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As i write this im enjoying my coffee made with fresh ground beans and the gaggia classic.I like a fairly strong double shot with frothed milk and the blue lid milk is taken to 70 degrees no more, the cup was heated with hot water and i easily get ten mins to drink my coffee.
Why is it almost all baristas now go so low and by the time i get my £2.80 flat white or cap it is lukewarm? I feel like taking my kitchencraft thermometer with me to prove its temp. You can gulp some coffees down in one go , great coffee and pattern but you dare not chat to your partner get it down in 60s


 
Posted : 17/01/2017 8:35 am
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Probably as some saddo will sue them if anything hotter than tepid touches their little mouth. You could ask for it hotter I guess.


 
Posted : 17/01/2017 8:41 am
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Personally I'll pull the water off at 90-95 degrees and take it from a, preheated, Tom Dixon mug. No milk added as I find it removes flavour and adds a milky smell which detracts from the full coffee experience.
A true barista should be able to tailor the drink to suit your needs.


 
Posted : 17/01/2017 8:43 am
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I think the milk starts to change in taste over 60c. That isn't especially hot. I'd imagine it looses 15c being poured into a cold / room temp. mug.

Being a teacher/student/parent means I can't remember the last time I had a cup of tea or coffee where the second half wasn't tepid.

I do break the STW stereotype though as, unless a special occasion or in a cafe, I'm a Nescafe Gold Blend drinker with microwaved UHT milk and a shiteload of sugar.


 
Posted : 17/01/2017 8:53 am
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Cappuccini are served "tepido" in Italy.


 
Posted : 17/01/2017 8:54 am
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Milk?

In coffee?


 
Posted : 17/01/2017 9:14 am
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Wasn't there a thread on this just last week?


 
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Posted : 17/01/2017 9:23 am
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Complaning about milk in coffee is like complaining you received the wrong kind of shit in your shit sandwich


 
Posted : 17/01/2017 9:23 am
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Where is Colin with his kettle?


 
Posted : 17/01/2017 9:31 am
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I always have it black with ice, so pretty cold.


 
Posted : 17/01/2017 9:32 am
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Wait until they've finished whatever awesome barista art they've got planned, then get them to stick it in the microwave for a few seconds.


 
Posted : 17/01/2017 9:36 am
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I'm on the cold brew here, 6/1 ratio and 24hour steep, so I suppose I'm not the person to ask about temperature and milk


 
Posted : 17/01/2017 10:07 am
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I'm a Nescafe Gold Blend drinker with microwaved UHT milk and a shiteload of sugar.

Over 3 ingredients, that's not a coffee, it's a cocktail, just add a straw and paper unberella 😉

Espresso or Americano (small ones so not too much water) are my preferred method of consumption.


 
Posted : 17/01/2017 10:22 am
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Jimjam there probably is a new thread ever week concerning coffee but im in Edinburgh most weekends wasting money in hip coffee joints. One of the best with coffee for me was peckhams but its shut down like planet x maybe its the rates there or wind of a new motorway around arthurs seat


 
Posted : 17/01/2017 11:21 am
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Personally I'll pull the water off at 90-95 degrees

Me too. Every time. Pull it off, I say.


 
Posted : 17/01/2017 11:29 am
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I haven't a clue what temperature it's at because I'm not a thermometer but because I drink black coffee, if I boil the kettle, the drink's too hot. And if I leave it to cool, I forget to drink it then end up having it cold.

So it is boiled to just the point where the kettle starts making bubbly noises.


 
Posted : 17/01/2017 11:32 am
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I swear, everyone on this thread must wear tight jeans, have a ratty little beard and styled hair. Arch-hipsters the lot of you.


 
Posted : 17/01/2017 11:35 am
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If it helps persuade you otherwise, I'm drinking tesco own brand instant


 
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I thought the water temperature needed to be hot enough to break down the structure of the grounds to release the flavour but not too hot which would scald/burn the grounds. Somewhere in the 80-90C range.

