[Closed] Tarantino

If I buy your argument hora, that screen violence can be directly linked to people imitating what they see, what would you suggest the solution or at least part solution is?

If theres no link at all between violence towards men or women in film why do we have 12, 15 or 18 certs?

Because a 12 year old watching horror films, or someone getting raped, would find it deeply disturbing. You twonk. Not because the BBFC think they're going to nip out and immediately reproduce it

Otherwise my daughter would spend her life on a broomstick playing quidditch

My solution isn't anything- its QT. He can't get angry or irritable when the interviewer is asking a relevant and linked question to his films.

If violent movies don't influence children why not let your young daughters etc sit and watch a movie with you?

I can assure you it's not because I think they will go and copy what they see. Some movie violence is disturbing and unpleasant and just not suitable for children. I wouldn't let a 6 year old watch a hardcore pornographic movie, but not because I'd be afraid that they'd be trying to 69 a teacher.

Binners we control what are children see at a rate. This is to let them understand boundaries/limits as they grow in a controlled manner. They learn what is right and wrong so that when they ARE confront with brutal things they have ground rules (almost brainwashed) into them from a young age to help them understand the basics of right and wrong and apply to anything that may be outlandish.

Yes or no?

BTW I watched alot of James Bonds movies from a very young age at the cinema. My Dad MADE the Cinema(s) let me in with him 😳

If theres no link at all between violence towards men or women in film why do we have 12, 15 or 18 certs?

I dont think mine would go to school and kill everyone if he watched an 18 film however it is unwise for reasons other than ones you suggest

I dont actually think anyone needs this system or the reasons explaining to them.

My solution isn't anything- its QT. He can't get angry or irritable when the interviewer is asking a relevant and linked question to his films.

But you clearly believe there is a link?

But you clearly believe there is a link?

Would it be outlandish not to think there is a link?

Binners we control what are children see at a rate. This is to let them understand boundaries/limits as they grow in a controlled manner. They learn what is right and wrong so that when they ARE confront with brutal things they have ground rules (almost brainwashed) into them from a young age to help them understand the basics of right and wrong and apply to anything that may be outlandish.

But if we accept that a child is prone to imitating screen violence that doesn't mean that it follows true that adults with formed minds are prone to doing the same thing.

eff all to do with Tarantino films, or Grand Theft Auto

have you ever played Call of Duty online and listened the comments made by the kids playing? some of the stuff the American kids come out with when playing Deathmatch compared to other nations is worrying. can you be sure they are just acting out fantasies?

Would it be outlandish not to think there is a link?

Not completely outlandish but not supported in any way by the most respected psychologists or academics in the world.

Binners we control what are children see at a rate.

Indeed we do. But not for fear of them reproducing it? At what age would you suggest that its safe to watch something without wanting to run out and immitate it? 12, 15, 18 or never?

So going back to QT- the jumped up ****. Why did he get upset? Tosser.

Probably because he's really really bored of lazy half-wits making unfounded links between his films, and stuff completely unconnected with them, so they can whip up some form of faux outrage

My parents were very lax when it came to allowing me to watch violent films when I was very young. I remember watching Robocop and The Terminator when i was about 6 years old. Not very responsible of my parents I admit but I wasn't inclined to copy them or grow into an adult obsessed with violence or aggression.

Now you would argue that my own personal experience has little bearing on the wider picture but psychologists would argue that the fact that one individual who watched violent movies was not affected by them and therefore not inclined to imitate them in any way is just as relevant as the individual who watched the Childs Play films and murdered a child by copying the images they saw.

You have to have an inclination to act in certain way regardless.

Tarantino makes films for lazy half wits, as well as being one himself. 🙂

Is there a link with gaming/violent movies and the proliferation of guns?

Since I started playing Black on the PS I've found myself staring at upstairs windows looking for the RPG shooter! And I really don;t like the M16 that much.

[i]Tarantino makes films for lazy half wits[/i]

I would reply to that, but can't think of a response and can't be bothered to try.

can't think of a response

Nah, seriously, he hasn't made a decent film in years. The last thing I watched was Inglorious Basterds, when it was on TV - just formulaic nonsense. Yes, early on, he made some great stuff, but he just hit on a recipe and re-hashed it over and over again. And manages to come across as more and more of a dick as he gets older. Still, people seem to flock to his films in the hope that he might do something different (or maybe in the hope that he hasn't), though that's no marker of quality these days.

binners - Member

On your basis then Hora, next time anyone gets pulled for speeding, they can legitimately blame Lewis Hamilton?

Not quite the point^^ but I would say Yes you could;What blame does not do do is absolve you of the crime, that's called personal choice. There is almost certainly a link otherwise why would all those car makers etc spend millions of pounds on racing if it didn't sell their fast cars - No Vauxhauls in F1.

