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She really doesn't seem to understand the principle of people (in this case LBC) giving somebody enough rope, does she?
I'm sure that the headbangers who love her, will continue to love her when she advocates mining the channel or straffing small boats with Spitfires, but anyone sane will recoil in horror from the absolutely vile woman
Quite funny listening to her struggling defend her views on LBC at the moment. The callers are pretty top notch, not sure her team expected that.
Some of the big hitters should call in.
Check out Suella describing on LBC how she went to Italy to see the wall they've built along border with Turkiye. And its got loads of soldiers and scary armoured vehicles and death lasers and allsorts.
Then check out a map of Italy and Turkey...
She’s a bright girl! No wonder she ended up occupying one of the great offices of state. Twice.
Rumours are that she’s about to join Reform. To be honest, when I read that I thought ‘has she not done that already?’
How many more times?
It doesn't matter to her because she's appealing to morons to whom it doesn't matter either.
It is the sentiment, not the facts nor the accuracy.
To the kind of person she's trying to appeal to, all that registers is "Suella is backing us lot over immigrants again, good on her".
So long as you make your slogans three words and repeat them over and over, you will always have a significant portion of the UK electorate on-side. Some might say as high as 52%.
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describing on LBC how she went to Italy to see the wall they’ve built along border with Turkiye.
Yup, the most astonishing thing is that she claims to have seen this wall between Italy and Turkey!
I bet she made a blinding barrister! Who wouldn't want to go to her for legal advice?
Well you can't deny the wall works. No illegal immigrants have gone across it from Turkey to Italy.
Well in times gone by, a gaffe like this usually spelled the end of any influence in the political arena. Sure there were always nutter backbenchers, but they were mostly sidelined - anyone with a serious point didn't want to be tainted by association.
And yet, here we are. In an age when most things can be instantly fact-checked - and liars and morons can make the most ridiculous assertions, get challenged and held up to ridicule... and it makes not a jot of difference to them. On they go. And the reason they continue is that they know, for a significant section of society, it doesn’t matter that there plainly cannot be a wall between Italy and Turkey. Just so long as the big message is foreign = bad.
I feel the need to shrug some more.
In an age when most things can be instantly fact-checked – and liars and morons can make the most ridiculous assertions, get challenged and held up to ridicule… and it makes not a jot of difference to them.
Because far too often, for far too long, no one has bothered doing this obvious thing.
On they go. And the reason they continue is that they know, for a significant section of society, it doesn’t matter that there plainly cannot be a wall between Italy and Turkey. Just so long as the big message is foreign = bad.
I'm not sure that critical thinking skills would benefit any of the parties, to be fair.
Has an apology or correction been made for her latest cock up? Or can we complain to Ofcom?
Because far too often, for far too long, no one has bothered doing this obvious thing.
Lots of people have and lots of people continue to do so. The likes of Hislop and similar also do. They are ripped to shreds on R4 and similar spinoffs.
But they are drowned out by frothing bullies with St George's crosses in their bio and their appalling spelling. They are undermined as supposedly serving an elite. They are derided as 'so-called experts' - as if the term itself is an insult - thanks Gove.
Or can we complain to Ofcom?
Ofcom? As in the establishment bullies and censors who are constantly harassing GBNews - the one outlet that "isn't afraid to speak the truth"? Pah - easily derided and ignored.
If truth no longer matters, what chance has decency?
She did actually go to Greece one time and I think they have a wall, so many photo/dressing-up opportunities over the years, it’s easy to get them furrin country names mixed up 🙂
TBH I quite Fancy seeing a wall go up on the beaches, that’ll sort the boats problem, stop the boats - Brick the beaches.
Managed 20 seconds. Over to someone else.
I do have some imperial stouts due to arrive so might try again at the weekend whilst trying a couple of them.
Has she not joined Reform yet? It surely can’t be much longer now?
Dunno, I am not convinced that Nigel Farage would want her in Reform UK, I think she might actually be too extreme for him.
I mean not much might separate them politically but Nigel Farage is smart enough to tone down the hate. Braverman appears to have no such inhibitions.
Shades of Truss in desperately trying to make herself feel relevant by peddling more and more extreme nonsense to far right American loons, because they’re the only audience still prepared to listen to them. It’s tragic really. She’ll be hanging out with Russell Brand next
I ran the video through a summariser and then asked ChatGPT to fact check it to save you the pain. It won't surprise you.
