[Closed] Tasered in the face!

All the more reason slowster for giving the police no excuse to behave incorrectly.

Simple rule for dealing with police is be polite, be helpful and don't be a dick. If you have had a previous bad experience then this should be even more obvious

Absolutely terrible policing from the female copper especially - from the outset, her body language, tone of voice and robotic repeating of the same things rather than trying to engage served to escalate rather than de - escalate the situation. This is even more damning when you hear she's a sergeant, so should have the ability and experience to effectively contain and calm a situation rather than proactively escalate it.

I just hope they are both sacked. There's no room for useless and ineffective police, they are public servants, not freeranging vigilantes who can act as they like unchallenged as if it's still the days of Gene Hunt. And when I say sacked, I mean sacked, not "allowed to retire" to protect their pension.

If you have had a previous bad experience then this should be even more obvious

Great insight 😕

You really must be able to see why he did it[ not everyone can turn the other cheek as well as you or Jesus do] even if you think it was unwise or are you just one of those who cannot see others views even if you do then continue to disagree with it

Have a pleasant afternoon, I'm off to work.

Stay safe!

Also try not to assault anyone then make something up in order to arrest them.

Really?

Sometimes descriptions are vague, often inaccurate too by the time it's filtered down to the people who need to know.

In those circumstances, the police officers know that the description they have is probably not enough on its own to constitute reasonable grounds for suspicion to justify an arrest, and other evidence is therefore needed before they can make an arrest. Someone refusing to tell you who they are, does not qualify as the extra evidence needed to make the arrest.

A he had to do was give a name and have a little chat. He chose not to.

But he did not [u]have[/u] to do that. He had done nothing wrong, and there was no legal requirement for him to give his name.

Instead of just focusing on his actions and blaming him for what happened, turn your scrutiny on the two police officers. They were the professionals doing a job which they had been trained and were being paid to do: the onus was wholly on them to do their job properly and within the law. When he refused to identify himself and walked into his house, [u]all they had to do[/u] was let him go and make further enquiries, such as walking over to the various bystanders and asking them if they knew the man and could tell them his name and radioing to request further information/instructions from their colleagues (better description, whether the person they are looking for is known to live at that address etc.). Instead, in your words, they chose not to. They chose instead to completely screw up a situation which should have been well within their communication, management conflict and people management skills, and to (probably) break the law in doing so.

Indeed, have a safe shift greatape.

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km79/ninfan - cheers, I'll do my best! I'm just going downstairs to practice my shouty German in front of the locker room mirror.

Bristol's pretty much how I remember it, ninfan...

crankboy - Member

There is no point in having a free country where you do not have to identity yourself to the authorities and the authorities powers are described by law if the penalty for refusing to cooperate with unlawful power is a taser zap and a load of people saying its your own fault for stepping out of line and not doing as you were told.

This, down to the ground.

acab

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I think it must be part of the recruitment process but all police I have engaged with at various levels are serious control freaks with zero people skills and I'm sure if they routinely carries guns ala US then I am sure we would see the same levels or higher of unnecessary shootings, like shooting people in the back and shooting nonthreatening and unarmed people... oh hang on thats also happened here...People on here may well have a different experience of their village bobby but those of us that live in large cities and aren't white probably have a different view.

oh OK ACAB IME

Come to Scotland righty, where 15% of us aren't 🙂

People on here may well have a different experience of their village bobby but those of us that live in large cities and aren't white probably have a different view.

Obviously I dont share your views because I live in an episode of Heartbeat 🙄

Some coppers are bastards just like some posters on here are nobbers
To say they all are is deluded and serves only to show your bias

IME.......

It cannot be your experience that every single copper ever was a bastard and if it is its a massively skewed sample and you are too full of hate so that you wont admit to the obvious bias
IME

IME anyone who says ACAB is either a criminal or a complete idiot or both

IME !!!

Clowns like these two overshadow all the good cops out there.

The real problem here TJ, is the good one's allow and enable the bad ones behavior by inaction, making them also, bad cops

ulysse - Member

The real problem here TJ, is the good one's allow and enable the bad ones behaviour by inaction, making them also, bad cops

I'm sure thegreatape would love the opportunity to deal with the two coppers in the video, but unfortunately for him there are quite strict procedures in place for dealing with police complaints.
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there are quite strict procedures in place for dealing with police complaints.

Yes it usually involves collusion, cover ups and spreading misinformation.

Thegreatape don't people have to give you their name in Scotland. I thought that was a difference between Scots and English law ? Have a Good shift with no running or fighting.

