[Closed] South-East drivers

In India they drive on what side of the road they feel like! I know, ive been scared crapless by it this year!

One of the downsides with a belief in karma / fate / whatever - if you die it just happens to be your time. Worried about yourself? Don't it's clearly your time too 🙂

If it isn't in a Pizza Express box. I won't touch it.
Also it has to be plain so that I can put my own favourite brands of anchovies and capers on it.

molgrips......
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They simply live and drive a different way to us, and when they move here, they bring it with them. Young Asians born here tend to be as car-aware as we are, yes indeed, but the older ones are, in general, not up to the same standard as most other people.

That's pretty flimsy, Peter. The vast majority of people of overseas origin who drive in the UK have learned and passed their test here in the UK. Most will never have driven overseas. Foreign licences are only valid for 12 months. To continue driving here, you have to pass a UK driving test.

My point is, that without justification, Hora's comments are ignorant and bigoted, but sadly that's the norm with him. He may well have a point to make based on his own personal experience, but to me it's just more of the same 'foreigners aren't as good as us' crap that he often comes up with.

As a Londoner, I see bad driving from all sorts. I just see a bad driver though, I don't tend to note what colour or nationality they are. Good and bad in all.

Very good moley - a wee rant about driving in the south eats and we have 3 pages of accusations flying back and forward. Couldn't have done better myself

I think it's non-EU licenses that are only valid for a year Elf.

As for Hora's comments - are generalism, prejudice and racism all the same thing?

Couldn't have done better myself

That's serious praise!

[i]Hora's comments are ignorant and bigoted, but sadly that's the norm with him[/i]

Damn. And you and he were getting on so well yesterday. 🙁

My point is, that without justification, Hora's comments are ignorant and bigoted, but sadly that's the norm with him. He may well have a point to make based on his own personal experience, but to me it's just more of the same 'foreigners aren't as good as us' crap that he often comes up with.

But surely the original comment was bigoted as well suggesting south east drivers are worse than northerners.

In fact Somalian drivers from London are a sub group of SE drivers and you didnt start ranting at the OP.

I don't think he's inherently nasty, just ignorant and lacking in the ability to think things through a bit before he types.

I'm pretty sure he's reading this, but lacks the balls and intelligence to actually explain his stupid comments.

Hey ho.

He's like a dozy mate you have to keep explaining things to, because he doesn't 'get it' like other folk do.

It's a shame though; considering the wealth of information available so that we can enlighten ourselves about the World around us, that some people continue to wallow in their own ignorance. 🙁

But surely the original comment was bigoted as well suggesting south east drivers are worse than northerners.

I don't think it did; Molgrips lives in Bristol! 🙂

The OP din't allude to the abilities of people according to their ethnicity, merely their location....

Bristol! How dare you! I live in Cardiff 🙂

Elf, I accept your point.. HOWEVER he described a correlation between ethnicity and driving style, NOT a causal link.

There's a difference, don't you agree?

The OP din't allude to the abilities of people according to their ethnicity, merely their location....

Sorry I dont get this at all ???

Would it be ok to say people who live in Somalia are rubbish at driving then ?

HOWEVER he described a correlation between ethnicity and driving style, NOT a causal link.

No, he din't actually explain anything; he merely said:

of course you need to keep well away from the Somalian drivers.

No explanation [i]why[/i] we're meant to keep away from the Somalian drivers. Just that we should keep away from them.

I have a few Somalian friends who drive in London. Perhaps Hora could come down here and explain to them why we should keep away from them?

Well I assumed he meant a correlation...

Is it something to do with Pirates? Or Pilates? I get them mixed up.

What a pussy.

Man-up, you limp-wristed Northern loser!

Slug. That's what you get from a diet of crap beer, fags and lard.

I'm not bloody Northern! I'm half Northern, half Welsh from the Midlands. Or West Country depending on who you talk to.

West Country? Where the hell's that? No wonder you move around like a pregnant cow.

Get out of the way.

I have a few Somalian friends who drive in London.

I got the impression you knew all of them given the authority with which you speak!

Anyway Londoners shouldnt be on the roads, bunch of pikeys!

So to sum up, [s]drivers[/s] people [s]in the SE[/s] are either:
a) retarded
b) c**ts
c) both

There - fixed it for the pair of you.

" Foreign licences are only valid for 12 months. To continue driving here, you have to pass a UK driving test."

and a significant proportion drive with expired license or no license. In some area of London I think it's meant to be some stupid %. I can't find he article now but it was in several papers.

+1 Surrounded by Zulus.

Sums it up nicely.

The vast majority of people of overseas origin who drive in the UK have learned and passed their test here in the UK.

This sounds like speculation to the same degree as Hora's.

Is Cardiff in the North then? I have no idea. It's outside the M25, that's all I know.

