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Aparrently just fell into a lifeboat Hmmmm......

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/9022170/Costa-Concordia-captain-says-he-tripped-and-fell-into-lifeboat.html


 
Posted : 18/01/2012 3:42 pm
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If the company survives (share value fell through the floor this morning), they need to take a look at their recruitment procedures, methinks...


 
Posted : 18/01/2012 3:52 pm
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Even if the captain was not at fault he is heading to be the scape goat regardless. He needs to hire a good lawyer thats for sure.


 
Posted : 18/01/2012 3:58 pm
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Or Max Clifford maybe!


 
Posted : 18/01/2012 4:02 pm
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"Sorry I Fell into a life boat"

And in other walks of life ...

High School: "Sorry Miss, the dog ate my homework"

After side-swiping a cyclist: "Sorry mate, I didn't see you"


 
Posted : 18/01/2012 4:02 pm
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He was co-ordinating the rescue from the life raft.....


 
Posted : 18/01/2012 4:04 pm
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Not sure about much regarding this case but I do know one thing that speaks volumes...He was on trial before they knew there were no more survivors.

Throwing the individual under the corporate bus doesn't seem to have worked


 
Posted : 18/01/2012 4:05 pm
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if nothing else you'd think the company would get him to shut up to save them the embarassment of having employed such an idiot in a position of responsibility...


 
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he was originally employed as a security guard by the company 11 years ago with no maritime experience..


 
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he was originally employed as a security guard by the company 11 years ago with no maritime experience..

Just goes to show that with a bit of grit, determination and hard work you can rise through the ranks.


 
Posted : 18/01/2012 4:08 pm
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Its like a little britain character, shame its so serious, still trial by media though poor bloke doesn't stand much of a chance whatever the facts


 
Posted : 18/01/2012 4:10 pm
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yes, i raised an eyebrow regarding the security guard thing. Not to say you can't learn new skills but his rise to the top does seem incredibly fast. Now he starts is slide to the bottom. and yes, irrespective of blame, his company will hang him out to dry if they believe it'll save their necks. Actions so far seem to back this up.


 
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he was originally employed as a security guard by the company 11 years ago with no maritime experience..

well ships today are all run by computers, so what could possibly go wrong?

oh


 
Posted : 18/01/2012 4:15 pm
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I read that at first he behaved excellently under pressure. Then seemed to go to pieces suddenly. It's a bit of a strange case it seems.


 
Posted : 18/01/2012 4:20 pm
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his rise to the top does seem incredibly fast

I'm sure there's nothing dodgy about that. Italy renowned as it is as a pure meritocracy, where corruption is unheard of.

I wonder if there may be a few people interested in shutting him up?


 
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There'll be a horses head in his bed one night ...


 
Posted : 18/01/2012 4:29 pm
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I'm sure there's nothing dodgy about that. Italy renowned as it is as a pure meritocracy, where corruption is unheard of.

I wonder if there may be a few people interested in shutting him up?

To further Binner's point, a quick read of 'The Dark Heart of Italy' and a description of family friendly employment practices may er, enlighten.


 
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There'll be a [b]sea[/b]horses head in his bed one night ...

FTFY


 
Posted : 18/01/2012 4:33 pm
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There's a transcript of the communications between the captain and the coastguard, which shows the captain had left the ship and was in a lifeboat. The coastguard was ordering him back on board to direct operations, and the captain was asking the coastguard how many casualties there were!
He's absolutely damned by this conversation.
The principle of women and children first, established after the sinking of the [i]Birkenhead[/i] off the coast of South Africa has been ripped up by the selfish actions of the crew on this boat.
An ancestor of mine was on the [i]Birkenhead[/i] when she went down;
http://www.btinternet.com/~palmiped/Drake.htm
The cruise line involved here seem to be very accident-prone, there's no way I'd step aboard one of their ships, that's for sure.


 
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The conversation between Schettino and the coastguard would be hilarious were it not for the fact he was cowering in a liferaft while people died on his ship.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/9021456/Cruise-disaster-word-by-angry-word-coastguard-accuses-Concordia-captain-of-abandoning-passengers.html

Sch: "But it's dark on board.."
CG: "What? Is it dark and you want to go home? Is that it?"


 
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If I knew nothing of this tragic incident and heard only that transcript, I’d conclude that it was an utter piss-take ... the dialogue/script for a Little Brittan, Monty Python-esque sketch show or something.

Irrespective of who is to blame (and at first sight it looks like Mr Schettino and his crew), he was in governance of a liner that crashed and his abrogation of duty is shocking to the extreme.


 
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Just seen an article on the Telegraph's website about the bulk of the evacuation from the ship (at least on the ship) being coordinated by an off-duty captain from another ship of the same company.

[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/9022902/Costa-Concordia-captains-actions-disgraceful-says-cruise-ships-reluctant-hero.html ]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/9022902/Costa-Concordia-captains-actions-disgraceful-says-cruise-ships-reluctant-hero.html[/url]

Apparently he was only catching a lift down to another port. Qute of the week: “I and the others with me just did our duty. We looked each other in the eyes for a second and then we Just got on with it."


 
Posted : 18/01/2012 6:08 pm
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Why are they releasing these details so early? Is that normal?

Don't they usually do a formal investigation etc before pointing at someone and saying it was their fault? like Air France 447 for instance.


