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I've just read a blokes been given 9 months inside for slapping his penis on a sleeping girls face at a party. Ok pretty stupid and nasty but 9 months seems steep, would he have got the same had she been a bloke?
I'm not codoning it but prison for tea bagging?
Sounds perfectly reasonable. It's sexual assault init.
Maybe he'll find out how he likes it.
Sexual assault, simple. Waving it around in public is bad enough - slapping it on someone's face? That's weird and wrong.
Rachel
I think sexual assault has been a crime far longer than that specific act has been called tea bagging.
Well reading your description that isn't tea bagging, as that involves the bit that is more like, well, a teabag.
Even so, it's not really the done thing is it.
yeah sounds fair enough to me. maybe he'll grow up a bit now.
Well reading your description that isn't tea bagging, as that involves the bit that is more like, well, a teabag.
My thoughts exactly. Good to know we can still teabag people without fear of prison.
Always handy to check out the sentencing guidelines before complaining about how harsh or lenient a sentence is. In this case it seems he's got off lightly:
Type/nature of activity: Contact between naked genitalia of offender and naked genitalia, face or mouth of the victimStarting points: 5 years custody if the victim is under 13
Sentencing ranges: 4 - 8 years custody
Starting points: 3 years custody if the victim is aged 13 or over
Sentencing ranges: 2 - 5 years custody
I've just read a blokes been given 9 months inside for slapping his penis on a sleeping girls face at a party
And making a video of it and showing it around to lots of people (some of whom then dobbed him in 😀 )
No sympathy.
Doesn't this fall into the "banter" trap? i.e. it's the sort of thing you might do to your mates "for a laugh" and without any sexual intent [i]but[/i] you can't expect everyone to find the same behaviour acceptable.
link to original article/case please?
I heard one of my mates at uni had not too different an experience from an old p155head whilst sat down having a pint in a busy glasgow pub...
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(attempted knobslap, not teabag)
I always thought tea bagging was slapping your testicles against someone's forehead... What he did is a standard cock slap, surely...
Well that's me told not sure I see the sexual intent but ok. Guilty of being a massive dickhead sure. And yes sorry it was a cockslap not a tea bag. It's in the metro paper
His dick, not his head obviously
If any of my mates did this to me, obviously they wouldn't complain when I smashed a chair over their head in response to the banter.scotroutes - Member
Doesn't this fall into the "banter" trap? i.e. it's the sort of thing you might do to your mates "for a laugh" and without any sexual intent but you can't expect everyone to find the same behaviour acceptable.
Just craic like.
Doesn't this fall into the "banter" trap? i.e. it's the sort of thing you might do to your mates "for a laugh" and without any sexual intent but you can't expect everyone to find the same behaviour acceptable.
Bantz? Really?
Dunno, call me and my mates prudish, but I seriously doubt slapping my [i]Meat'n'Two[/i] on any of them conscious or otherwise would not go down well within the group...
Reading that and looking at the guidelines, the sentence seems about right (no aggravating factors, offence at the low end of scale, guilty plea). Surely somebody hoping to be a solicitor should know better?
Trevor Burke QC, defending, acknowledged that the act was ‘extremely unpleasant’ but argued ... that the loss of Mr Dale’s studies and future career in law was sufficient punishment.
If that's the sort of legal argument he'd have made himself, then he's no loss to the legal profession.
not sure I see the sexual intent
Why did he use his <ahem> - there's all sorts of other 'bantz' muppetry he could have done. It seems fairly clear that there was sexual intent of some form whether he consciously considered it so or not.
And I think that's kind of the issue about sexual violence/abuse isn't it - people don't realise the impact that can have - obviously we have to take it as read but the article suggests that it has significantly affected the woman's life.
Trevor Burke QC, defending, acknowledged that the act was ‘extremely unpleasant’ but argued ... that the loss of Mr Dale’s studies and future career in law was sufficient punishment.
