Bloody Dave! He's just repeating stuff 😉
Your analogy is flawed.
I prefer 'stretched to breaking point'. 😀
My children seem to get the answerphone message more often these days what with chromebook learning but I do take your point Convert and I agree with you in the main which is why my kids have only missed 2 days so far for 'holiday purposes' in 7 or 8 years of school and very little sickness luckily
But what if the second half of the meeting depends on the stuff that Dave missed, but he hasn't been able to go through the minutes yet?
Eh? Do you know what minutes are?
What about if it's just in the three minutes at the end where Dave and everyone else just has a laugh and watches Minions on DVD?
Quite.
My daughter was worried about being pulled out of school for the four days before half term because she'd miss the Valentine's Day activities (drawing love potions and hearts, dancing and movies).
I'm pretty sure it hasn't jeopardised her degree prospects too badly 😆
Eh? Do you know what minutes are?
Yes. Do you know what my point was?
No idea.
It was that a kid may not have time to catch up before new stuff is taught that builds on the missed stuff. So it may cause knock on problems for quite a while.
Just like any kid who misses their homework, even those with 100% attendance.
Just like any kid who misses their homework, even those with 100% attendance.
Remarkably little homework is covering new material - most is consolidation and reinforcement.
So giving kids a little extra to catch up will cause no issues.
So giving kids [s]a little extra to catch up[/s] entire new concepts they missed in class to do at home will cause no issues.
Of course not 😉
Entrire new. 😆
Entrire new. 😆
Ummm, checks spelling...nope that's not the cause of Drac's mirth......'entire' instead of 'entirely' might be that......maybe he doubts 'entire' new concepts exist......still not sure.
Go on give us a clue, what's funny?
Oooops!
I was on holiday when we learnt how to spell entire.
Funny that you think it's something so entirely that it can't be caught up on during evenings and weekends.
[quote=winston ]Where they are is not the point - on holiday, off sick, on another useless course
It's precisely the point, because as already pointed out, if they're sick you presumably don't want them going in and giving the bugs to 28 kids - and kids almost all have some time off sick, which is normal (I tried to send my son in, but school sent him home twice this term!) Courses tend to be kind of useful things. Neither equate at all to taking your kids out for holidays.
I'm tempted to call BS on your once a week claim - except that my kids have both had their main teacher have one day off a week every week. The thing is though, one was because he was the deputy head and covered for the head one day a week, the other was a NQT and one day a week on development. Though in both cases there was a regular scheduled replacement teacher, both very good teachers who my kids liked. So BS.
Took mine out for 2 weeks in December so we could have Xmas with my family in Australia. I accept that it's a bit selfish and would have paid the fine had there been one.
Mmmm 4 pages in and nobody has mentioned that this would be less of a problem if teachers took fewer holidays. Teachers should get similar amount of holidays to other professions - say 8 weeks including public holidays. Kids should have to spend 32 weeks in core time and then have 8 additional weeks to attend in the remaining 12 weeks the staff are in. Everyone then gets 4 floating weeks - simples.
Alternatively those who can't take time off when they need to fit in with school hols could consider their career choices.
Alternatively those who can't take time off when they need to fit in with school hols could consider their career choices.
Yeah as it's that simple.
[quote=Drac ]Yeah as it's that simple.
I expect trolls get holidays whenever they like
Yeah as it's that simple.
It may not be simple, but it may be necessary.
Alternatively those who can't take time off when they need to fit in with school hols could consider their career choices.
Excellent - so no one with kids can work in the NHS, fire service, police, military, hospitality, etc etc etc?
What could possibly go wrong?
Mmmm 4 pages in and nobody has mentioned that this would be less of a problem if teachers took fewer holidays. Teachers should get similar amount of holidays to other professions - say 8 weeks including public holidays. Kids should have to spend 32 weeks in core time and then have 8 additional weeks to attend in the remaining 12 weeks the staff are in. Everyone then gets 4 floating weeks - simples.
Genius.
3 months a year where every class has on average two thirds of the group in. So a few too many for 1-2-1 tutorials but not enough to introduce any new material. The kids in are selected not by the material they need/want to cover or by ability but by where they were going on holiday.
Why has no one come up with this idea before? Can't fathom it. You need to take it the education authorities - they'll be made up.
Excellent - so no one with kids can work in the NHS, fire service, police, military, hospitality, etc etc etc?
