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You think the Independent Police Complaints Commission should be quicker when they "carefully consider evidence gathered [b]so far[/b]"?
You missed out the so far bit.
Yes, almost 5 weeks to look at some camera footage, statements and taser procedures before getting to the "advising them that their conduct is under investigation" bit.
Well yes, I thought it was obvious that they had only carefully considered the evidence gathered "so far". Apparently part of the investigation included conducting house-to-house inquiries, obtaining statements from a number of witnesses and collecting guidance, procedures and policies over the use of the Taser.
I have no idea how long that usually takes. I have a much more authoritative opinion on how to swing a hammer than on crime investigation.
That video was funny and shocking. Is it police policy to use poor such poor instinctive shooting that you hit someone in the face, potentially give them serious eye damage - when there is the comparatively huge torso to hit? She fired that thing like she was a kid playing John Wayne with a water pistol. "Taser. Taser. Taser" errr yeah?
Some people are really not cut out to be police.
No argument there Jamie.
Sorry office I am not the person you are looking for.. My name is John Smith, if you would like proof here’s my ID.Ok thanks, have a nice day and I hope you find the guy you are looking for.
All done – 30 seconds. Not that difficult.
Just read through this thread, I thought it might have resurfaced after the video of the police dealing with the bloke in Bristol, and I noticed a number of posters mentioning ID.
As far as I’m aware, in the UK there is absolutely no requirement for any citizen to carry any form of ID, and it’s entirely possible that the gentleman involved in the situation that started this thread did not carry ID; he almost certainly, at 71, did not have a car or driver’s licence, or carry a passport, (and why would he).
If anyone can suggest what form of ID a person who doesn’t possess either of those two items might habitually carry that’s an acceptable form of ID, I’d be interested in knowing what it is.
My g/f, for example, carries no ID at all, she does have a valid passport, (she lived in the Irish Republic for nine years, but, like the greater majority of people doesn’t carry it and has no need to, and is disallowed from having a driver’s licence for medical reasons.
So what should she be expected to produce if asked for ID?
"http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-42790629"
Huh. It says the force now has a dedicated lead for autism... Seems like what they actually needed here was a dedicated lead for not making shit up
Saw this today then see this thread making me notice the incident from a year ago!
This is the future people... 🙁
The taser is "sold" as a non lethal method of incapacitating someone. That alone means some cops are more inclined to use it and will use it more.
I've no doubt 10 years from now it will be a near enough default method of tackling anyone that is even slightly more than being verbally uncooperative.
A cop pushes a belligerent bystander away, he's still belligerent... tasered.
Someone attempts to run after a very minor transgression... taser.
You give cops a baton it will sometimes get used without need. Tasers are just a weapons upgrade.
There was a great documentary on the rising use of non lethal weapons to laugpa a person or even a whole populous. It's an insidious method and it will "mission creep" into the default.
My experience of cops? Some are very decent people. Others either hate their job or the public...or both.
To be honest I think it's fair to say that many cops will massage the truth a little if necessary... Until a video recording happens to turn up...
Not risking editing !
I meant to type "pacify a person or population"
dedicated lead for not making shit up
the two officers must have colluded on their statements.......
The IOPC carried out an investigation and cleared the police officers involved in the arrest of wrongdoing. However, it did criticise another officer over the failure to produce the CCTV footage.
from the Grauniad, when the oversight of these kind of incidents is so blatantly biased bollox we are all in trouble.
I looked at the original article linked by the OP.
I was shocked, but more so by the most read headline linked at the bottom of the page:
Greggs in Broadmead closed for two days 'after customer went to toilet on the floor'
Its a strange world
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I looked at the original article linked by the OP.I was shocked, but more so by the most read headline linked at the bottom of the page:
Greggs in Broadmead closed for two days ‘after customer went to toilet on the floor’
Its a strange world
Having lived in Bristol for a few years that really doesn't surprise me. 😀 heckuva place
just wondering which forumite will be first to get tazered for going through a red light
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/bristol-police-taser-autistic-man-1143200
from the Grauniad, when the oversight of these kind of incidents is so blatantly biased bollox we are all in trouble.
Yeah, I can accept that the police make mistakes, because they're human. What I can't accept is lying about it.