There are enough tools who are lawyers, so he did us all a favour an Darwinised himself early on.
"Banter"? What the Actual ****? Do people honestly believe that doing any of that's a "joke" and that the recipient ought to just toughen up a bit and see it for the joke it was so obviously meant to be?
I hope he enjoys the "bantz" in the showers at his new halls of residence.
What a ****.
Sounds harsh considering some of the pranks students get up to. I awoke once (drunk and bleary eyed) at a party to find a female student on top of me and she was completely naked and in the process of undoing my belt to no doubt 'cough, ahem' run a heist on the old crown jewels. Sexual assault? Perhaps? Did I think about reporting it? Did I bu**er, but I did tell all my mates who thought it was hilarious. She didn't make a video though so that could have been different 😉
Pretty unpleasant, I hope prison is a nightmare for him
Rather than getting all worked up you could always try re-reading what I actually wrote.ourmaninthenorth - Member
"Banter"? What the Actual ****? Do people honestly believe that doing any of that's a "joke" and that the recipient ought to just toughen up a bit and see it for the joke it was so obviously meant to be?
rebel - the fact is she took a gamble doing it and that's basically what the guy in jail did - sure the girl could have laughed it off but clearly she didn't and why should she? She's done nothing wrong.
rebel - the fact is she took a gamble doing it
Not really, she'd probably heard about my reputation 😉
It's the sort of gamble that - whether such a difference is right or wrong - you can probably get away with as a woman, but not as a man. Because just as rebel did, most blokes will just have a laugh about it with their mates rather than feeling threatened.
LAD culture innit
Rather than getting all worked up you could always try re-reading what I actually wrote.
I did. It was aimed at the idea of this sort of shit being included in "banter", rather than your correctly pointing out that it is unacceptable (and sufficiently so to be a criminal act).
Not really, she'd probably heard about my reputation
Well that's where it gets tricky isn't it - different people react differently and it's not always as predictable as you might expect...
aracer is probably right though but that's kind of the point - sexual assault is rarely about gratification (which is why the lawyer was stupid to try that as a defence) but about subjugation or power. Blokes usually feel ok in that respect, particularly wrt women. Put it this way, the same incident rebel mentioned but replace the female student with a bloke and it'd look very different for most blokes I reckon.
Because just as rebel did, most blokes will just have a laugh about it with their mates rather than feeling threatened.
Would rebel have been laughing it off if it had been a bloke about to give him a seeing to? I suspect not. Sexual assault is sexual assault, whether it's reported or not.
Got no sympathy with the cock-slapper. If you haven't worked out by the time you're at uni that shoving your cock in the face of someone who hasn't specifically given you permission gets you in trouble, you deserve everything you get.
[quote=atlaz ]Would rebel have been laughing it off if it had been a bloke about to give him a seeing to? I suspect not. Sexual assault is sexual assault, whether it's reported or not.
I'm certainly not making light of it in case I gave that impression, just that as nemesis says there is a power thing here, along with waking up to find what rebel did isn't very far from a lot of male fantasies, whilst I doubt such stuff features anywhere on a female fantasy list.
I often hear about 'rape culture' among student types and found it hard to believe, however, the attitude shown by some people towards this case reinforces my growing suspicion that this kind of behaviour is seen as acceptable by some
I have been *almost* tea bagged a number of times (fortunately woken up at the right time) and all involved found it hilarious, even if I was grumpy for the first 20 seconds or so. I've seen it happen to mates who responded in the same way.
I think I have even been subject to batwinging in a tent. That was unsettling but no one has gone to prison. This probably shouldn't have gone near the police.
@CharlieMungus, I was about to suggest not by many, but then somebody else posted whilst I was typing...
Too lenient, sexual assault isn't funny, banter or having a laugh. Hope his new cell mates introduce him to some "banter", the ****.
I opened this thread seriously thinking it was about our national drink. Everyday is a school day (as they say).