Does Lionel Messi not inspire people to buy Barca shirts and then do tricks at 5 a side...

If I did have any criticism of his films, it would be the lack of exploding helicopters, car chases and Adam Sandler

Nah, seriously, he hasn't made a decent film in years.

Bit harsh? IB isn't his best work, or a perfect film, but its a long way from not being a 'decent film'. Some great dialogue, some great casting and acting from the stars he directed? OK, Death Proof wasn't too good unless you really like his dialogue, but the car chase at the end was superb.

Possibly a bit harsh, yes. They're watchable for sure. But, given what he started out with and the money he can spend, I'd expect better than what are mostly heist films with a bit of devil may care dialogue and lots of shootin' an' fightin'.

apparently the US Vice President is busy talking to Hollywood movie makers about violent films.
I thought he should be trying to sort out the gun problem.

I've watched all of Tarantino's films. I'm a big fan in fact (and not a half-wit either. mostly). I've not murdered anyone though.

Win win situation . Tarrantino gets extra publicity for his film , interviewer gets extra publicity for his programme . An interview with confrontational overtones is better viewing that's why it's been posted on here for example .

Is that why Lance chose Oprah?

I'd have preferred to see Lance interviewed by Graham Norton. In that tippy-up chair thing.

have you ever played Call of Duty online and listened the comments made by the kids playing?

video games don't make you violent, 12 year olds humiliating you may tho

I'd have preferred to see Lance interviewed by Graham Norton. In that tippy-up chair thing.

Is that why Lance chose Oprah?

Perhaps Oprah chose Lance

[i]I'd have preferred to see Lance interviewed by Graham Norton. [/i]

I actually think that'd be brilliant. Graham Norton does the 'acting dumb but actually incredibly quick' thing very well, I reckon he'd skewer Lancey with some little quip 🙂

[i]Tarrantino gets extra publicity for his film , interviewer gets extra publicity for his programme[/i]

I know which one I'll be watching.

If violent movies don't influence children why not let your young daughters etc sit and watch a movie with you? Violent rape scenes in movies- why not let your 12yr son watch these? Its something you can discuss after about human nature.

i was not shielded from the horrors of the world as a youngster and i grew up as someone who has the ability to support victims of violent rape, mental illness and so forth. i firmly believe the early exposure to the darker side of the world left me able to confront such stuff without it phasing me.

i've also watched a lot of people being killed in films and managed to go 28 years without ever feeling the need to even punch somebody.

films where you watch somebody acting something is one thing, being in control of a character than can kill is another i think, computer games as they become more realistic are probably more of a threat to anybody of a certain disposition towards violence. you could argue they allow some to act out fantasies virtually and that's enough to stop it spilling over into the classroom (so to speak) but i do think there's going to be generations of people a lot more comfortable with the idea of inflicting deliberate harm on others. as warfare develops into a near simulation anyway (pressing buttons behind a screen instead of running over the trenches) i can't really see it as a good thing.

Watched Django last night. Bloody brilliant, one of his best.

D*ckhead. Interviewer handled it well.

yunki - Member
uncomfortable viewing, I don't think any less of either of them though.. I think igrf has come out of this worst IMO

I only found this place after breaking a long habit of watching gay porn so thought I'd try the real thing.

He's been on a steady downwards trajectory since Reservoir Dogs.

i've also watched a lot of people being killed in films and managed to go 28 years without ever feeling the need to even punch somebody.

Based on a sample of one person (you) who turned out ok after watching violent and disturbing films it should be ok for everyone?

Based on a sample of one person (you) who turned out ok after watching violent and disturbing films it should be ok for everyone?

It is relevant though.

the sample size is clearly more than one* he simply gave some personal experiene in what was a very thoughtful and intelligent piece.

* if it was just him who managed this leaving the cinema would be amongst the most dangerous things you could ever do and billions of folk would be out there being randomly violent

No, he's using personal experience to extrapolate to a general rule or provide support for applying a general rule. Not a valid argument form.

Edit: I'm not saying he's wrong about film violence just that personal experience is a weak or even invalid argument.

I watched 300 and wanted to shout at people and jump around whilst only dressed in my Y fronts and shag fit ginger birds with nipples like bullets.

see further proof that your underlying personality remains unaffected 😉

I'm not saying he's wrong about film violence just that personal experience is a weak or even invalid argument.

It would only become 'science' if you had a statistically significant sample size and were able to normalise the data for any influencing factors such as age.

Not if you do a SSED [single subject experimental design] 😉

I am debating within a forum not a science conference but i can do that if you want.

I am sure you get the point I was making as I get yours.

PS Phil it was such a good post I shall break the habit of a lifetime
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