Just don't ask for tea in the States - they use the same temperature water that they do for coffee to make it, just not hot enough!


 
Posted : 17/01/2017 12:05 pm
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24 hrs to make a cuppa ron jeremy .

Bit hard to fit that in to a 20 minute tea break 🙂


 
Posted : 17/01/2017 12:20 pm
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I boil the kettle and then leave it to stop bubbling then pour if instant, if making a posh coffee in my airobie i'll leave it a little longer so it cools a bit more.

But as it's after 11 i'm on tea now.


 
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Jimjam there probably is a new thread ever week concerning coffee but im in Edinburgh most weekends wasting money in hip coffee joints.

Apologies, it was two weeks ago. http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/does-water-temp-affect-instant-coffee-taste

I wouldn't have mentioned other than I remember it was about temperature. Hardly a shooting offence, like say, starting another thread about Brexit.


 
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The temperature of the milk affects the size of the bubbles as the milk proteins denature cooler for cappucino for a more open froth and hotter for silky closed froth on a latte and flat white... Or so the tattooed, pierced, styled hipster barista in Coffee Fix Gatley told me. Their coffee is very nice.
Cups should be prewarmed on the machine.


 
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I wouldn't have mentioned other than I remember it was about temperature. Hardly a shooting offence, like say, starting another thread about [s]Brexit.[/s] B+


 
Posted : 17/01/2017 12:26 pm
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Ever drunk neat gin? Try it and then compare it to a beautifully made G&T with shattered ice, citrus oil, a (to the uneducated) over-squeeze of lime juice and a deliciously aromatic tonic. Which is betterer...?

Then add a paper umbrella and enjoy the delicious beverage! 🙂

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Did you call them a tosser?


 
Posted : 17/01/2017 2:13 pm
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Flat whites from Yorks in Brum (specifically ones made by Rich) are practically cold, but the flavour - My God!! They're so good, they give me a judder, honestly.

Sadly (luckily) he's normally working the roaster now, and I don't go past now I cycle to work so I don't go in so often any more.


 
Posted : 17/01/2017 3:14 pm
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My kettle has two standard settings, 85C and 100C. I can also set a specific temp in 5C increments. Not tried setting it to 10C yet to see if it does cooling.


 
Posted : 17/01/2017 3:29 pm
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I ****in hate people calling themselves a barista like it's some kind of skill. Translated from Italian, it's bartender. Fk off and pour my coffee and no, I don't want a poppy seed muffin.


 
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I **** hate people calling themselves a barista like it's some kind of skill. Translated from Italian, it's bartender. Fk off and pour my coffee and no, I don't want a poppy seed muffin.
^^ This


 
Posted : 17/01/2017 3:34 pm
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http://www.livescience.com/55130-how-hot-beverages-increase-cancer-risk.html
Enjoy your steaming mug of joe!


 
Posted : 17/01/2017 3:37 pm
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Ever drunk neat gin?

Yes, my brother in law drinks it neat then chews a lemon afterwards, he's Russian and part bear though so I tend not to join him.

Tried the Sipsmith vjop neat recently but only a tiny amount.

Ooh, I fancy a nice G&T right now.

Coffee, should still be black though, if it's being served to me anyway 🙂


 
Posted : 17/01/2017 3:52 pm
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I **** hate people calling themselves a barista like it's some kind of skill. Translated from Italian, it's bartender. Fk off and pour my coffee and no, I don't want a poppy seed muffin.

I'm a lowly barkeep and I can assure you that putting up with miserable bastards is indeed quite a skill. 🙂

Coffee, should still be black though

I'm a traditionalist, so black with sugar for me. 😀


 
Posted : 17/01/2017 4:15 pm
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I am with OP - I turn the dial off at 160 Fahrenheit here (it will continue to increase in temperature a little to around 165/170).


 
Posted : 17/01/2017 5:10 pm
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I always have it black with ice, so pretty cold.

