ElShalimo
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…but we can still ridicule and despise SYL. Despite the advantages of his upbringing, he’s a racist thug, pure and simple
Well, not really, his main purpose is to get a rise out of lefties. He does it quite successfully. A tiny pawn in larger strategies I'd say.
I thought the mines comment was a precursor to dropping in a stick of dynamite after him.
He’s had a few other names.
Created by himself or granted him by others?
.....his main purpose is to get a rise out of lefties. He does it quite successfully.
Yeah I bet he was pissing himself when the judge told him to pay £100,000 to a Muslim boy, plus half million in legal costs. I can't imagine why he said afterwards that he was "gobsmacked".
And he definitely got one over the lefties when he managed to get 2% of the vote in 2019.
And going to prison for contempt of court.
How does he do it?
Created by himself or granted him by others?
Well all but his birth name were created by himself, his parents granted him Stephen Yaxley-Lennon.
Then what happened? Thatcher. The rug pulled from under whole communities with no alternatives put in place.
A breeding ground for rogues such as SYL
Leaving aside the "no mines in Luton" aspect*, worth remembering that historically the number of mine closures by Labour and Tory governments was pretty much neck and neck, though Thatcher was probably more political about it, certainly.
*Actually, I take that back. The East Midlands as a former mining/industrial area hosted the old BNP Red White and Blue festival, and was the first to vote in a "Brexit" party MEP.
I wonder if this will be a brilliant marketing campaign for him? The injustice, donate now! Buy t-shirts but tickets to hear him speak etc. Bit like some blond guy from the USA
Will the court ordered investigation into his ‘wealth and means’ consider using an unexplained wealth order?
No because, afaik, there’s no link to the commission of a serious crime by syl (nor has there been mention of a particular property he has an interest in, be that a house or a pile of money, which was obtained by illicit wealth)
those who feel everyone else has failed them
They need to look in a mirror for the main culprits.
The UK education system is not brilliant but it is certainly better than the majority of the world. With a bit of application most folk could get decent grades and move 'up' in the world enough.
Spend all your time mucking around, playing the hard man and trying to disrupt others' education and you stand a higher chance of being one of these thuggish nobheads.
Danny - but why do they behave like that? What is in their background? child abuse, poverty, absent parents, drug abuse? alcohol abuse?
That guy in the muslamic ray guns clip looks like Fetal alcohol suyndrome
what if and it’s a massive what if he’s telling the truth
Well he lost the libel case as he was proven to be lying according to a court. So why do you think he might be telling the truth?
No smoke without fire eh 😉 ?
Anything is possible these days - what does that mean? Are you worried about a snowflake leftie bias in the court system against poor little Tommy?
Well he lost the libel case as he was proven to be lying
Is it not the other way round in the English system? i.e. he couldn't prove what he was saying was completely true which then gives some room for him and his supports to claim that there was truth in it but the biased courts ruled against our Tommeh.
Also the size of the award and costs has won him support with the loons - folk saying that well he might have been wrong but it's only that much because it's one of "them". Folk actually think this young man is going to get a cheque for £600k from him!
I can't help but feel that all the publicity isn't unwanted by him. As he's already bankrupt he can't be more bankrupt and he might be able to extract more "support" from his backers.
Daily Mash on the ball today https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/celebrity/your-legal-questions-answered-by-tommy-robinson-20210723210439
Danny – but why do they behave like that? What is in their background? child abuse, poverty, absent parents, drug abuse? alcohol abuse?
That's the key - Danny is right, opportunities are there through education, even if realistically they aren't as fair and equal as they should be, but lack of role models, generational issues are a big barrier.
Living now in a former mining/industrial area I do see a difference in those still fighting the battles of the 1970s and 80s and expecting someone to come and sort out their problems, and those who have swallowed their pride and try and make the best of the opportunities that are around. Its a balance the country as a whole needs to resolve.
It occurs to me that this result might even have been played for.
Perhaps why he represented himself from a certain point on.
If he is already 'bankrupt' then will he ever pay any of this?