It's all well and good for you middle class IT consultants to cast judgement from behind your ipad pros while sipping your morning espresso....but it's a different world when you're working the beat on the mean streets of Bristol. Out there, you don't have the benefit of CCTVs or instant replays, you don't get another chance if you get it wrong. Anyone could be concealing a weapon, ready to shoot you, beat you or stab you at any minute which is why, when confronted with a shirtless man, with the mental age of seven, with his hands up, and there are two of you and he's alone, this is why you taser him the first chance you get. Do you want to get a sprained ankle or a black eye struggling with someone who has a mental age of seven? No you do not.
Taser first, taser again. Maybe taser some more. Ask questions later.
Taser first, taser again. Maybe taser some more. lie about it later.
FIFY
At first reading the thought of tasering an autistic man who appears to present no threat didn't sit well with me.
But then I thought of an incident with my 8 year old son a few nights ago. He's overtired from school and swimming and for various reasons has been banned from his Xbox. Trying to get him to go to bed, he loses his temper, starts kicking and hitting at me. I'm carefully restraining him and obviously not retaliating, but there was no reasoning with him at all to get him to stop. I could only wait until he naturally calmed down.
To go through that same situation with a drunk full grown 24 year old man? I think I'd have tasered him as well simply to prevent injury to myself.
I'd have tasered the kid too.
To go through that same situation with a drunk full grown 24 year old man? I think I’d have tasered him as well simply to prevent injury to myself.
yeah but would then be prepared to "railroad" an austistic 7 year old, albeit in a 24 year olds body, to justify your actions ?
To go through that same situation with a drunk full grown 24 year old man? I think I’d have tasered him as well simply to prevent injury to myself.
huh... missed the bit about him being drunk, what a incredible high risk to 2 highly trained experienced police officers that must be.. tazer all the (allegedly) drunk mentally handicapped people now!
what would they do when faced with a crack head with a axe, carpet bomb the area?
They're Police officers, they're not trained to deal with that kind of violence.
<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">Even if there was some kind of system, or method way to train police to restrain people how are they going to have time for that useless stuff when they have taser training to go to?</span>
Obviously the officers themselves didn't think the tasering was justified- else, why lie about it?
I'm your atypical middle class, professional white collar worker, never been in trouble with the police not likely to be so. I have however met and know several police officers. One left due to corruption in their force, 3 are more dodgy / corrupt than an inmate in sauchton prison and the remaining one officer is an upstanding member of society.
So in that small sample, 3/5ths are lying, deceitful crooks.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-45420377
Not guilty in court, cleared in internal investigations. Sounds like the press might have got the wrong end of the stick.
I didn't really follow this but just watching the video it looks like a taser might a reasonable response in that situation out of context - a large man physically resisting arrest.
The problem is why they were trying to arrest him in the first place.
I would ultimately view this incident as a failure in recruitment or training.
Well, I'm not either way but I'd hazard a bet when Geoff Capes was on the beat he wouldn't have reached for a tazer in this situation.
Society as a whole seems to want to put vulnerable people into positions where a tazer is going to be used but then cry foul when it is.
A few years ago I lived in central London and carried a camera and got stopped and searched 3 times in one month. I wasn't doing anything wrong but I couldn't help thinking that if I was up to some mischief the officer detaining me wouldn't be in any position to stop or detain me.
The problem is why they were trying to arrest him in the first place.
Re-read the thread? From memory he refused to give his name and walked off. They arrested him when he walked off.
Re-read the thread? From memory he refused to give his name and walked off.
He doesn't need to give his name unless they are acting under very Section 60.. in which case they should have served a 5090 stating this.
This might sound a bit trivial ... but the point of this if someone isn't doing anything wrong then they can't be stopped and searched for for the hell of it.
They arrested him when he walked off.
https://www.app.college.police.uk/app-content/stop-and-search/legal/legal-basis/
there is no corresponding power to detain a person to talk to them or ask them to account for themselves. They cannot be arrested for not stopping to talk to the officer or answer their questions.
Their EXCUSE was they thought he was some other bloke ... indeed he had been mistaken previously.
Lets say mistakes happen and everyone learns from them... He then tried to get into his OWN address....
It beggars belief to me that they are looking for a guy that their colleges have previously mistaken for this guy who lives at this address where she shoots him in the face and they didn't stop before repeating the mistake?