This sounds like speculation to the same degree as Hora's.

Ok:

The vast majority of people of overseas origin who [b]are registered to drive[/b] in the UK have learned and passed their test here in the UK.

Better?

I should clarify that by 'overseas' I mean outside the EU.

Where is Hora to explain himself? Coward. Big gob, no bottle...

No wonder you move around like a pregnant cow.

Get out of the way.

😆

London car drivers are the most entertaining in the SE. Come time to bike across to Waterloo in the evening and it's more like a white-water adrenaline rush on two wheels!! Got it down to 13 minutes from work without dying, yet!!!

How good is that!?!?!? 😯 😀 8)

GET OUT OF MY WAY!

Ferkin pedestrians.

PS: All on a Brompton, I might add...

To which I've just fitted spuds.

AWEsome.

Got it down to 13 minutes from work without dying, yet!!!

Waterloo to Thomas More St, isn't it?

On a Brompton? 😯

That's pretty bloody good if you ask me...

Waterloo to Thomas More St, isn't it?

Yerp.

Even more fun in the dark.

Which route do you take?

I should clarify that by 'overseas' I mean outside the EU.

😆

Ever driven in rural France? It's like a whole new world... (that crosses the road at random and on blind bends)

😉

(The Periphique (sp?) at rush hour is pretty interesting too)

Stacey demonstrates the cycling eskimo roll....

Usually, round the Imax, along Stamford street, Southwark Street, turn right into St. Thomas Street then under the bridge past the Shard - Staines Street into Tooley Street.

Then along to Tower Bridge. Over the bridge, hack right across the oncoming traffic onto the pavement along East Smithfield.

Stamford street is oncoming one-way at the moment with roadworks, so it's out the back of W'loo and along the parallel route to the south until I turn left at Guildford Street to get back onto Southwark...

Coming back it's straight along Tooley until London Bridge, then straight through and round the Imax Death Race 2000 circus.

I'm not bloody Northern! I'm half Northern, half Welsh from the Midlands. Or West Country depending on who you talk to.

Anywhere north of the Watford Gap is the north country. Strange things happen there! 😉

So we are agreed then. Teh south east is full of pasty faced selfish subsidy gobbling illiterate twunts who could not drive safely if their life depended on it.

And to think my taxes go towards subsiding them

TandemJeremy - Member
So we are agreed then

Shouldn't think so. Stay north of Watford or get out of my way.

Fatso.

The watford gap is in Northamptonshire though so well north of Cardiff.

Unfortunately every one thinks its to do with Watford in London.

Ever driven in rural France? It's like a whole new world... (that crosses the road at random and on blind bends)

I did a summer job in a delivery van around SW London and I have had far worse experiences south of Lyon. Dont start on about the French on roundabouts please!

On topic,
You went to Pizza Hut for pizza.
In your car.
In Farnborough.

You lose. 😆

Tonight I'll be having black bass with a sun-dried tomato ragu and chorizo, with dauphinoise potatoes. In my room.

That better?

Infinately 😀

On topic,
You went to Pizza Hut for pizza.
In your car.
In Farnborough.

I did no such thing!

I'd never eat a pizza from Pizza Hut.

The vast majority of people of overseas origin who are registered to drive in the UK have learned and passed their test here in the UK.

And all the other arguments about this. I've been mulling it over carefully before replying. 🙂

Now, weather someone (Anyone) has passed a UK test or not means only one thing - They drove well enough to satisfy an examiner for 1/2 an hour. Which, to be fair, isn't that hard. Drive slowly and obey the law and you've cracked it. And the habits any older immigrant grew up with die hard, very hard. And like it or not, once they have a license, there's a good chance they'll slip back into their old ways.

And there people who make poor drivers: You know, you see a car in front driving in a certain way, and you say to yourself "Ahh. That'll be a XXXXXXXX [from XXXXXXX]* driving like that" and sure as eggs is eggs, you're right.
Drive for long enough, and you develop a 6th sense about it, like a copper has a nose for sniffing out criminals.....I certainly have. Ask Mrs PP - We'll be in the car together, and I'll say - "That bloke's gonna pull out in front of you" And then he does. And she looks at me all funny, wondering how I know...
And it was only when I went to India earlier this year that I understood why I see fair amount of (Generally older, granted) Asian people driving like they do. It's not not something that overly bothers me, I'm quite chilled when I drive generally, but it's something I noticed, a connection I made. Realisation if you like.
They have a 'style' shall we say?

Elfin mate, you don't drive do you? You just won't notice it like I do, you won't make that connection because you've never needed to, but it exists, honestly it does. 🙂

*Could be cabbie [from London], sales rep, young mum [on school run] old duffer, truck driver [from Poland] or any person from any country, an Italian, an Aussie (They really ARE bad drivers too!), or indeed an Indian from India.