*almost* tea bagged a number of times (fortunately woken up at the right time) and all involved found it hilarious,
Why would anyone want to slap their testicles on someone elses forehead? let alone find it "hilarious" ?
batwinging in a tent
I have no idea what this means, but it sounds equally dangerous.
Dunno, call me and my mates prudish, but I seriously doubt slapping my Meat'n'Two on any of them conscious or otherwise would not go down well within the group...
Well you obviously did not go to an all boys school then.
Would rebel have been laughing it off if it had been a bloke about to give him a seeing to?
We'll I wouldn't have enjoyed it very much that's for sure, but laugh it off I still probably would have. Might not have told my mates though.
There's a world away between these drunken antics and something like rape. 9 Months sounds very harsh for what was little more than a joke gone wrong. When you watch Traffic Cops or similar, some of the scrotes you see getting caught stealing cars and putting everyone's life in danger when they drive at 80mph through a city centre seem to get let off with just a caution, a fine, a ban or similar?
Ah but you're not taking into account the feelings or potential long term impact on the victim in the teabagging case.ebel12 - Member
There's a world away between these drunken antics and something like rape. 9 Months sounds very harsh for what was little more than a joke gone wrong. When you watch Traffic Cops or similar, some of the scrotes you see getting caught stealing cars and putting everyone's life in danger when they drive at 80mph through a city centre seem to get let off with just a caution, a fine, a ban or similar?
Why would anyone want to slap their testicles on someone elses forehead? let alone find it "hilarious" ?
It's quite hard to put in to words but people, particularly adolescent males have found this sort of thing amusing since the year dot and will continue to do so for as long as there are adolescent males around.
In context I really can't see it as an issue, the problem here is that the person misjudged the context and then exacerbated it with the videoing and is paying a pretty heavy price. I can't remember ever having partaken myself but I certainly had it done to me and wouldn't hold t against those who did.
Got no sympathy with the cock-slapper. If you haven't worked out by the time you're at uni that shoving your cock in the face of someone who hasn't specifically given you permission gets you in trouble, you deserve everything you get.
This.
What an imbecile, just a shame the young woman did not have something sharp to hand.
Ah but you're not taking into account the feelings or long term impact on the victim in the teabagging case.
Exactly, especially once that video had been shared round a few people.
Without knowing all of the details, this [i]could [/i]have been a case of overt bullying against the girl.lemonysam - Member
In context I really can't see it as an issue, the problem here is that the person misjudged the context
This probably shouldn't have gone near the police.
The police shouldn't get involved when a man films himself sexually assaulting a woman?
Without knowing all of the details, this could have been a case of overt bullying against the girl.
Very good point, it certainly could have.
Things I have seen done to sleeping friends at parties:
Drawing on their faces with marker pens
Application of shaving foam beards
"Does it stack?" or Jenga - balancing stuff on them
The placement of the mother's porcelain doll collection around the unfortunate snoozing son.
Things I have not seen done to sleeping friends:
Sexual assault.
...If you haven't worked out by the time you're at uni that shoving your cock in the face of someone who hasn't specifically given you permission gets you in trouble, you deserve everything you get....
^^ Is really the point, we all know/have known people with a poor grip on the concept of social boundaries, we just tended to avoid any members of the Rugby team at Uni as they were mostly drunken douche-bag meat heads who at any given moment were no more than 30 seconds from a potential Fist fight or a sexual assault charge...
I doubt the Girl who found out she'd been cock slapped in her sleep was impressed by either the "Banter" or "What about my Career" defences, not least because the act itself shows an epic lack of respect towards her, and probably triggered lots of [i]"What if's"[/i] in her mind... Classic power/control over women mindset
Generally speaking when I've been amongst friends/peers and a bit on the sleepy, pissed side (not uncommon in my late teens and 20's TBH) I at least trusted those about to not drape their cobblers on my forehead...