What is in their background? child abuse, poverty, absent parents, drug abuse? alcohol abuse?
All of the above, and as children they deserve sympathy and help. As adults they get to make their own choices. It's really not hard at all to work out if you're a goodie or a baddie, it really isn't. Even for these stupid ****s. Thnakfully most of them finally work it out, That's why folk like SYL have to spend half their time recruiting
It occurs to me that this result might even have been played for.
100%. You couldn't buy the amount of prime time coverage he's got for £600k, which he needs as he's off the main media channels now. His base are not going to think he's now a terrible chap as a result of this. All they see is more Tommy, Syrian's getting £££ on top of their free government issued 3 bed houses and 56" TVs, more coverage of the original "allegations" which reinforces their views on refugees.
It occurs to me that this result might even have been played for.
Without doubt, he's played the 'only honest journalist, just telling the uncomfortable truth no one wants to hear' card for years. The right wing nut jobs in the states love his tales of 'no go areas' in London thanks to 'muslamistan' etc and fund him very generously for championing their cause.
A friend of mine works in a school in a very deprived, culturally mixed area and says while there are loads of very bright kids there's very little aspiration. Their mentality is that if it's ok for their parents then it's ok for them. I've no idea how this transfers over to deprived white areas and how it becomes a big pile of resentment and hatred.
If this nobhead is bankrupt then who actually pays the damages and fees? Lots of angry people laughing as they think Tommeh is supposed to pop round with a fat was of cash and that's not going to happen so it's a victory for him.
and fund him very generously for championing their cause.
Yeah I think he gets kept in cocaine with funding streams that ultimately end up at the doors of folk like Mercer and Koch (and even Bannon) the fine isn't going to trouble him overmuch I'd imagine.
worth remembering that historically the number of mine closures by Labour and Tory governments was pretty much neck and neck, though Thatcher was probably more political about it, certainly.
It is also worth remembering that the argument was never about mine closures per say but the devastating effect of closures on individuals, families, and their communities. Hence the slogan 'coal not dole'
The overwhelming pit closures which occurred before Thatcher occurred during periods of reconstruction, full employment, relative economic stability, and growing standards of living.
Thatcher pursued her policy of pit closures during a period when her economic policies were literally creating millions of unemployed with complete and total disregard for the devastating effect on individuals, families, and their communities.
And the effect of her premiership was devastating, creating a massive increase in criminality, violence, and social injustice.
coincidentally in todays grauniad cryptic crossword
Ultimately distant, newborn chick - mine closer? (8)
surprisingly uncryptic clue for a cryptic there
just trying to square the circle
Thatcher pursued her policy of pit closures during a period when her economic policies were literally creating millions of unemployed
From labourlist article :
Nationally, nearly 200,000 mining jobs were lost due to pit closures from the mid-eighties
where did the other job losses come from?
The UK education system is not brilliant but it is certainly better than the majority of the world. With a bit of application most folk could get decent grades and move ‘up’ in the world enough.
This is a fallacy borne of colonial arrogance, and the misguided belief the Britain is Best. Fact is, that the UK education system is in rapid decline, and markers such as literacy levels, place the UK way down the list of 'developed' countries. Beyond school education, it is increasingly more difficult to gain access to higher education, as costs rise, and training. What skews many studies of educational performance, is the fact that the UK sells many thousands of university places to overseas students (those who can afford to pay). This then shows up as the UK being a very attractive place to study (for those who can afford to pay). Social mobility is increasingly more difficult in the UK, as a result of deepening socioeconomic division, and our ridiculous and archaic class system. Given the wealth in the UK, the fact that it's in the top 10 nations in terms of GDP etc, then surely our education system should also rank so highly. But it doesn't, and it fails particularly those from the most deprived backgrounds. And so, the resentment and xenophobia creeps in.
100%. You couldn’t buy the amount of prime time coverage he’s got for £600k, which he needs as he’s off the main media channels now. His base are not going to think he’s now a terrible chap as a result of this. All they see is more Tommy, Syrian’s getting £££ on top of their free government issued 3 bed houses and 56″ TVs, more coverage of the original “allegations” which reinforces their views on refugees.