Is that a thing? I bought a coffee from a costa place and asked for a glass off tap water too

"Ice?"

"Yes please"

And she put a bunch of ice cubes in my coffee. I sort of presumed she was offering to put them in the glass of water. She didn't seem to think she'd made a mistake.


 
Posted : 17/01/2017 5:20 pm
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Surely all the hot air generated when people talk about coffee is enough to keep it at a reasonable temperature.


 
Posted : 17/01/2017 5:34 pm
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I **** hate people calling themselves a barista like it's some kind of skill. Translated from Italian, it's bartender.

Indeed it is. I heard recently that it was a word coined in the 30s by Mussolini and co because the American word "barman" was becoming popular (I suppose I should say "getting traction" in a thread where people are pulling water and shattering ice) in Italy, and was deemed unpatriotic. Funny that they should have re-exported it so much more effectively many decades later.


 
Posted : 17/01/2017 5:35 pm
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Is that a thing? I bought a coffee from a costa place and asked for a glass off tap water too

"Ice?"

"Yes please"

And she put a bunch of ice cubes in my coffee. I sort of presumed she was offering to put them in the glass of water. She didn't seem to think she'd made a mistake.

Certainly a thing in Spain, no idea elsewhere. I nearly always order tea in the UK, as the coffee's usually pretty rank.


 
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@mcph no because a) it would be rude, b) because we asked why the cappuccino wasn't very hot, and c) because it sounded like he knew what he was talking about.
Why? Do you know him?


 
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I nearly always order tea in the UK, as the coffee's usually pretty rank.

I normally go the other way - maybe I'm less fussy about coffee (only drink black Americano) but any place with a big machine will probably be able to fashion some drinkable coffee. But the accepted norm when you order a brew is to give you some warm water and a teabag, so you can make your own tepid beige water.

When I rule the world, any place that claims to be 'passionate about great coffee' but can't manage to put boiling water on a teabag will be first against the wall etc etc etc


 
Posted : 17/01/2017 5:46 pm
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Certainly a thing in Spain.

As in a hot coffee with ice cubes? Rather than an iced coffee?

no idea elsewhere.

We'll if coffee on the rocks is your thing then the costa-operated canteen in the old Motorola factory in Bathgate is the place to get it, although you'll also feel slightly anxious as the building is now mostly occupied by the HMRC. The canteen only accepts cash which is a little weird given the clientele.


 
Posted : 17/01/2017 6:01 pm
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any place with a big machine will probably be able to fashion some drinkable coffee

I use one of these if I've run out of Gold Blend:
http://www.conti-espresso.co.uk/products/cc100

Makes a passable espresso.


 
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I also found that warming the cup to about 30-35 degrees is best, assuming ambient temp is 22 degrees.


 
Posted : 17/01/2017 6:03 pm
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As in a hot coffee with ice cubes? Rather than an iced coffee?

That's the one. You get an espresso sized coffee (or maybe a bit more), and a glass with ice in it. Add sugar if needed to the hot coffee, then pour the whole thing into the glass with ice. Depending on how fast you drink it it's more or less watered down.


 
Posted : 17/01/2017 6:11 pm
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I usually have a double espresso at home. Not fussed about the temp, last bit is usually quite cool. But I always warm the glass first.

When riding I drink plain water exclusively. But in summer, when I get home, sometimes I find nothing will quench my thirst except an iced coffee. It's the only time I ever drink milk. With added ice cubes, double cream, triple shot espresso, sugar, sugar, sugar, and vanilla ice cream.


 
Posted : 17/01/2017 6:24 pm
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I think I'm a bit in love with people getting angry about coffee making and the pomp and circumstance that surrounds it.

There are far more important and relevant things to give a damn about that impact your life and the world more than a guy with a beard and a pipette dripping his coffee into a cup. But let's attack the real problem people here 🙂


 
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I feel like I do!