I was once woken on a sofa by a mate attempting to staple my jeans to my arse, and I guess at the time I did take that as "Bantz" given the circumstances, and the nature of our friendship. It wouldn't have been cool if it had been a stranger waking up in this way though...
And if my mate had woken me with his Todger on my Noggin it would probably mean we were no longer going to be mates...
I'd treat this as a life lesson at someone else's expense: know the boundaries, and if in doubt err on the side of caution, and just don't get your knob out...
[quote=rebel12 ]There's a world away between these drunken antics and something like rape. 9 Months sounds very harsh for what was little more than a joke gone wrong.
Which is why the sentencing range for rape is 4-8 years for the least serious offences
How much do you think the victim is laughing?
[quote=lemonysam ]It's quite hard to put in to words but people, particularly adolescent males have found this sort of thing amusing since the year dot and will continue to do so for as long as there are adolescent males around.
Not that it would be any excuse if he was (though in that case it would have been treated totally differently), but the offender wasn't an adolescent male.
and just don't get your knob out...
That's a very good PG Tip.
Good god if cock slapping is a serious offence we better lock up half the British forces.
Outwith the confines of your personal relationships, this is sound advise! 😆cookeaa - Member
just don't get your knob out...
Do we now have the "everybody does it" defence?
but the offender wasn't an adolescent male.
He was 21, I can think of plenty of 21 year olds I'd call adolescent and can see no reason to say definitively that he wasn't.
Do we now have the "everybody does it" defence?
No, obviously not - I don't think anyone has said that.
My wife's a primary teacher and in assembly the head said "I hear there has been some silliness going on during playtime. All this teabagging must stop!"
The teachers were pi$$ing themselves! Not sure what she thought it is, but I'd be worried if primary age kids were doing that!
21yo studying criminology in an adult world. I'm not sure that lack of emotional development is a terribly good defence either.
I've managed to reach 46 years old without knowing what tea-bagging was! Heard and seen it mentioned numerous times but I was too scared to ask what it was.
You certainly don't want to know about tromboning, double bassing, or seagulling then vicky.
Personally I think that If you lobbed your cobblers out in someones face, I don't think think you can have any complaints about what happens to you subsequently. Whether that be prison, having the living crap kicked out of you by the girl concerned's angry brothers, or mates, or any unfortunate incidents involving garden shears
People who think that this kind of thing is acceptable, and even funny, are generally the ones i can remember from Uni. Invariably boorish, home counties, entitled, rugger bugger ****s, who were in a permanent state of arrested development from the age of about 13, and who were in desperate need of a good shoe-ing. And inevitably got one, when they crossed lines such as this
I don't understand why this crime is worthy of a 9 month sentence inside, when [url= http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/local-news/gang-who-tortured-teen-for-three-900728 ]this[/url] is given community service. Vulnerable autistic boy filmed on a mobile beaing beaten up by three people including stamping on his head, rubbed down with sandpaper, pubes 'waxed' using gaffer tape, forced to drink booze and smeared with dog shit.
Also last I heard this delightful act was called 'mushrooming', not 'teabagging'.
Docking! Definitely don't do Google images of that 😯
Wow, I'm grateful to have grown up during a time before mobile phones. I think it's the filming and sharing that turns these occasions into bullying.
It was a fairly common occurrence in my drinking years (can't say it crossed the sexes though, perhaps that's different?). But without it being on film it only exists in people's consciousness for a few seconds and then it's forgotten.
They should keep the stocks for this sort of boorish behaviour, teach someone right from wrong but don't ruin their lives over it.
Binners- thankfully I wasn't aware of many of those types when I was at University (Manchester)!
I thought tea bagging was dipping them into the other ones mouth?
Anyway, whatever it is - regional differnces? - you just don't do it. If he'd put his cock in the mouth of someone asleep it would be rape.
Isn't this the sort of thing they do on Jackass? I remember lads at school doing crap like this to each other.
