gun laws.
I fear you a so very right 🙁
"How many lives might have been saved had the gunman been shot by armed citizens as soon as he began his rampage?"
Seriously ? Butter enters church opens fire armed citizen reacts returns fire concerned citizen hears gunshots turns round sees armed citizen capping off into congregation opens fire on armed citizen family man at front decides to save those around him draws his piece and starts laying down surpressing fire on the back of the church so they can make a run for the alter door. Cue making a mass slaughter out of a massacre . Gun fights involving trained individuals trying to apply rules of engagement go horribly wrong and kill innocents and friendlies armed civilian populations is just a recipe for a clusterduck.
scotroutes - Member
How many lives would have been saved if they banned churches?
You stay classy.
Seriously ? Butter enters church opens fire armed citizen reacts returns fire concerned citizen hears gunshots turns round sees armed citizen capping off into congregation opens fire on armed citizen family man at front decides to save those around him draws his piece and starts laying down surpressing fire on the back of the church so they can make a run for the alter door. Cue making a mass slaughter out of a massacre . Gun fights involving trained individuals trying to apply rules of engagement go horribly wrong and kill innocents and friendlies armed civilian populations is just a recipe for a clusterduck.
Hoi-sin?
Obama words are welcome and no doubt sincere but he's a lame duck president. Ultimately he can say what he likes but he's unlikey to change anything this far into his second term
The serious counter argument to Sandy Hook ( which was a hoax to allow the liberals to into gun laws) was to force teachers to undergo mandatory shooting lessons.
When this ****nugget is running to be the next president
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And it's partly based on less gun control, then you know we're screwed
^^[campaign motto] WE SHALL OVERCOMB!! [campaign motto]^^
Obama is right
Sadly to many americans think the answer to gun violence is more guns
You can see why they think this but it just does not work as their own history shows you every single year.
It wont change.
Fortunately, it's mostly poor folk who get killed in random gun violence in the US, so it doesn't actually matter very much, if at all.
Perhaps a bigger issue is why there seem to be so many people willing to do this. Is there perhaps more social isolation fir some and lack of social and mental health care?
Probably but it massively exacerbated by there being no laws to restrict the gun ownership amongst such people.
Sane happy people dont do sprees nor angry unhappy people who dont have guns.
Probably but it massively exacerbated by there being no laws to restrict the gun ownership amongst such people.
Sure about that?
The trouble is that due to the proliferation of guns, too many people see that as the answer to their grievances. If you change the gun laws you won't necessarily get rid of the grievances but people may stop seeing guns as the answer.
I won't happen over night. I may even take a few generations, but they have to start somewhere.
Obviously in the case of the church shooting there was a threat. How many lives might have been saved had the gunman been shot by armed citizens as soon as he began his rampage? The same question could justifiably be asked of the terrorist attack on the Texas Mohammad art exhibition.
Yeah. Because as this and all the other incidents have shown, the American policy of arming citizens with lethal array of weapons has been fantastically successful in preventing massacres. Or perhaps not
I don't think the majority of Americans carry guns everywhere. None of the ones I know do.
Quick googling found figures for Florida, looks like about 7.4% of the population have carry permits.
Unfortunately they love their guns. This couple with obamas lack of usable time left in office and the corresponding election means that nothing is likely to be done in the foreseeable future.
One way that Americans who want more gun control can influence the debate is by joining the NRA and voting down all their attempts to block moves for more control.
Nothing to do with guns.
It's more to do with the person who intend to kill with or without guns that person would kill.
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It's more to do with the person who intend to kill with or without guns that person would kill.
Yes but without a gun it would have been a lot less successful. The answer to the fear of guns is not more guns.
chewkw - MemberNothing to do with guns.
That US President Barack Obama hasn't got a clue what he's talking about. You tell him chewwy.
That US President Barack Obama hasn't got a clue what he's talking about. You tell him chewwy.
Applause! 🙂
ernie_lynch - Memberchewkw - Member
Nothing to do with guns.
That US President Barack Obama hasn't got a clue what he's talking about. You tell him chewwy.
Yes, I will ask him this question.
[b]Is this a hate crime?[/b]
You may answer on behalf of the President then I give you the reasoning.
🙂
mikewsmith - Member
It's more to do with the person who intend to kill with or without guns that person would kill.
Yes but without a gun it would have been a lot less successful. The answer to the fear of guns is not more guns.
Ya, it's like saying alcohol related death should means banning alcohol ... 🙄 You don't seem to drink yourself to death does that not mean alcohol does not kill if you consume in moderation?
It takes a little more dedication to kill yourself with alcohol.
It's really rather hard to kill someone else with alcohol.
It's especially hard to kill lots of other people with alcohol.
AFAIK it's a lot harder to buy alcohol in most of the US than it is to buy a gun [especially if you're <21].
JJefferies got the gun control thing right. Sadly I found that his rape jokes were less admirable. He's no Bill Hicks.
gofasterstripes - MemberIt takes a little more dedication to kill yourself with alcohol.
Yes, the end result is the same if you consume excessively.
The question remains ...
[b]Is this a hate crime?[/b]
🙄
Dude, you can kill yourself with water [not a suggestion].
gofasterstripes - MemberDude, you can kill yourself with water [not a suggestion].
Dude ... you haven't answered the question.
[b]Is this a hate crime?[/b]
Dude! Hi-five! Chest bump! 😆
Hmm.
*Shrug*
This aggression will not stand.
Hate is such an ugly word.
It's certainly a crime.
gofasterstripes - MemberHate is such an ugly word.
It's certainly a crime.
Are you sure this is a crime?
Define crime ... hmmm ? (further inflection of tone)
Hi-five! Dude! 😆
Just saying, like...
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Yep 11 people died from knife crime in a year, it's still much harder to get 11 in one sitting with a knife.