I think even his most ardent supporters are starting to see him as a loser now, because he keeps losing. £600k is a massive blow; he now won't be able to make any significant money without falling foul of the law requiring him to pay his debts, and will probably have to lay low for a few years at least. Those who were funding him, will now see him as a liability, and not want to waste any more of their investment in him. He's a spent force. There were a couple of dozen of his supporters/mates at the court, tops. A few years ago, there might have been hundreds, even thousands.
Well, not really, his main purpose is to get a rise out of lefties. He does it quite successfully. A tiny pawn in larger strategies I’d say.
This was the job he was 'employed' to do. He's exhausted his usefulness, those financing his exploits will now simply move on to another suitable vehicle. There are plenty of wannabes jostling for position; egotistical little bully boys who fancy a bit of the Tommeh fame. The far right will probably pick someone a little more subtle than Tommeh, to carry on his work. Tommeh was the perfect foil to Farage; in both, all bases were covered, from 'respectable', besuited ruling class toff, and 'ordinary working class bloke'. But I suspect there will be a few more niches need filling, before the far right are done. This is what we must all be vigilant against. Because it's not just some angry deluded thug from Luton, far greater forces are at work here.
He was being backed by the American alt right but don’t know if he still is. Let’s all hope he dies in a hideous way today for a good start to the weekend.
But it doesn’t, and it fails particularly those from the most deprived backgrounds.
I agree with your post whole heartedly, but this comment hides a lot of detail, black afro Carribbean kids do badly especially from deprived backgrounds and white kids do even worse, many Asian groups do better, Chinese origins even better. Even within Asian, Bangladeshi and Indian do better than ****stani. It's a lot to ponder and whilst Education in the UK could be massively improved a lot of these difference come from outside school influences. Of course if schools were better we'd deal with it better.
this comment hides a lot of detail, black afro Carribbean kids do badly especially from deprived backgrounds and white kids do even worse, many Asian groups do better, Chinese origins even better. Even within Asian, Bangladeshi and Indian do better than ****stani. It’s a lot to ponder and whilst Education in the UK could be massively improved a lot of these difference come from outside school influences.
To a significant extent, culture and history play a large part in all this. For white working class people, there is the cultural 'norm' of the class system, which keeps people compartmentalised; upper classes rule, middle classes go to university and are doctors, teachers, lawyers etc, and working class people 'don't do all that university stuff', concentrate instead on 'trades'. For many people of West Indian origin, the legacy of slavery has a similarly constricting effect, of engendering a sense of 'subservience' in people, thus affecting their confidence to go out and do 'better' for themselves. Colonialism still affects many with African heritage, in a similar way. Far Eastern cultures aren't as affected by such historical legacy though, and there does seem to be a very different view towards education and social progress. With South East Asian cultures there are significant differences of course between Hindus and Muslims, for example, and within Hinduism, there are significant social divisions. Islam doesn't come with the yolk of 'caste', like Hinduism; those form Indian Hindu backgrounds, are much more likely to come form the higher 'castes', which value education highly. Knowledge and learning have always been key within Islam (don't tell Tommeh).I would question different educational attainment levels between Bangladeshi and ****stani though, what you claim is not my own experience at least. But this is generalising on an extreme level though, and it's obviously far, far more complex than can be explained in just a few sentences.
Bottom line is that certain groups have been bred to believe in certain power structures, and it's those that fall through the 'cracks', who are excluded and ignored by those structures, those to whom the 'normal rule's cannot be applied, who seem to thrive more readily. Many white working class men are conditioned to believe they are the hard grafters, the builders and defenders of our realm. a myth that is constantly pedalled, in order to maintain a subservient 'cannon fodder' class. The problem is, that such people keep falling for this, and keep voting for those who really cause their woes. A sort of 'Stockholm Syndrome' on a wide scale.
where did the other job losses come from?