Never at uni though. But I was always the one passed out somewhere so maybe I just never knew about it.
That's the end of rugby.
I'm not sure that lack of emotional development is a terribly good defence either.
I wasn't trying to defend him, I was responding to this:
Why would anyone want to slap their testicles on someone elses forehead? let alone find it "hilarious" ?
I have a friend whose brother went on holiday with a bunch of lads.
He arrived back at his room late at night to find his roommate passed out in bed and had the brain wave to crap in a pint glass and then throw it under the covers of his sleeping friend.
Next morning he woke up to find his friend frantically cleaning up thinking he had soiled the bed.
And not wanting to suffer the rest of the group knowing he bribed my friends brother paying for his drinks and meals for the rest of the holiday.
A couple of months later my friends brother could not keep it a secret no longer and told someone what he had done and It quickly got back to the his mate who kicked the crap out of him and they no longer talk.
I have no sympathy for the guy at all. However at the same time I'm glad there where no mobile phone cameras etc when I was at Uni. We've all done stupid stuff you just have to know what lines not to cross (and not to be so wasted your judgement is totally lost) and doing what he did is crossing that line.
A lot of people live in a very black and white world on here. But the world isn't like that. We don't really know the exact circumstances and context is everything. Comparing this to rape is seriously trivialising rape though.
Docking! Definitely don't do Google images of that
Just did. Got an image of a fat bloke with an ipad 😀
That most certainly comes under sexual assault, whether the bloke(s) thought it was funny or not to them is immaterial.
The correct word for this is "Swaffeling" from the Dutch word "Swaffelen".
In 2008, those crazy Dutch guys voted it "word of the year".
It means to slap ones cock against someone or something.
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We don't know the full circumstances, but if someone did that to me I'd be seriously upset!
Have you never played "What's Hitting Me?", the parlour game where someone is blindfolded and has to guess what they're being hit with??
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The baseball bat being the easiest one to guess?
I suppose, like so many things in life, context is everything
If it was a normal house party with modern hipster arty farty type students, then I can see this sort of thing being frowned upon
On the other hand, had it been on an agricultural college rugby tour...
('Scuse me while I drop into the corner rocking from partial flashbacks)
A daily fail link.
It only came to light because his mate filmed it who then showed his work mates who reported it to Police. They obviously didn't find the footage light-hearted.
Now, 'we've all done silly things when we are drunk at Uni. Jeez, I can remember laying flat on a pavement and laughing at the night sky with my best mate as people stepped over us and rolling down the biggest hill repeatably for laughs- the Police stopped and asked us if we were mental.
That doesn't include: helping yourself to a incapacitated or sleeping lady.
I had a girlfriend who told me the night before some creep at a party had crawled up to her while was talking to someone and licked her ankle. I had been at a club with friends but she rang me up first thing in the morning quite freaked out about it.
I immediately went around to the address where the party was but he was gone and the people who new him insisted he was a nice guy and it was a joke. This bloke lived over hundred miles away and was visiting family who were friends of the people who had the party.
If he had stuck his cock in my girlfriends face I would have driven the hundred miles to speak to him.
And anyone who thinks this is ok is a dick.
If it happened to someone you cared about you would be seething.
A lot of people live in a very black and white world on here. But the world isn't like that. We don't really know the exact circumstances and context is everything. Comparing this to rape is seriously trivialising rape though.
But he's been convicted of Sexual Assault and not Rape, to play down the act of shoving your genitals on a sleeping girls face as "Banter" [i]seriously trivialises[/i] Sexual Assault...
I'd love to know under which "exact circumstances and context" you think flopping your cock on a passed out girls head is within the bounds of social acceptability...
I'm afraid it is quite a "black and white" incident TBH
The Perpetrator exposed and placed his genitals in direct contact with The victim, who was not a willing (or conscious) participant in the act, it's sexual assault. Stupidity is no defence...