Is there something I'm missing?
As I understand it, a student pays NOTHING unless, when graduated, they gain slaries of £21k or more where they will be required to pay back for their education, eased by doing it over time.
When the country is bankrupt, why should they not be required to do this?
Is there something I'm missing?
Attention, obviously. 🙄
You could have a go at responding to my questions on Nutt's religion thread, if you like.
If you've got the stones, that is....
sounds better than pay up front, might put a few off some of those pointless courses
I think it is because the yellows said they will help students, but now they are being pumped up the arse by the blues they have gone back on their promise. As I'm no longer a student I'm not to bothered, but if the condems said they were going to tax low earners say around £18k like myself more, I would chuck a big red fire extinguisher off a building.
When can we have a civil war?
might put a few off quite useful courses too.
Heard some of the inarticulate students on the radio this morning. I think it'll take more than a degree to sort them out.
Silly bastards, the lot of 'em.
The country is bankrupt when did this happen?
So, given that we have to get back to a sound economy and we have to cut funding, where should the cuts be made if not by telling graduates to stump up for the education that's got them their (envied by most) salaries?
I know there's an argument that says "the banks" should pay it back instead of awarding bonuses, but the fact is, that wouldn't make the nut...
Okay, I'm not saying that the current system is perfect, specifically in relation to the number of graduates in subjects that provide no benefits to either themselves or wider society. Meaning I think that too many people do go to Uni these days, however...
There are a great many graduates in subjects that inadvertently enrich this great nation of ours. The list of subjects is wide and varied; pursuit of excellence and a higher level of understanding in these subjects drives the country as a whole to be a better, wealthier place.
Why should graduates bear the full cost? Is it not in the nations interest to support and encourage these students?
Ahh **** it why bother, let's privatise the whole education system, if you can't pay don't go... who cares if the majority of the population can't read real good and stuff.
Isn't it more likely to put people off the more useful courses.
Logic: more useful = higher earning and > £21K per year. Less useful = lower earning < £21K. so the people doing arts and design courses which are less useful to society are not put off as it is unlikely they will pay back anything, whereas the people who are would-be engineers might be put off by coming out of Uni and subsidising some of the other students.
I must say im annoyed at this... in a year and a bit im hoping to do chem eng and it seems il walk out of uni with around 30k debt. not that it would put me off as it is going to pay off in the long run.
I just saw a student on telly saying that "education had now become, like, an elite thing..."
Only if you get to join the "elite", AFTER you graduate.
Are these boys and girls actually, er, thick?
not that it would put me off as it is going to pay off in the long run.
Precisely.
Are these boys and girls actually, er, thick?
No, but at least they've got the stones to voice their opinions in 'real life', and not just on an internet forum! 😆
It's hardly investing in the future, is it.
Leave education with a debt in the region of tens of thousands of pounds, great start to your working life. An average house will set you back £180,000, good luck with that. Give it a generation, and the next round can add their parents' debts on to that from where they failed to pay off a basic cost of living whilst they were still living.
Unless the average wage leaps up to £50,000 in the near future, we're pooched.
They lost any vague support I may have been able to muster when they set fire to a wreath of poppies from the Cenotaph. Almost made me wish the last Harrier off the Ark Royal could make one last straffing run....
What they need to ask is "Is getting a degree going to make my earnings that much better that the cost of the student loans is worth it?"
If they can't answer that I would probably give it a miss....
SSP
Take a stoodent, three years at college, £9k fees, £5k to live on, three years. £42k all in. Starting salary £21k, a highish flyer gaining £1k in salary per year so at year 30, salary £50k. Assuming RPI at 3% and annual recalculations, they will pay back £39,150 over 30 years, at which time £56,257 gets written off. You need to be earning a fair bit more than that to get close to paying it back, or to have had well below £20k loan on normal salary levels. Make a spreadsheet and do the sums.
I thought the point was, that we haven't got the funds to "invest in the future", as you put it?
Unless the average wage leaps up to £50,000 in the near future, we're pooched.
I hope to earn quite a lot more than that.
I thought the point was, that we haven't got the funds to "invest in the future",
I think they call this 'myopic', or 'short-termism'?
As an aside, I'm laughing my arse off at the concept that engineers are better paid than creative types.
Perhaps what we need to do is stop breeding people who can fix stuff and start producing people who can sell stuff instead. Seems that's where the money is, and we won't need to fund degrees any more.
As an aside, I'm laughing my arse off at the concept that engineers are better paid than creative types.
LOL
And ruining my ride home
DEMONSTRATION WIN!!!!! 😀
This pleases me [i]significantly[/i].
Flashy; have you ever been involved in any violence?
Cullen-Bay - this 'hope' you have? What's it founded on?
The Southern Yeti - Member
Cullen-Bay - this 'hope' you have? What's it founded on?
working away from britain.
more specifically. 5 years for chem eng, then 2 years law, having 3 languages and working in patents.
to a few of the replies above.... if we were a nation of chemists, engineers and IT consultants then we would not have a very rounded society. We need philosophers, linguists, historians, sports physiotherapists and beauty technicians to give us a greater level of variation.
