[Closed] Soundbars....I take it all back...

plugged the TV in via optical, and have an echo dot in via 3.5mm..

Soundbars are still a heavily compromised way of getting sound under your telly.

The BT3 have been around for a while and are great.

"Real speakers sound better" shocker. You just need three more now.

I recently hooked up our TV to a set of Genelec monitors that were being unused since I upgraded in my 'studio'.
Now that sounds good! A set of decent quality active studio monitors take some beating 😀 I think they were £600 or so new 😳 maybe a bit overkill for the lounge!

Dunno, in't it obvious that a pair of active speakers will sound better than a single sound bar? I know mine do, but I never use them cos they haven't got a remote!

speakers sound better" shocker. You just need three more now

You're having a laugh right?

 

Yeah.

It's 2017, should be five more.

Well it is obvious, but for a similar price (£199 for speakers..that's sound bar range) I wasn't aware it would be SO much better.

Plus, doing away with the need for separate amp was a real bonus!

DrP

Currently have a pair of Sonos play one speakers, would you say these are better sound quality for music? They definitely seem more multipurpose.

this is a slight hijack sorry, we have just moved house, the previous occupants had a small sitting room for TV duties that had 4No Bose speakers in each corner. i asked and paid extra for them to leave them behind (as i really didnt want exposed holes in the walls as they're all chased in) so now im left with a bunch of wires poking out of the wall behind the tele but nothing to plug them into.
I assume i need some kind of amp? what kind of amp do i need? ive never had an amp before, kind of feels a bit old fashioned? - i have a soundbar from the old house that i just plugged in via optical, job done!

I'm a bit like DrP in that "I bought a sound bar system for the tv, plugged it in and accepted its output" but I might just do something like this.

Thanks for posting.

How big are the BT3s?

Always had the TV connected to the hifi for years, through many system upgrades.

Never saw the point in "soundbars" except as a way of extracting cash from people with more money than sense...

Glad the OP has found it out for himself, but it's pretty obvious that 5 (or 7, or 11 etc etc) speakers are going to do a much better job of separating the sounds and surrounding the listener, than a single box sitting under the TV trying to bounce them around.

Never saw the point in "soundbars" except as a way of extracting cash from people with more money than sense...

Bit unfair. They do improve the sound compared to most build in flat screen speakers. Mostly bought by people whose other halves don't want lots of speakers and wires in the living room?

I'll admit I just walked into John Lewis and said "that tv, and the soundbar and surround system that goes with it"
And walked out...

Always disliked "surround sound". Noises off from what you're looking at.

Surround-sound with a VR headset however, now you're talking...

[i]Never saw the point in "soundbars" except as a way of extracting cash from people with more money than sense.[/i]

Well, I have an old plasma TV and the sound isn't great. The layout of my room doesn't lend itself well to speakers (except the active ones on my wall, but they're too far from the telly) and the fact that I have a next door neighbour means there is no point having volume blasting out through some expensive kit. So, £45 soundbar, sits in the cabinet, much improvement and doesn't annoy old Doris.
("More money than sense"... from an "audiophile"
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One could argue that crap sound has been designed into more recent TVs to sell them at a cheaper price point and then get people to buy overpriced plastic logs with speakers inside...

I use an old Acoustic Energy Aego pair of speakers with subwoofer on the one tv not plugged into proper hifi - wall mounted and discrete and white, it works really well.

Bit of a daft question, but can you set it so left and right are reversed? In our front room the telly and power sockets are on the left of the chimney breast, so we'd have the speaker without the gubbins over on the right.

Never saw the point in "soundbars" except as a way of extracting cash from people with more money than sense...

They're a convenient upgrade over dismal TV speakers. Nothing more.

One could argue that crap sound has been designed into more recent TVs to sell them at a cheaper price point

Maybe, but given how flat TVs are, it's difficult to fit reasonable size speakers into them, mind you there's no reason why they couldn't squeeze something like creative t40's into the design, would add about £80 to the price.

That would be a decent improvement over what they normally come with but still not arguably good enough for a larger screen.

You just can't beat a dedicated amp and speakers for big high quality sound, not even nessesarily a high end set.

I hate the sound that comes from most modern TVs.
Being tight I didn't want to pay out for a soundbar either.
So I've got an old Pioner amp connected to the TV via an optical / aux converter and a couple of old Wharfdale speakers.
So much better. Ok it doesn't have a remote, but the TV recorder does, so works a treat. Only had to buy the converter for about £12 and that was it.
Speakers sit behind the TV and amp in the unit underneath.