 
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The cruise line involved here seem to be very accident-prone, there's no way I'd step aboard one of their ships, that's for sure.

are there other incidents of interest with Costa?

Why are they releasing these details so early? Is that normal?

Don't they usually do a formal investigation etc before pointing at someone and saying it was their fault? like Air France 447 for instance.

it's such a high profile that normal doesn't really apply. He was miles off course (well, the official course) in good weather so must've known exactly where he was even if just by looking out the window. Then parks the thing in a highly visible place. 447 simply vanished off the face of the earth, all the details that were available (automatic broadcasts from the aircraft, potential air speed indicator problem, etc) were published very soon afterwards too


 
Posted : 18/01/2012 7:02 pm
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He was doing a Top Gun flyby by all accounts.


 
Posted : 18/01/2012 7:13 pm
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One of their fleets other Captains. [Img] [/img]


 
Posted : 18/01/2012 7:30 pm
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[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16615145 ]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16615145[/url]


 
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Just goes to show that with a bit of grit, determination and hard work you can rise through the ranks.

..and past all the passengers onto the first life boat off his sinking ship. 😆


 
Posted : 18/01/2012 7:34 pm
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Just found out the mother in law is off on one of their ships in a few months 😉


 
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From what I read somewhere, the second and third officers also "fell" into the same lifeboat.


 
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irrespective of blame, his company will hang him out to dry if they believe it'll save their necks


 
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I'm not a fan of trial by media - it didn't work out too well for the McCanns or Chris Jeffries. But the transcript between the captain and the coastguard doesnt sound too good, and... "fell into a lifeboat"? It'd be funny if people weren't dead, as it is....


 
Posted : 18/01/2012 9:57 pm
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“Are there other incidents of interest with Costa?”

The Costacruise line has a long record of accidents and scandal on its ships.

In 2010 its vessels had two collisions. Power failure was blamed when the Costa Classica smashed into a cargo vessel in China's Yangtze River injuring three people; the other came when the captain tried to dock the Costa Europa at Sharm el-Sheikh in Egypt during high winds, killing three crew and injuring four passengers.

Costa Europa passenger Arlene Grant, from Aberdeen, said at the time: “We were coming into port and, as we came around a point of land, the boat hit the jetty, leaving a hole in deck one.

“The captain made an announcement saying there had been an accident but to continue as normal.

“But at 5.30am another announcement was made and we were told to pack our luggage and abandon ship.

“By that time, the boat had listed to one side and things were flying all over the place.

“It was pretty terrifying as it was dark and the ship had been listing. I think this was to keep the hole out of the water.”

An unnamed maritime official blamed that accident on “100 per cent human error”, but Costa Cruises said it was due to bad weather.

In the same year the Costa Atlantica developed steering problems and a crew member was later arrested over possessing and importing child pornography.

In 2009 the cruise line was fined $35,000 for deceptive advertising and the same year saw a near-mutiny on the Costa Europa over engine problems as well as a fire on the Costa Romantica in the generator room which led to 1,429 passengers being evacuated..

In 2008 the Costa Concordia hit the dockside in Palermo in bad weather and the crew of the Costa Atlantica was criticised by the UK Marine Accident Investigation Branch after they almost collided with a car transporter in the Channel.

The waterway has a strict two-way traffic system and they had strayed into oncoming ships, forcing another vessel to do a u-turn at speed in order to avoid a crash. There were 1,697 passengers on board at the time.

The report found Costa crews had been involved in three other near-accidents in European waters.

s.boniface@sundaymirror.co.uk


 
Posted : 18/01/2012 10:07 pm
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Wrightyson fancy taking out life insurance on her?


 
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Sounds like its not the first time!


 
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http://noddleit.com/mobile/index.php?a=show&id=8819

Anyone fancy a t shirt ?....


 
Posted : 18/01/2012 11:00 pm
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Aparrently just fell into a lifeboat

Which is strange, because of you read the transcript of his conversation with the CG he claims that he was catapulted into the sea when the ship listed over.


 
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The transcript of the conversation with the coastguard is pretty damning. But it does feel like the company are searching for a scapegoat.

The company are claiming the ship was off course and had never been on that route before. But lloyd's are saying it followed an almost identical path last year as part of some celebrations.

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[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/9022442/Costa-Concordia-passed-230m-from-Giglio-during-previous-salute.html ]The other fly by.[/url]

More to this than meets the eye?


 
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the dialogue/script for a Little Brittan, Monty Python-esque sketch show or something

Very good observation---you can almost see Eric Idle & company having that conversation in a skit.
Sadly it was real.


 
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First time or not, he was the Captain of the vessel and responsible for it's safe navigation and the safety of people onboard. Sailing a 300 meter vessel less than 300 meters away from the shore, he deserves everything he gets. People died directly because of his actions.


 
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People died directly because of his actions.

So it appears. But if this was common practice then just blaming him isn't correct. Others may also bear some of the responsibility.


 
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Sorry Captain has the last call on safety of the vessel. That's the responsibility right there.


 
Posted : 19/01/2012 2:21 am
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Let's not forget he's under house arrest not jail. Bizarre.


 
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As ship's Captain he has to accept full responsibility, he was on bridge at time as well. Only mitigating circumstance (barring some mechanical failure) would be the presence of an uncharted rocky outcrop. IMO


 
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