Potentially from de-nationalisation of utilities & transport.
By the time Margaret Thatcher was ousted from office in 1990, more than 40 UK state-owned businesses employing 600,000 workers had been privatised. “Over GBP60 billion of state assets were sold, and the share of employment accounted for by nationalised industries fell from 9% to under 2%."
( https://www.centreforpublicimpact.org/case-study/privatisation-uk-companies-1970s)
But for balance nationalisation was perhaps originally used in post war Labour Britain to provide employment, so the job losses were possibly an inevitability??? Using the Eastern Bloc as an example, when taken to the extreme nationalisation and a “jobs for all” agenda can create poor efficiency, productivity and services.
So I think focussing on pit closures is slightly misleading and perhaps unhelpful. It was just a small part of the whole political shebang in Post War Britain. It also ignores Thatchers motives and her dislike of the Trade Union Movement.
I would question different educational attainment levels between Bangladeshi and ****stani though, what you claim is not my own experience at least.
It's in the data I linked to.
I think even his most ardent supporters are starting to see him as a loser now, because he keeps losing.
Are they though?
Is he a loser, or a martyr? We've seen on this very thread, people commenting that his fans think he's just been made to hand over six hundred grand to a young brown boy. They aren't the sharpest tools, all he has to to is play the sympathy card, portray himself as the victim in this story and it'll be FREE ARE TOMMY! all over again.
What's the saying, "there's no such thing as bad publicity"? His big mates will pay off the fine, he'll have his face all over the newspapers again and he'll be laughing all the way to Wetherspoons.
Is he a loser, or a martyr?
A loser. His support has declined dramatically; as I said earlier, a couple of years ago, and he would have had hundred if not more, supporters outside the courts. This time, he could only muster a couple of dozen at best. The infighting that is constant amongst the far-right, means that there will be several jostling to be his 'successor'. Like an ageing boxer, this last defeat means his career will struggle to get back to anywhere near where it was. And the financial liabilities mean he is now a bad 'investment'. £600,000. Not relative peanuts, like previously.
What’s the saying, “there’s no such thing as bad publicity”? His big mates will pay off the fine, he’ll have his face all over the newspapers again and he’ll be laughing all the way to Wetherspoons.
Paul Golding was his predecessor. Even less educated, and noticeably less intelligent. Golding was finished some years ago. Still pops up from time to time, but his time in the sun is well past. The thing with those on the far-right, is that given enough rope, they will hang themselves. I think that's what's happened to Tommeh; he got arrogant and cocky, buoyed by his own 'success', and then went too far. He didn't count on such a 'weak' target actually being able to fight back. Bit off more than he could chew, and it's ****ed him. He's damaged goods now anyway, as far as any wealthy backers will be concerned. Hopefully, this will be the last of him, barring any likely further imprisonment for being a ****. The real concern is that this may anger him to the point of desperation, and as he's been radicalised to such an extreme level, he could do something mad, to finally secure that 'martyrdom' he so desperately craves. Would be ironic.
It’s in the data I linked to.
Interesting. I wonder if it's got anything to do with which areas particular communities are concentrated in. Many people of Bangladeshi origin live in London, whereas you'll find predominantly ****stani communities in other cities, such as Bradford, Leeds etc. Maybe that has some bearing on attainment levels. I must admit I'm a bit out of date with the actual figures these days, so thanks for the link.
Yaxley-Lennon's favourite way of dealing with criticism and scrutiny is go around accusing people of being pederasts "I only wanna talk"
There are innumerable victims, in fact we're seeing this sort of thing happening across the far right spectrum, former UKIP activist and failed Conservative candidate Jay Beecher tweeted baseless allegations of the same sort of thing about Peter Jukes (exec editor of the Byline Times) - the idea is that it's a dog whistle and is used to intimidate critics. Remember that there's a large group of people who can't differentiate between a paedophile and a paediatrician who are easily kept in a state of indignation.
