[Closed] STW 2014/15 Rugby Thread

Are there any clips of the Mike brown bollocking?
I'd like to see that again.

Late = illegal
Little late = illegal

Ireland Women had to beat Scotland Women by 26 points to win the 6N on points difference today. They scraped through with a 73 - 3 win. Great stuff. 🙂

Can I say we need more ref's like Nigel Owens. He is a class act

Little late = illegal or already committed

How can anyone seeing that not think that Lawes was a very lucky boy.

Just watched that Lawes clip.
No-one can defend that - looks like actually he sped up after the ball was released.
Admittedly I didn't see it actual speed in the context of the game but that looks deliberate and very naughty.
Twunt.

Mike Brown doing his best to convince us that he is a class act and not a whinging cockwomble 😆

Technically it is hard to find anything illegal about the tackle it just wish it was.

I think that is hard for any of us to disagree with! Sums up my feelings seeing it again.

Owens hasn't had the best games recently but he was back to form over the weekend. Actually, it wasn't a bad day for the referees although to be fair their main job was trying to keep up with the game, which was a task in itself!!!

think Mike brown should spend more time looking after his own garden.

What's Brown been up to?

What's Brown been up to?

Oh Wrecker 😀 you forgot where he said other teams didn't compete properly. That's why he is a whinging cockwomble 😆 maybe if england hadn't butchered so many chances 😆
Here is his quote

Massive credit to the French for the way they fronted up for this game and for the way they played, compared to a few other countries.

Only read the BBC headline.
Honest question for you duckers; are scotland better than that performance yesterday? The entire pub I was in were cheering them on but they were absolutely terrible, certainly worse than the names on the teamsheet (including the coaching staff) would suggest.

Ah, it's only human nature to look for others to blame. Twitter was full of fans of various sides blaming other losing teams for capitulating, folding, lying down, giving up, etc etc. Just bluster as the emotions of the day die down. But if it suits one's prejudices to read so much into it, fill yer boots. 🙂

ouch 😆 piggy's in the trough and I am gorging 😆

Oh noes...forgot about duckie. 😐

#prayforduckie

I'm not blaming anyone, I don't really care very much. 2nd is a fair reflection of where England are, and you won't find me complaining. I'm not convinced that last and clutching the wooden spoon is where Scotland are or should be though.
Glasgow sitting on top of the pro12, and having mauled Bath twice. A very good coach in Schmidt, and a good FH (at last). Yet they were so poor, it's not even the results; the performances were dreadful. I honestly thought they were going to come alive and batter someone but they just got worse.

Glasgow have a number of imports in key positions.

I dislike Mike Brown. He's like Liam Williams but English! 😉

rascal - Member

Just watched that Lawes clip.
No-one can defend that - looks like actually he sped up after the ball was released.
Admittedly I didn't see it actual speed in the context of the game

It's not a great argument rascal. In fact it's right up there with Murray Mexted's:

"That's amazing! In the slow motion replay he seems to hang in the air EVEN longer!"

I dislike Mike Brown. He's like Liam Williams but English!

Except he's not as good as Liam Williams either.....

He could have easily pulled out of it or softenned it.

They both do a good angry face. I think Liam is more mental though.

I think it is silly to suggest that Scotland intentionally lost by a given margin, they played, they played badly and yes the scoreline was a surprise given some of the other performances they have put in. But it was the last game of the tournament, they looked tired, they had a few players out injured and they were still very evidently trying to score right down to the wire.

I'm speaking as someone who was cheering England on, had they done enough to win every game then they wouldn't even be in a position to complain that other scores lines cost them a championship, simple as that.

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I can't really comment about how bad Scotland were as I was at the above location at approx half time on Sat. I have taped it but am very unlikely to watch it. We have a decent set of players,however any loss of form or injury means we are stuffed. If you put every adult male rugby player in Scotland into Welford road,it wouldn't even be half full.

Except he's not as good as Liam Williams either.....

Liam Williams is a good player. Pushing 1/2p for the full back place. Liam is about 22 Brown is what 29? Wouldnt swap them. I always get the impression you only watch English rugby Wrecker. Liam has been the best full back in the pro12, he is very good.

Liam Williams is a good player.

Liam Williams is a much better player than I thought he was going to be, real breakthrough season for him 1/2 should move to wing then he might be concussed less.

are Scotland better than that performance yesterday?

No they are awful and yesterdays' performance confirms that. Lost every single game. Lost to Italy, lost to an England that should have put more on them and then finally destroyed by an Ireland team that have shown little ambition all tournament. Scotland knew Ireland would be fired up and yet in front of their home crowd were 10 points down by 11 minutes. Pathetic really. Italy while imploding earlier in they day were at least in it at half time.

Biggest worry if your a Scot's fan is they play their rugby in all the wrong areas and seem to lack leadership. Unless they address that, then they'll be 'winning' the wooden spoon for years.

So, what would you base a comment like "he's a better player" on?

Brown being very average this season and Williams being very good?
Not defending it as such as I rate Brown, but its certainly debatable. Many in Wales think Liam should start ahead of 1/2p who is an exceptional full back. Brown is at his peak too whilst Liam should improve.