So no one who works in any of those can take time off in school holidays?
Excellent - so no one with kids can work in the NHS, fire service, police, military, hospitality, etc etc etc?
Or, ironically, teaching.
So no one who works in any of those can take time off in school holidays?
Keep trying.
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He's fighting against the wrong people - he should argue that the holiday companys are ripping us off on non term bookings.
You're not being ripped off. No holiday company could have enough capacity to cope with all the demand in school holidays and not go bust because their planes / hotels are 90% empty the rest of the year. So, they all (sensibly) ration supply by raising prices at times when demand exceeds supply.It's basic economics.
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They do? How come Menorca and my flight to/from in non term time are rammed then?
Keep trying
Asking the rhetorical questions?
[quote=Drac ]Keep tr[s]y[/s]ing.
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They do? How come Menorca and my flight to/from in non term time are rammed then?
Because they are selling the tickets off at a loss (carefully balanced to get the planes as full as possible for the highest price they can get away with - but still at a loss) so they can get folk over to the location to spend their money in the bars/on trips etc. As I said previously low season is about damage limitation for the big operators.
Asking the rhetorical questions?
Rhetorical is the wrong word.
The kids in are selected not by the material they need/want to cover or by ability but by [s]where[/s] [b]when[/b] they were going on holiday.
[b]FTFY[/b]
And of course, all kids learn at the same pace in the same class 🙄
Is it really so difficult to consider alternatives to the current system?
Because they are selling the tickets off at a loss (carefully balanced to get the planes as full as possible for the highest price they can get away with - but still at a loss) so they can get folk over to the location to spend their money in the bars/on trips etc.
Im still comfused by this apparent exemplar of business logic. So the high prices of non Term time sold at a loss balance the low prices ans empty planes of term time how?
Its been a long day, either im missing something or i womt be investimg im Footlaps Corp.
So no one who works in any of those can take time off in school holidays?
Pretty common to have restrictions on holidays in those professions, yes.
And indeed any profession that requires a certain level of staff cover and/or is at its busiest during the holidays.
Is it really so difficult to consider alternatives to the current system?
No. Alternative thinking is good and should be cherished. But that doesn't mean you get to slide the dross thinking and get to call it 'blue sky'.
#donthavekidshaveholidaysinstead.
Pretty common to have restrictions on holidays in those professions, yes.And indeed any profession that requires a certain level of staff cover and/or is at its busiest during the holidays.
But no blanket bans on taking time off during school holidays?
But no blanket bans on taking time off during school holidays?
Restrictions not banned.
Seems like a storm in a teacup to have kicked off over holidays corresponding to the laws of economics...
As someone without kids, I await flaming by saying: fleece the breeders.
No. Alternative thinking is good and should be cherished. But that doesn't mean you get to slide the dross thinking and get to call it 'blue sky'.
It may be [i]dross[/i] and 'blue sky' (whatever that means) in your opinion, but it is an alternative. All too often, it's the apparently immovable or untouchable elements that need the focus to make changes that benefit the majority.
I don't believe the whole it's quiet when the kids aren't off rubbish. These huge companies don't rely on the extra income just from the school holidays, they merely make more money on these periods because they know they can, it's just a case of if you want to go then you've gotta pay what they say.
My stand is if I want to take MY children out of school I will do so, however as I'm not a knob I write a nice letter asking permission, speak to the right people and discuss it like adults. This coming Easter my children will require one day off as we go Monday to Monday, that will be the only day they have off this school year barring illness, so far it's 100 perecnt attendance for them both.
On a final point, some of the schools revently have moved the holiday start days compared to others, all this has done is inflated the prices for 3 weeks over Easter rather than the original 2, therefore pointing back at profiteering by the holiday companies.
as I'm not a knob
We only have your word for that. 😉
All too often, it's the apparently immovable or untouchable elements that need the focus to make changes that benefit the majority.
Such as allowing kids to have holidays with their family in term time.
Excellent - so no one with kids can work in the NHS, fire service, police, military, hospitality, etc etc etc?
Restrictions not banned.
Thank you
You might also want to expand you dictionary.com search to 'rhetorical [b]question[/b]' rather than restrict it to 'rhetorical'.
Such as allowing kids to have holidays with their family in term time.
You mean like having times when kids don't need to be there all the same time as the teachers?