Poland.. or any person from any country, an Italian, an Aussie (They really ARE bad drivers too

CharlieMungus - Member

Poland.. or any person from any country, an Italian, an Aussie (They really ARE bad drivers too

you can recognise and differentiate between these races?

you can recognise and differentiate between these races?

They were examples! You're just trying to pick an argument that doesn't exist. 🙂
Three countries I picked because I've been to 2 of them which have markedly different driving styles, and Poland because I know a LOT of E.European lorry drivers through my work, and generally, they're bloody good at it!

Although to be fair, I reckon I could tell an average Italian from an average Australian: The Italians can drive, the Aussies can't. They really ARE that bad. Scarily bad. Worse then the Indians a lot of the time..... 🙂

WTF Are you talking about? Have you ever herd of generalisation? Besides, the Polish, the Italians and the Australians are not races. People - certainly, races - no.

OH FFS IT WAS AN EXAMPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! STOP TWISTING THE POINT!

I got hassled by a dutch lorry driver on the way here on Monday. Right aggressive nutter, and speeding too. I will keep an eye out for the next dutch lorry driver, see if he does the same 😉

People - certainly, races - no.

The rest is debatable. This is just wrong. No point arguing about facts. Go look in a dictionary.

You're just trying to pick an argument that doesn't exist.

They're the best kind!
🙁

STOP TWISTING THE POINT!

Ok, let's try this. You can't twist a point. The whole 'point' about a point, is that is a singularity. It is dimensionless, there is no place to which it can be twisted.

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Any takers?

Either the drivers are much better down here in Cornwall or we simply avoid blaming everyone else every time something unexpected happens.

Sure people do some daft things in cars but then don't we all on occasions? Unless it's a clearly aggressive act of driving, live and let live. And give OAP drivers a wide berth.

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I'm not a racist, but ....

all Portsmouth drivers are SHIT.

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Charlie - Can I take your / the point then?

Mat, driving standards vary wildly in different areas of the country ime. Whenever I've driven in Cornwall (although it was a long time ago) it seemed fine.

It's because people tend to do things they see other people doing. So that leads to regional driving variations.

[i]Mat, driving standards vary wildly in different areas of the country[/i]

No shit. Cities are obviously always worse than rural areas.
Everyone in Portsmouth thinks they're in some kind of race. A race to get nowhere.

A race to get out of Portsmouth. No one wants to loose that race.

You obviously have to drive differently in a big city but the same "rules" still apply - criticise yourself before others and life gets easier.

Lived in London for a year and was quite happy driving anywhere in the Big Smoke. You just need to be pretty assertive.

I'm not a racist, but ....

all Portsmouth drivers are SHIT.

Portsmouth is shit full stop.

PeterPoddy, it wasn't aimed at you, sorry if it hurt you.
CharlieMungus, dictionary? What for?
A mate of mine, a long-term lorry driver, drove in France for several months and then arrived to Folkstone. All went smoothly but people were hooting at him all the time. It took an armed Police van to force him to stop, he was driving on the wrong side of the road. Does it make all the Poles crap drivers? I am, but that's a different story, isn't it?

So - we have established that south east drivers are crap drivers because they are a different race from the planet Hurryupyoukahnt

Is that right?

Why are most of the 'most dangerous roads in Britain' in the North of England?

'cos thats when the hills and corners are - only dangerous 'cos the south east drivers try and drive on them, get confused at the lack of traffic jams and drive into the beautiful scenery

Ahh, I knew there'd be a logical explanation.

Those dangerous roads in the norf are dangerous because there's all these elderly "born again bikers" pouring themselves into leathers and riding 150bhp motorbikes that they can't go round corners on and then kill themselves or or sometimes some other people as well. Also all norferners think they're the best at everything.
Cornish driving is chilled because there's only about 200 people there who can read well enough to take the test, and anyway red diesel only gets used in tractors.
London/ SE driving can be rather aggressive mostly because there's about 15 million cars trying to get to more or less the same place at the same time, oh, and the yummy mummies in Porsche Cayenne Turbo's kerbing them outside Freddy's school then outside Cafe Rouge.

CharlieMungus, dictionary? What for?

to find out what a race is

[quote=The Southern Yeti] - Member
Charlie - Can I take your / the point then?

Take it? I doubt if you could even see it.

Are you needling me Mungus, or is it as I've long suspected..... you're pointless?

no, no. The point is that there is always a point but often you cannot see it. You need to move to the argand plane

Is this a one dimensional argument?

If you can't twist a point what does a bradawl do?

And ffs it's lose (as in lost, loser, losing),
loose is to be released from or for something that is not tight (unlike my pedantic backside when someone uses loose instead of lose)

An imaginary point... the basis upon which I've watched you start many an argument 😆

But remember there is a real component as well