Don't slam these students. Support those who study to better themselves at whatever they want. Please don't assume that all students are like the tosser who threw the extinguisher and wreak havoc.
Well based on you career aspirations - you should pay full whack really shouldn't you?
He knew perfectly well two months before the election he had no intention of abolishing student fees," he said. They were able to form this rotten ConDem government on the basis of cheating, [b]I can't think of any worse crime.[/b]"
Quote from some student representative from the Guardian news website reporting on the protests for today. Now I'm sure things are looking pretty bleak if you're a student but really? No worse crime? In the grand scheme of things I think some perspective is needed...
I do agree with hans above, but i have to say, it is not the beauticians who will be paying for their education.
I think it should be. I dont think there should be a raise of the limit on repaying, 15.5k is enough, it encompasses more professions and discourages people from the less productive courses.
From the Guardian....but ...In the grand scheme of things I think some perspective is needed...
Some hope.
Fred - Yes. Sadly. I was a bouncer while at uni and had to bounce a fair few. Oh, and I played a lot of rugby. That can be pretty violent! 😉
The Southern Yeti - Member
Well based on you career aspirations - you should pay full whack really shouldn't you?
Yes, but so should the aspiring history of art students who I might be subsidising when im paying back.
If they choose to f' off out the country in to gratify their own selfish pursuit of wealth I'm inclined to agree with you... not sure many history of arts students are thinking like you though. 😆
selfish pursuit of wealth? i like it.
Fred - Yes. Sadly. I was a bouncer while at uni
No, I don't think being a receptionist at the Young Conservatives Ball counts. 😉
So, you haven't been in a situation like a demonstration gone bad, or a full-on riot then?
I have. Plenty of times. And the violence is kind of 'organic', actually. People feel under pressure, then get scared, then act instinctively. Very 'organic'.
Effin Students bag o shite 🙂
There should be a ciull of pointless courses and they should be limited numbers of places to do certain degrees,where there is absolutely no chance of a job at the end,
oh and if you want to do certain courseds get a firm to sponsor you, all tax deductable for the firm, you do your course and WORK in the holidays at the firm getting real experience, and actually meeting real working peoplem in a real working environment.
Duh its been done for many years it was called an apprenticeship, one which i have done.
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There I was, having a quiet pint, when a student walked past and nudged me, causing me to spill a bit. I did what any fine, upstanding citizen would do. I followed him to the toilet and kicked his head in. Perhaps I should have stopped kicking him when he was in the ambulance. But I did what I did because I want to live in a world where we can have a pint without fear of being nudged by a student. I that a crime? Is it a crime to want to live in a world of peace and harmony? Is it a crime to live in a world of love? Is it a crime to hit a student across the back of the head with a snooker ball in a sock?
can i transfer my student debt to the system that this lot are whinging about please?
i'm a guardian reading leftie, i get off the socialist bus 2-stops before it rolls into communist town.
i think we should be able to spend as long as we want studying as many degrees as we want.
i really do.
if you want to spend you whole life in uni, studying shakespeare in the original Klingon, then i salute you.
but someone has to pay for it...
only attractive people should be allowed into uni's.. it would make my drive home from work much more pleasing when stuck in traffic.
we all know deep down that the uggos end up working in low-end jobs like mechanics, call centres and bin men.
it would make the intelligent subjects (philosophy, science and such) much more attractive to the general public and therefore would end up with more government funding.
i rest my case.
only attractive people should be allowed into uni's..
The Uni I went to was 70% female. Large number of Norwegian and Japanese students. 🙂
I can't remember what subject I was sposed to study....
arseology and boobosophy
My golly theres some knobs on this forum, or is it infested with trolls?
This idea of "useful" degrees and "useless" degrees is all a bit cockeyed or even myopic. Some degrees, true, have straightforward and sometimes lucrative vocational applications. Other not so but that isn't to say that they are useless. High level study in any discipline contributes to the wealth of society and can develop creative ideas which may translate into work. It'd be dull indeed if the world were made up of IT specialists, engineers, and business graduates. Oh, hang on... Present company etc...
I think studies in the arts and humanities should be subsidised through tax for these reasons. The high earning chemical engineers can pay their whack so that we can have artists and philosophers in our communities. A view of education which only gives value to that which can be turned into cash is a bit sad and unambitious in my view.
Well said gritty. My definition of worthless degrees would be more aimed at the media studies type degrees.
No, but at least they've got the stones to voice their opinions in 'real life', and not just on an internet forum!
Its real easy to be brave when your part of a mob..
Apparently violence is an "organic reaction". Horsesh1t. It's the usual reactionary spoilt tw@s picking a fight with the police and thereby ruining a legitimate protest.
Thats the issue really isnt it? For some their is a definite case. But as Mr Woppit said the country is in the sh1t & we all have to take a big bite of the pie being served - why are students any ****in different? Why are they a special case?
Just imagine if the Army decided they had had enough..
Good point. What does it cost to get trained in the army? What abotu officers that get funded to get degrees? How much does their equipment cost? Is there no way we can make them pay for this?