Brown has played well at quims, in a fairly weak team (by their standards). Missed 2 6N games through concussion, and to be fair few of the england team have covered themselves in glory this comp (perhaps JJ and BY). It is entirely debatable, but I'd say that Brown has plenty of proven form and could well continue to improve. I'd certainly still pick him over Williams and if we leave out the place kicking, 1/2P too.

1/2p is ver very good. He has a massive job in the Wales defensive structure covering huge amounts of ground with wingers pushed up. His defensive work and positional play and skill under the high ball mean he'd be on my lions teamsheet first. Thats before we consider kicking. He missed a few relative sitters this championship. I'd have Biggar and his twitchy shoulder take most kicks and 1/2p take the long range ones for Wales. Biggar has unerring accuracy. If I wanted an attacking fullback I'd have Hogg over Brown.

Ooh ooh, are we doing 2017 lions picks already? 🙂

Haven't even done team of the tournament yet.
That one from The Times that I posted above had 4 Italians in it and no one said anything.

And if I wanted a strategic FB, I'd pick Kearney over 1/2P!
Biggar is 3rd in line for a Lions shirt at best.

Go on then Wrecker, I'll bite. Who is second to Sexton for the 10 shirt?

I wasnt talking about Biggar in terms of Lions.

Kearney at fullback is just rancid trolling though.

Who is second to Sexton for the 10 shirt?

Cipppers, obviously.

Go on then Tom. Its traditional at this time of year. Usual ends in a vigorous discussion!!Based on form now not what might happen in a few years.

1/2p
Bowe
Joseph
Roberts
North
Ford
Murray
Healey
Token Scot
Cole
AW Jones
OConnel
Robshaw
Vunipola
Warburton

Marler
Youngs
Ross
Lawes
SOB
Other Youngs
Sexton
Watson

Cole 😯 planning on giving the oppo's kicking practice?

Hogg
1/2p
Joseph
Roberts
North
Ford
Murray
Healy
Ford
Cole
AWJ
O,Connel
Robshaw
SOB
Warburton

Marler
Best
Ross
Lawes
Armatige
Webb
Sexton
Davies

anagallis_arvensis - Member

Who is second to Sexton for the 10 shirt?

Cipppers, obviously.

The English bench warmer? Third in line behind Farrell and George "I can't hit a banjo with a barn door" Ford?

Two hookers on the bench?

Armitage? Really? Fitness would be a massive issue I would think.

The only definites for me on any team sheet now are AWJ and POC. Utterly superb performances from both throughout the tournament.

If only there were three second rows, I would also put Girafferis in there as well. Defensively he was fantastic.

English bench warmer? Third in line behind Farrell and George "I can't hit a banjo with a barn door" Ford?

Youd need to be a certain kind of special to put biggar before ford.

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I would also put Girafferis in there as well. Defensively he was fantastic.

Proper tackles too not blindside hits on midget tens.

A fit Armatige is a seriously destructive player!

Not wanting to name a team then wrecker?

Never seen a fit Armitage he'd be blowing like an asthmatic hippo after 10 mins.

A lions team?
Ireland plus JJ and North. Maybe robshaw and warbs.
Far too early though. The RWC will be the test.

Devon Toner?? Rob Kearney?? Ross??? Many better options.
OMahony is it me or does he go missing in big games?

Yeah I know but to the victor the spoils. Plus I hadn't thought about it, as I said it's too early.
A 6n team could be fun though.

Fickou and Joseph would be fun.

Healy, mas and ghiraldini front row?

Goujon looked very good. Well, in pieces, anyway. (Overdone joke!)

He did look very good though.

Healy was only just getting back to fitness for the last game, still not sharp.
Mas only played about 100 minutes total.
Giraldino played for Italy.

I'd have Debaty at 1 - mainly for That Try .
Overlapping A quick Fijjian wing after an hour of mental rugby is more than any prop can offer. Marler and Mcgrath were decent over the tournament and would be fair picks, as was Eddy ben Arous - played a bit like a younger GJenkins but could scrum.

Guirado at 2 , for the offload for the Mernoz (i think) try.
And generally being the least bad . The main candidates all had good patches, but all seemed to contribute to their teams losing their only matches by throwing bad darts at bad times. Or being a fat knacker and knocking out their own star player. Or both

Ross at 3, for surprising everyone and somehow making the Irish scrum a strength. Cole , lee (till he got broked) and Murray- for his caps record - were all worthy 3's but you'd have to have that 25 stone Frog on the bench for the last 20 minutes just for the craic. antonio

CaptainFlashheart - Member
The only definites for me on any team sheet now are AWJ and POC. Utterly superb performances from both throughout the tournament.

If only there were three second rows, I would also put Girafferis in there as well. Defensively he was fantastic.

SOB at 7. Finally fit for the last match. Beats players. Tackles, rucks, turnovers and 2 tries to win the tournament. The Best.

6 - Warburton - not cheating 'cos he played there and scored. Made some yards too, for a change , and may be a better at 6. Anyway, deserves a place on the team. probablly.