(Edit: sigh...the formatting looked fine in the editor before I submitted).
<h2>Summary</h2>
- ?? UK’s Political Landscape – Braverman criticizes the UK government, labeling it as "anti-freedom" and "anti-aspiration," in contrast to the US under Trump.
- ?️ Globalist vs. Nationalist Views – She argues that global institutions like the UN and WHO harm national sovereignty, contrasting Trump’s policies with UK leadership.
- ? Mass Migration & Cultural Shifts – Braverman warns that uncontrolled migration is reshaping British society, with claims that some immigrants refuse to assimilate.
- ? Economic Concerns – She asserts that high immigration levels have not led to economic growth, emphasizing GDP per capita rather than overall GDP.
- ⚖️ Human Rights & Immigration Laws – Calls for the UK to leave the European Convention on Human Rights, scrap equality laws, and implement stricter immigration policies.
- ? Islamist Threat & National Security – She warns that the UK could become an Islamist state with nuclear weapons, citing concerns over religious extremism.
- ?️ Political Class Criticism – Accuses conservatives of failing to act on immigration and human rights policies, labeling some as "Conservatives in Name Only" (CINOs).
- ? Decline of Progressive Ideologies – Claims progressive ideologies are losing popularity and praises Trump’s influence in shifting political discourse.
<h2>? Insights Based on Numbers</h2>
- 72.5 million – Projected UK population by 2032, which she describes as a "population explosion."
- 75% – Alleged proportion of murder defendants at the Old Bailey from immigrant backgrounds.
- 13 minutes – The duration of the speech, packed with criticism of UK policies and praise for nationalist movements.
Fact check the summary:
<h3>VERIFIED CLAIMS:</h3>
- 72.5 Million UK Population by 2032 – This projection aligns with UK Office for National Statistics (ONS) estimates, though subject to future changes.
- Trump’s Nationalist Policies vs. Globalism – It’s true that Trump opposed global institutions like the WHO and UN, favoring national interests.
- Braverman’s Criticism of UK Leadership – She did claim the UK government is "anti-freedom" and "anti-aspiration" in contrast to Trump's leadership.
- Braverman’s Call to Exit Human Rights Frameworks – She did advocate for leaving the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) and scrapping equality laws.
<hr />
<h3>❌ POTENTIALLY MISLEADING OR UNVERIFIED CLAIMS:</h3>
- "75% of murder defendants at the Old Bailey are immigrants"
- No official data supports this exact statistic. The claim may be exaggerated or taken out of context.
- "UK could become an Islamist state with nuclear weapons"
- This is speculation with no basis in current policy or demographics. No evidence suggests the UK is at risk of becoming an Islamist nuclear power.
- "Mass migration hasn’t benefited the UK economy"
- Economic research presents mixed findings. While high immigration can strain public services, studies also show it contributes to labor markets and economic growth.
- "The UK government covered up the terrorist elements of a murder case"
- There is no publicly available evidence proving this. Official sources would be needed to verify such an accusation.
Islamist Threat & National Security – She warns that the UK could become an Islamist state with nuclear weapons
Blimey. How scary is that?
Imagine delivering that message with a straight face? They must really be an audience of credulous simpletons if they’re buying that, but she really should know better than to be spouting that kind of drivel
It does seem that Trumps America really is now a different planet. A very dangerous one that’s obviously a magnet for grifters like her, Truss, Johnson and Farage to peddle their bullshit
Is she being paid per kg of bullshit?
TBH she’s just tapping into the usual anti-Muslim and Sharia court rhetoric that’s being /been pumped into people on FB for years.
Keep telling the lie enough and people will believe it(or enough voters in FPTP).
Has she not joined Reform yet? It surely can’t be much longer now?
Too early, she will be waiting in the wings as a contender to save the Tory party, so closer to the election I reckon.
Managed 20 seconds.
Watched the whole thing, Iused to have to have conversations with actual Islamists so this was easy in comparison. . Her ****ing stupid, grifting rhetoric is going to do more damage in terms of actually dealing with Islamists then she either cares, or knows. Alienating an entire culture which contains many intelligence and reporting sources is not going to keep people safe. But she knew that. Being reasonable, balanced and truthful doesn't make bank though.
scrap equality laws
This is very appealing to a large minority of white British blokes, the kind who usually didn't do so well at school...
