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Have you seen this. It's Skoda so keeps STW happy. Great size for bikes and far from slow.
My current BM dealer must be reading this - he phone me yesterday and is looking to make me an offer on a '14 plate 320d SE - 40k miles upgraded with all the kits I'd want £16k.
Lol.
That 4x4 DSG Superb Estate linked a few posts up ^^^^. I was set on one, albeit the diesel version, and nearly pressed the button on it in February. Deal wise I was significantly less per month on a 4 yr pcp getting the same engine and gearbox in an A6 Avant quattro, which is what I did
My current BM dealer must be reading this - he phone me yesterday and is looking to make me an offer on a '14 plate 320d SE - 40k miles upgraded with all the kits I'd want £16k.
Do it, do it, do it.
As long as the seats have been upgraded, Since getting sports seats in the new 2AT it made me realise how crap the standard seats are.
So you're going to buy a car with the same engine as the one you have now, only smaller so it'll be slower? And BORING if it's anything like the one I had a go in. Yet previously you were considering an ST estate. What do you actually want?
What do you actually want?
There's a loaded question....
Depends if he was looking at the ST or the STD (s****) if it was the D then it's only a bodykits worth of performance better than the 320, power and 0-60 are pretty much the same and having had a brand new Focus followed by a 4yo 3 series I know which I'd prefer.
If it's the Petrol ST he's looking at then who knows.
It was the STD I was looking at.
Flange you need to bear in mind my job involves me cruising the motorways of the South/Wales regions, and for that dull, boring and auto is what you want. I do significant bike carrying miles also.
I'm getting very frustrated and leg-ache in the 120d currently sitting in traffic, as I did yesterday sitting on the M25 in a queue at 6am. As I've said before if it were auto I probably would be content.
The 320 isn't [i]that[/i] much slower either in so much it'd make a difference, but it is slightly bigger, has more comfy ride (SE vs Sport), and is auto. On top it adds Nav and leather.
Mrs K is happy with the idea, I'll see what magic numbers - if any - the dealer comes back with for me to exchange the cars on the PCP deal.
I've got a 118d sport with the sport auto box. It's really good. Looking at a 320i touring next time and will be ticking the box for the auto option without hesitation.
Assume you are talking about the 3 series as a Tourer?
Saloon only has folding rear seats as an option unless that has changed of late?
If I was getting my own car for work a 320d Auto would be absolute top of the list, without question.
I used to think they were the boring obvious choice until I lived with one for a few months. Mine didn't even have DAB, nav or bluetooth streaming, they brought that in as standard equipment in 2014.
Assume you are talking about the 3 series as a Tourer?
Yep. As per prawny its the >2014 spec.
What do you actually want?
What a stupid question, an RS4 obviously and he's buying one next year 🙂 An no that was before the OP found inner peace 🙂
My current BM dealer must be reading this - he phone me yesterday and is looking to make me an offer on a '14 plate 320d SE
I thought your car had to be less than 5 years old, so you'll be in the same position in a year or two?
I thought your car had to be less than 5 years old
I had a look at the policy when I was in the office yesterday. Its been revised to "a car which of a suitable reflection of your job role"
BMW Touring vs Travelling Salesman = win! 😀
Its been revised to "a car which of a suitable reflection of your job role"
That opens up a whole world of possibilities 🙂
Boot and rear leg space on the 3 series in tiny !
That opens up a whole world of possibilities
Do me a favour and don't list them. 😉 😀
Do me a favour and don't list them.
You've probably started a thread about most 🙂
With the residuals on them when they work out the pcp deal, could a 5 series be a similar price per month to a 3 series
Boot and [b]rear leg space[/b] on the 3 series in tiny !
You having a lend?!
Loads of leg room in the back of a 3 series, much better than a focus, much much much better.
Boot is big enough too, not as big as a passat obviously, but it's a smaller more fun to drive car.
Nope my mate had a 335d and when he had his drivers seat set for him I couldn't sit behind him.
His 14 year old struggles too.
Oh and .....
Bmw 3 series boot size : 480 litres
Skoda Octavia boot size : 590 litres
How tall is he? I'm 5'11 and I can comfortably sit in the back with my seat where I have it. It was a squeeze in the focus, which was the original car in question.
Are you looking at regularly carrying 6 footers in the back Kryton? If so, the GT has more rear legroom than the 5 series so might be worth a look.
We are both 6 footers.
Absolutely no problem in my Octavia.
Litres only tell half the story with boot size, my 2 series AT we bought on the strength that the boot was 470 litres compared to 480 in the 3 series saloon, but in the real world the 3 series boot is miles bigger. There's no comparison between the two. But I've not lived with an Octavia so I don't know.
Even if the boot is bigger though, if you're the OP and you're looking at a fun to drive but economical automatic estate car which would you seriously choose? I know which I'd have and I wanted an Octavia when we bought the 3 series.
Edit -
Me and the Mrs went in an octavia taxi over the summer - I didn't find it better than the 3 series.
Aye but sometimes it comes down to cost too !
I would rather save myself quite a few quid with the Octavia over the 3 series.
I test drove one when I was looking for a new car and found the 3 series dull as dishwater to be honest.
Also you are going to have to spend a lot of cash on a beemer to get it to the equivalent spec of an Octavia vrs.
Comparing sporty against sporty....
320 m sport auto tourer : £36910
Octavia vrs Diesel dsg : £27910
The vrs octavia dsg comes in about £4k cheaper than than that if you shop around. Not looked at BMW prices though.
True - Octys are a lot cheaper RRP new, can't deny that. If you were a cash buyer it would be a major draw
Not such a massive difference used though, or lease prices.