Unfortunately, Yaxley-Lennon has support from the US far right and certain elements in the Russian establishment. £500k in legal fees will be chicken feed to them until Yaxley-Lennon's brand becomes toxic to the point that he alienates his "working class" (thick, uneducated racist) core support here when he'll have his revenue stream quietly staunched when there will be another gobby, racist populist wannabe with some sort of pitiful USP waiting in the wings to take his place.
Is he going to **** off back to Spain or will his criminal record stop that now weev got sovrenty?
£500k in legal fees will be chicken feed to them
Of course. But they're not going to break cover over him, because paying such an amount on his behalf would attract a lot of attention. They're content to stay in the shadows. Grooming and promoting the next recruit is far easier and less risky. Just keep an eye out for Tommeh 2.0...
Using the Eastern Bloc as an example, when taken to the extreme nationalisation and a “jobs for all” agenda can create poor efficiency, productivity and services.
Yeah it's not about the Eastern Bloc, and mass unemployment is not a good substitute for "jobs for all".
Thatcherite Tories will simultaneously claim that no one should should be on the dole and that no one has the right to a job.
The campaign against pit closures was actually about the right to work. There is no society on Earth where everything that needs to be done has been done and any unemployment is simply due to surplus requirement.
Millions of people idle due to unemployment does not represent efficiency. Which explains why the tax burden went through the roof under Thatcher.
But the greatest cost was the social cost. It lay the basis for ever growing social inequality and all the problems it invariably brings such as rising crime and violence.
It shouldn't be forgotten that whilst the northern working-class in industrial towns were being thrown out of work and denounced as "the enemy within" by Thatcher, self-serving 'yuppies' in the metropolises were filling their boots with new found wealth because apparently they were worth it.
Nothing epitomised more Thatcher's contempt for social justice than the poll tax. It brought about her demise but the damage her premiership left on the fabric of society is still visible today.
Mind you none of that explains why Yaxley-Lennon is a ****. You can't blame Thatcher for that.
They’re content to stay in the shadows.
You sure about that?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/dec/07/tommy-robinson-global-support-brexit-march
He's such a stickler for international immigration law I can't see him trying to get into Spain... Unless he's kept his false passport connections.
You sure about that?
We know he's had prominent backers in the past. But that was a while ago, when things were quite different; Trump was in the White House. Times have changed though, and the prospect that they'd now just be throwing good money after bad, won't be as enticing. If they'd wanted to support him, they could have helped provide a decent legal team for him. He's too well known now, has had successive 'failures', and doesn't really have much more to offer. He's going to be far more constrained, legally, as he's now had several convictions, so further offences will now carry longer sentences. He can't do much for your brand if he's in jail. I could be wrong, but like I said; there are plenty of willing candidates who might seem less toxic, and that's where the smarter money will go.
like Hopkins, he has rich US right wing backers funding his activities.
Apparently the vast majority of his funding for overseas has dumped him when he lost his Twitter/Facebook feeds.
Millions of people idle due to unemployment does not represent efficiency. Which explains why the tax burden went through the roof under Thatcher.
Yup - spent all the north sea oil money on unemplyment benefits - and imported dirty subsidised coal from Poloand
Yup – spent all the north sea oil money on unemplyment benefits – and imported dirty subsidised coal from Poland
I was about to add an indignant "now hang on a minute!" until I saw the poster and understand the context - sorry TJ!
Mind you none of that explains why Yaxley-Lennon is a ****. You can’t blame Thatcher for that.
😂
Y-L is clearly no fool. You don’t get a comment like the below from the judge if you are:
At the end of the trial, I acknowledged that the Defendant, with the assistance of Mr Lockwood, had conducted himself properly throughout the trial. He complied with all the Court's directions and there were only a couple of instances when I had to intervene in respect of some of the questions asked of witnesses.
The court papers are interesting and worth a read. Para 110-115 and then 145. Clearly the EDL were in this and motivated to use children for their own devices. That has backfired, because guess what? Children make unreliable witnesses, especially in documented settings such as schools and with regards to medical records.
Personally I hope he rots in what would have been a debtors prison.