"“There is a growing concern among young men that maybe DEI [diversity, equity, and inclusion] is going too far,” she says, adding “some question if women’s gains are coming at the expense of them.”"
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/14/us-election-donald-trump-voters-gender-race-data
Farage just needs Truss and Johnson and he's got the full set
Managed 20 seconds.
Watched the whole thing, Iused to have to have conversations with actual Islamists so this was easy in comparison. . Her ****ing stupid, grifting rhetoric is going to do more damage in terms of actually dealing with Islamists then she either cares, or knows. Alienating an entire culture which contains many intelligence and reporting sources is not going to keep people safe. But she knew that. Being reasonable, balanced and truthful doesn't make bank though.
@moderators, was it this post that contained the phrase you emailed and warned me for? If it was, fair cop. I was a little incensed by her.
A year ago is the reason I can't remember. 🤣
Racist neofascist joins racist neofacist party
I am personally delighted that she has joined Reform. I hope that more of 'them' (which is to say, failed bitter Tories) do the same and make Farage unelectable.
The issue still remains that neither the Tories or Labour are electable either however, but at least if it doesn't mean a landslide for Farage and his bunch, it is a good thing.
Should have got the Last Leg team there to welcome her.
Farage needs to tempt Liz Truss over for a full set of unelectables. EDIT: I see morecash got there first.
Id like to think that every morning garage wakes up and just says **** **** **** **** **** as soon as he turns his phone on
Since somebody referred to her as ‘an irradiated gerbil’ online, that’s all I can think of when I look at her
Since its trendy to join Reform if your politically inclined, I wander which of the 6 will break ranks first?
Classy response of the Tories to (initially) put out a statement implying that she had mental health issues. Can't see them reverting back towards relatively tame One Nation Conservatism any time soon.
I am personally delighted that she has joined Reform. I hope that more of 'them' (which is to say, failed bitter Tories) do the same and make Farage unelectable.
The issue still remains that neither the Tories or Labour are electable either however, but at least if it doesn't mean a landslide for Farage and his bunch, it is a good thing.
Agreed. As was pointed out in another thread yesterday, it is the loonies brought in by Johnson who are going to Reform, this can only be a good thing, in that the Tories may turn out to be a Party that could be taken seriously again sooner, rather than the laughing stock they have been for the last 10 years. We need strong opposition, which should be there to hold the incumbent in check, and analyse, in detail, everything they do, to get the best out of the Government, and hold them to account. OK, thats probably a little utopian, but thats how it should work, but just hasnt for at least the last 10 years, as all opposition has been pathetic.
Farage just needs Truss and Johnson and he's got the full set
I imagine a set of Matrioska dolls painted with their likenesses would be a big seller; Johnson as the biggest, Truss as the smallest. 🤣
Since somebody referred to her as ‘an irradiated gerbil’ online, that’s all I can think of when I look at her
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She’s my MP. One of my mates rang me break the news and suggested the value of my house was on the skids now I live in a Reform constituency.
On the positive side, I understand that the local United Reform Church may see an uptick in congregation… suggest that the minister runs a St George’s flag up any nearby lamp post
"Farage said he had been talking to Braverman for "just over a year" about the possibility of defecting and that she had "reached the view that actually the centre-right of British politics needs to unify around Reform"".
Centre-right? Yeah, OK.
I really don't understand why there isn't a by election when MP's/MSP's jump ship. I'm guessing many vote for the party not the person. Politicians never seem to have to endure the shitty end of any sticks.
Hopefully this will gain some traction https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/737660 but sadly it won't as they'll yet again just be looking after their own self interests.
I really think this is good news in many ways. Braverman et all defecting to Reform continues to show that Reform being a party of outsider disruptors is a complete joke.
Reform were going to take over the Tory's but it appears that the Tories are metastasizing the insides of Reform instead.
It also has to be acknowledged that a fair percentage of Reform voters wont like her simply based on skin colour. Simple as that.
Farage continues to prefer short term publicity with the defections without considering longer term negatives... and I approve! 👍