 
Posted : 17/01/2017 6:31 pm
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I **** hate people calling themselves a barista like it's some kind of skill. Translated from Italian, it's bartender. Fk off and pour my coffee and no, I don't want a poppy seed muffin.

I honestly couldn't give a shit [i]what[/i] they call themselves, just so long as my mocha is hot and has a nice load of cream on the top, and can I have a lemon and poppy seed muffin with it as well, please.


 
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Nice and hot, please. The whole 'too hot and it scorches the beans' thing seems to be the preserve of tedious tosspots, so in protest I say nothing less than boiling point will do.


 
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Coffee making is a skill. Where I live there are lots of cafes, but only about 2 of them can actually make a cappuccino. The rest of them give you a huge cup filled to the brim with super-heated scalding hot non-frothed milk.


 
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I was given a barely used Gaggia classic the other day. I usually use my Aeropress which seems great to me.

First thing that annoyed me was you can't get a normal sized mug under the thing.... Only poncy little kids cups.

I think it's maybe lost on me 😀

Best site suggestions that tell you how to use it to it's best in a simple and non-whiny cockbag way?


 
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There are far more important and relevant things to give a damn about that impact your life and the world more than a guy with a beard and a pipette dripping his coffee into a cup. But let's attack the real problem people here

It's just a hobby for people to work their mental quirks out on, bit like cycling, cameras, cars and other common first world hobbies on here.

72.4 degrees for me.

EDIT: For Kayak you could have a look a coffee forums but that's probably way too much detail. Must be some youtube guides for a classic. Buy some nice beans first is always a good start. I would go with these:

[url= http://www.coffeecompass.co.uk/shop/roasted-origin-coffee/india/indian-monsoon-malabar-500g.html ]Monsoon Malabar[/url]


 
Posted : 17/01/2017 8:20 pm
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vickypea the other end of the spectrum either boiling hot weak coffee or great velvety flat white but no heat i just want 68 degrees.
Im guessing some baristas are thinking their ears are better than a thermometer as they play with the milk


 
Posted : 17/01/2017 8:41 pm
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We have drive thru coffee here. Genius. Decent coffee too. Long macc topped up 3/4. Poifect


 
Posted : 18/01/2017 10:32 am
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My dad grinds fresh coffee beans, hovers over the kettle so it doesn't quite reach boiling point to make his daily brew - he also claims to have no sense of taste or smell - if he wasn't so deaf I'd do the fake noises trick and present him with a watered down cup of nescafe sometime 😈


 
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I saw this in the shop last night and it reminded me of this thread....

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...I seem to remember a time when coffee was just drink not a pseudo religion.


 
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**** coffee temp at the moment . My current locale means the temperature of my supernoodles is far more important


 
Posted : 18/01/2017 12:29 pm
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I think I'm a bit in love with people getting angry about coffee making and the pomp and circumstance that surrounds it.

granted, it’s quite amusing. i can almost image the quizzical and slightly gormless look as they struggle with the concept of existential brew methods like cold brew or syphon.


 
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I always thought the coffee/tea shops drinks were lukewarm so you'd just drink them straight away and leave your seats quickly for the next customer, rather than sitting for 20 minutes (buying nothing else) waiting for it to cool down.


 
Posted : 18/01/2017 1:24 pm
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Call me gormless, but how on earth can a brew method be existential.


 
Posted : 18/01/2017 1:48 pm
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Back in the days when I used sugar, it too would be warmed as would the teaspoon. The temp drop when using a cold spoon was unbearable.


 
Posted : 18/01/2017 1:52 pm
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Call me gormless, but how on earth can a brew method be existential.

no idea, just thought it might upset the nescafe lot


 
Posted : 18/01/2017 2:02 pm
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You can't even alter the temperature of the coffee that comes out of my Dolce Gusto machine.... 🙁


 
Posted : 18/01/2017 2:21 pm
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Is "pour over*" coffee still a thing, or has that died a hipster death as well?

* a fancy hipster name for filter coffee.


 
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