8 - Heaslip. for the Hogg tackle. Otherwise Vunipola for being England's best forward. And becoming an 80 minute player.

I'm aware who ghiraldini plays for and mas still got more game time than Castro didn't he?

Backs

9 Murray. Webb and youngs close ish.

10 Ford. To feed JJ. Sexton played like he'd been out for 3 months, which was still as good as any other FH, such is his quality. But he wasn't up to his top standards, so Ford is in for the link with JJ. Biggar was on a par with both of them too , so would be unlucky to miss out. And Finn Russell looks exciting.

11 Fitzgerald. For turning Ireland from a dull boring kicking team into a running, try scoring team of champions. After missing 4 years.

12 Henshaw. Biggest impact in the biggest games. Roberts would be worth a place only if I could move Henshaw to 15.

13 Joseph. "twinkle toes" and tries.

14 halfpenny. 'cos he needs to be in the team. And he shouldn't be allowed to play full back 'till he learns to tackle with his head on the correct side.

15 Hogg. Loads of yards, dangerous runner, and scored (and dropped) great tries. If I'm not allowed 1/2p on the wing, then he's (1/2p) FB and the big Fijian Frenchman can have a run on the wing. Noa Nakaitaci - played like Teddy Thomas was supposed to before it all kicked off.

Dont see the Henshaw thing. Roberts is limited and bit of a one trick pony but if you are going into a tight battle there is only one choice.
SOB and his backrow mates got taken tobthe cleaners by Wales.

Disagree. They lost a tight match by 7 points away from home.

Despite having 64% possession and 66% territory.

In nobody's book is that a back row "being taken to the cleaners".
Sloppy Finishing and breakaway try more like.

If you need a reminder of how a back row "being taken to the cleaners" looks, try the Vajazzle Friday match.

I'd have Sexton at 10, otherwise I'd go with what AA said.

AWJ as captain.

I'm till to be convinced by Sexton, he is either very good or rubbish, there is nothing inbetween. He has choked a few times as well.

Ford did well against France but the english pack had the slight edge how would he do if the pack was going backwards? Wouldn't have Farell full stop.

I always thing you have to look at players who are outstanding in a team that is rubbish, Howley and Jenkins spring to mind.

Despite having 64% possession and 66% territory.

In nobody's book is that a back row "being taken to the cleaners".
Sloppy Finishing and breakaway try more like.

I think you need to go take a look again. The Irish front five was well on top, but the irish backrow went nowhere carrying and made little impression at the breakdown. To summarise, they got owned.

Hey , if you think you can make a case for welsh back row in your team of the tournament, go ahead.
Otherwise, just looks like trolling others'.

I'll stick with the one that got the results that matter.

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If we are playing that card then Ireland may have won a grand slam if Wales hadn't beaten them 😆

It's been an interesting tournament, with very few players on top form for the whole tournament.

AWJ, POC & JJ were the stand - out players for me. The biggest failure has to be Saint-Andre. He has amazing players at his disposal, but just can't get a proper team on the pitch.

Players coming back from injury who should be on top form for the WC - SOB, Lawes, Sexton, JD.

Biggest surprise - Wales 3rd string front row holding their own against Italy. I was expecting a massacre, but they had parity, which allowed the welsh backs to play the way they did.

To be fair the welsh front row was getting a thorough kicking until Castro ran out of puff and went off.

Hey , if you think you can make a case for welsh back row in your team of the tournament, go ahead.

Warburton, Robshaw and Vunipola would work for me. SOB was below his best, understandably, Vunipola carries better than any other option. Robshaw can do the graft at 6. OMahoney was blown away v wales, Heaslip was up and down, him and Faletau are on a similar level.

I was hanging all my hopes on the Wales Front Row being pushed off the park, denying their backs quality ball. I thought we could beat France by 16. After Ireland took Scotland to pieces I always thought 26 points was too much. If there is one team you do t really want to play fast and loose against I the NH, it's France. Once they got broken field possession they looked a different team. He hasn't been mentioned, but I thought Spedding had a great game against England.

Looking fwd to the WC - is Wales v Aus at the millennium?

dantsw13 - Member
Looking fwd to the WC - is Wales v Aus at the millennium?

Twickers

Working from home is going to be a "challenge"...

I thought Spedding had a great game against England

He was good going forward but his positioning for kicks looked a little suspect, that may have been due to the nature of the game though.

Its on ITV isn't it? so will be crap coverage, Brian Moore said on Twitter he has been told he is to controversial so wont be involved.

Warburton,SOB and panda-cola for me, with the craveat that Warburton needs to be unbroken/not just back from injury,SoB has had another month and the "Wales saw him first" no8 has been told he has to make say,half a dozen defensive tackles a game.

forgotten how funny this was.

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How come he played the best game of his career against us and reverted back to being a penalty giving away yellow card for tripping oaf the other games?

Pigface - Member

How come he played the best game of his career against us and reverted back to being a penalty giving away yellow card for tripping oaf the other games?

Because he is the "Archbishop of Banterbury" and needs everybody to notice him,including the ref?