Junkyard I wish you could travel back in time and change MY experience of the police I engaged with..... I'm sure there are lots of honest, by the book, non dictatorial,public serving police just I don't seem to have met any that meet that criteria and a number of times I have tried to get the police to deal with crimes and again and again IME they didn't seem to GAS

kimbers - Member
a good fried is a senior copper in GMP
he has become very disillusioned with the police, mostly:
he spends a lot of time disciplining coppers who he thinks should be fired for serious transgressions but they always get get let off

I'll bet he loves David Kehoe then, how that bloke still has a job, never mind a rank is a total mystery, unless he has the naked pictures of Tony Loyd stuck in an underage sheep or something...
Missing drugs while head of Drugs squad, check, wrongfully arresting innocents and attempting to fit them up, check- thrown out of court.....

Thegreatape don't people have to give you their name in Scotland. I thought that was a difference between Scots and English law?

No, they're not universally obliged to, just when there is a statutory or common law power to require it. It's broadly the same as in England, although here witnesses Tom crimes are also obliged to give their name and address. But, say, if you are stopped and searched you don't have to. There is a broader, perhaps more flexible, interpretation of offences like perverting the course of justice, but there's no carte blanche to lock up anybody who doesn't give their details when there is no legal obligation for them to do so.

Have a Good shift with no running or fighting.

Disclosure schedules 🙁 (thanks all the same though)

Commendable restraint, insight and a touch of humour great ape.
I think maybe one or two of your critics here haven't read your posts over the years and just see you as 'plod', and not a valued forum member.
Enjoy the file prep

Disclosure schedules

IME coppers dont take well to sarcasm face to face I wonder if they are ok with it on the internet 😉

What this illustrates is that some people shouldn't have tasers. Also the universal observation that age does NOT bring wisdom. That fella WANTED a scrap. Well he gets it, there are some men you just can't reach. I don't like it anymore than you do...

You are now a marked man JY

shudders

I cant disagree with some of the posters on here, I was a pinky liberal and a fully fledged member of amnesty, save the whale etc before i joined the job. I certainly wouldn't have reacted the way the sergeant did but it is difficult to know how you will react to stress, and she may have had a genuinely held belief that the man was an immediate threat to her and her colleague.
I've come across plenty of overly officious and on occasion a little too handy with the flat of their hand plonkers in my 23 years, but they are hugely outnumbered by properly decent and brave people.

Enjoy the file prep

Cheers, nearly done. Got some outside work to do now, nice night for it. Fear not crankboy - no running.

JY - My pretence of not minding the sarcasm is just to lull you into a false sense of security until I meet you face to face - nobody accuses me of being a goat tickler and gets away with it 😉

goat tickler? i take it all back ya filthy animal

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Right, I'm away out. Have fun.

righty - I live in a big city and your description of cops is nothing like my experience of them - both professional and personal. the only thing I really have against them is the vicious sarcasm they routinely employ - Greatape - is there a special lesson in sarcasm in the training school? Our local guys are cutting - really cutting

Think it's just a Scottish thing TJ - hence it's a gift I don't have 😀

For all there faults the UK police are close to saints try living in a lawless African state for a few weeks and you would soon be crying out for a little law and order.

Basic elementary mistake. The coppers couldn't distinguish between an albeit rare 'hooded rasta' and the far more common 'hooded ghetto knife wielding yoot'. The former deserves to be left in peace and the latter deserves a taser in the face.

wicki - Member

try living in a lawless African state for a few weeks and you would soon be crying out for a little law and order.

Well as long as we compare favourably with [i]"a lawless African state"[/i] I guess that's what really counts.

Perhaps people should make the comparison with a lawless African state more often, specially when they are discussing contentious issues such as housing, education, healthcare, employment, etc.

Which one did you have in mind - Libya?

I would ultimately view this incident as a failure in recruitment or training. I very strongly believe there should be "no fault" investigations for incidents like this as there is for pilots. Why? Because if people think they might be in trouble for things they do not tell the truth and without the truth we cannot get to the root causes of the problem. Its the same in Healthcare. Of course serious criminal behaviour should still be punished but not lapses in judgement.

If we want to stop situations like this happening we need to understand why they happen. While people are in fear of disciplinary action they will not tell the truth - they will put a favourable slant on things. We need to know the truth to correct the issue.

Lawless African state = well, I'm not as mean as Hitler

Resorting to whataboutery = admitting you have no good argument to make.

Officers served with gross misconduct notices
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/feb/22/police-officers-under-investigation-after-tasering-own-race-adviser

Good, they took their time.

You think the Independent Police Complaints Commission should be quicker when they "carefully consider evidence gathered"?