Some years ago I wired the TV audio through an old Sony hifi system (separates not a mini or midi system) - amazing sound. Our current living room configuration doesn't allow for that any more.

I hard-wired our previous house for full-surround sound, took me a few days and we were decorating anyway...

Also did our current house, big job but it's such a large room that no way could TV speakers fill it. Did the hifi too (different speakers that we wanted in a different place).

Mr whoppit missing the point there! I'm sure we could ask walk through your life as make similar statements of your "convenience vs quality" items!!

Anyway, as per my op, I don't want 5/7/34.1 surround sound! Hence the sound bar choice initially.. But the bt3 offer similar convenience, with vastly superior sound.

Re the channel swap..I asked q acoustics just that, as for our pole room (what, you don't have a pole dancing room at home??!!) The setup would only work if everything went into the LEFT speaker. Alas, you can't swap..

DrP

Never saw the point in "soundbars" except as a way of extracting cash from people with more money than sense...

Bit harsh - we bought a £500 48" Sony TV just over a year ago, and picked up a Sony Soundbar with separate wireless subwoofer at the same time.
The difference when the sound system is turned on is noticeable, especially 'big' sound on action films.

Mr Woppit - Member

Always had the TV connected to the hifi for years, [b]through many system upgrades[/b].

Never saw the point in "soundbars" except as [b]a way of extracting cash from people with more money than sense...[/b]

LOL

I take it this was an attempt at ironic humour or something?

please, what Amp for surround sound?

what Amp for surround sound

A basic search on the net will surely give you a few results for this? I don't mean that in a condescending way but it will help you know.

I've got an Arcam amp but it's a little pricey.

please, what Amp for surround sound?

Yamaha.

Thanks for posting. I listened to sound bars and then just plugged in my old £50 pc//iPod music speaker. I also have an ancient flatscreen Sony with integrated side speakers and although its only 720 the all round experience ex sport is better imho.

please, what Amp for surround sound?

What HiFi is a good place to start if you have absolutely no idea. I believe the recommended budget (~£500!) brand at the moment is Denon, with Pioneer and Yamaha also good choices as you start looking at £800-£1500+.

If you are talking cheapo systems, I have no idea.

Dr P: does it work with your tv remote? Advertising bumf suggests that it might.... but only talks specifically about sky/cable boxes

its difficult to search when you dont really know what you're looking for, but nothing will ever sound impressive enough for me to spend >£500.

will probably just end up using the old soundbar...

its difficult to search when you dont really know what you're looking for, but nothing will ever sound impressive enough for me to spend >£500.

I'm sure people say very similar things about mountain bikes.

Anyone got any views on what to look for in a clear voice systems/options? Don't care about overall sound but want to hear the dialogue

I imagine at under £500 you are looking at Currys specials integrated surround sound systems that also include the speakers (LG, Samsung, Panasonic etc all do them).

i already have all the speakers and the sub, just no junction for connecting them to the tv. i had no idea they were such pricey bits of kit. could even replace my old sound bar with a pretty smart new one for a lot less than the price of some amps ive been looking at... im not that arsed about premium quality audio, just the tv in its own sounds shit.

You don't have to spend that much

[url= http://www.richersounds.com/product/av-receivers/denon/avrx520bt/deno-avrx520bt-blk ]http://www.richersounds.com/product/av-receivers/denon/avrx520bt/deno-avrx520bt-blk[/url]

Ah right, thanks. so its an AV receiver i need. How are folks under 40 supposed to know this stuff... 😉

still, would you bother 5.1 in 2017 or just go soundbar?? that Denon thing is a big ugly brute, dunno where id put it...

still, would you bother 5.1 in 2017 or just go soundbar?? that Denon thing is a big ugly brute, dunno where id put it...

Any good 5.1 system is a massive upgrade over a soundbar imho.
Pretty much all AV receivers are big ugly brutes. You can get some 'slim line' models (Marantz, Yamaha and others do them) that are slightly compromised, but will still be a vast improvement. That cheapish Denon above is a bit basic and won't have the functionality (and upgrade-ability) of newer and more expensive kit, but if it does everything you want, it might not be a bad choice.

http://www.richersounds.com/product/av-receivers/yamaha/rxv381/yama-rxv381-blk

Another 40 quid gets you the next model up with DLNA (so you can stream A/V to it) and a smartphone remote. If I were buying a new amp tomorrow, that's what I'd buy.