Plus Non VRS Octys are even more dull than a 3 series.
£28k for an Octavia??
Also you are going to have to spend a lot of cash on a beemer to get it to the equivalent spec of an Octavia vrs.Comparing sporty against sporty....
320 m sport auto tourer : £36910
Octavia vrs Diesel dsg : £27910
those figures only mean anything if you are purchasing outright. On a PCP where dealer contributions, manufacturer contributions and residual value all impact, it is often the case that the BM/Audi will be less per month than the VW/Seat/Skoda
flange - Member
£28k for an Octavia
This is one of the reasons I like the vRS. A lot of badge snobs laugh at the thought of paying so much for a skip.
When compared against the equivalent golf gtd or a3, BMW etc, the money all of a sudden isn't too bad.
'but it's a skoda' usually comes back.
At that point I usually leave the conversation as they'll never understand 😀
Rear passengers will be my 8 and 4yos on an infrequent basis. We have a family car, this is for me and the bike.
I did a pcp cost straight off the websites (so no dealer negotiation yet) and the 3yo 3 series 320d SE was £500 a month more than a brand new Octavia VRS diesel on pcp on a 48 month contract.
£500 a month more
Is that a typo, £500 a month over 48 months, so £24k more over 48 months. Shurley shum mishtake?
Nah he did mean C£900 a month 😆
I think..
Not.
3 yr old 3 series costs £500 a month more over 48 months than a new Octavia Vrs ???
Sorry - £500 a year!
^^ I guess the issue is that on a 3 yr old BMW, by the time the 48 month PCP is done, there is chuff all residual in it as a 7 yr old car, so monthly payments go up to cover. I think PCP only really works in favour for new or nearly new cars.
What spec is your current 1 series (msport isn't it)
As mentioned earlier the non sports seats are bobbins for comfort. Had a 3 series ED model for a while. Nice car generally but couldn't get on with the seats. Side support wasn't deep and wide apart, so had a tendancy to slide around a bit. The sports seats with the pneumatic bolsters are great.
Kryton57 - MemberCar needs to be <5yo due to work rules. And if I came home with another Alfa I'll be getting a divorce!
Why? There is only one reason you had to get rid of that! 😉
It's a second car then, or could be a first car. That means you could buy an electric as one of the cars. It's unlikely you'll both be doing more than 300km on the same day (500km with a lunchtime charge). Try one before you dismiss the idea.
The other car - which will be replaced next year - is hybrid and already chosen by Mrs Kryton. There will be a full electric version at buying time to consider also.
Ian C - i may have one eye on buying it at the end of the pcp so low residual is ok. Porlus - one of the upgrades on this one is sport seats. Other cars are available though, even options on an auto 1 series.
Why don't you buy new then on a PCP and then get a loan at the end of the PCP term to buy the car outright if you are keeping the car.
At least you will know the complete history of the car.
That is what I am doing with my Octavia.
Porlus - one of the upgrades on this one is sport seats. Other cars are available though, even options on an auto 1 series
Nice one.
Have you looked at the 320d ED Sport model. Comes really well specced as standard. Leather if my memory serves me right. Lower suspension than the SE model too.
Kryton57 - MemberSorry - £500 a year!
So, £40 less a month for a new car as opposed to a 3 year old car. What are the warranty considerations like for both options? Presumably both cars start with a 3yr manufacturer warranty? So, what do you get with the BMW in terms of warranty, over the Skoda?
I think my money would be going on the Skoda; BMW's are fine cars, but I've never been that enamoured with them when I've driven them or been a passenger, compared to other options.
Why don't you buy new then on a PCP and then get a loan at the end of the PCP term to buy the car outright if you are keeping the car.
The size of the loan on a 3yo car will be bigger than that of a 7yo car.
Stumpy01 - all fair points and in my argument to Mr BMW. If he won't make it more attractive than Simpsons Skoda then its a no deal
The size of the loan on a 3yo car will be bigger than that of a 7yo car.
Not really.
My final figure is £9.2k.
Whichever car you choose, I'd always prefer to lease in your scenario.
Why pay an annual APR rate on a car you are going to hand back? At least with leasing you aren't paying an interest rate back to a finance company.
Leasing is a stressful experience when you've got 8 and 4 year olds rubbing jam into the seats, IME anyway.
Sorry Renton:
New Beemer = £36k
2nd Hand Beemer - £16k
In respect of the monthly payments being roughly the same - circa £14k over 4 years - how are you assuming the final/balloon payment for both will be the same?
wilsonthecat - Member
Whichever car you choose, I'd always prefer to lease in your scenario.Why pay an annual APR rate on a car you are going to hand back? At least with leasing you aren't paying an interest rate back to a finance company.
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prawny - Member
Leasing is a stressful experience when you've got 8 and 4 year olds rubbing jam into the seats, IME anyway.
...and bikes in/out... All of which are considerations I need to make 😀
You have some control over putting your bike in, kids are like dogs, only harder to control 8)
That 320d sounds perfect, I want it 😆 just make sure you really screw them on the trade in, my kids wanted to go home when we bought ours and the sales guys thought we were playing hardball when I went to leave so he gave us another £1500 px!
Edited to make some sense.
just make sure you really screw them on the trade in, my kids wanted to go home when we bought ours and the sales guys thought we were playing hardball when I went to leave so he gave us another £1500 px!
Except you only think you're screwing them. Any car sales person will expect the customer to walk away, they keep something in reserve for that. If they're not making money out of you then they won't do business with you.
If they're not making money out of you then they won't do business with you.
... is what I'd do. I work in Sales 😀
Sorry yeah, should have said squeeze, not screw. I know they're getting a good deal out of it too, but not as good as they tried to get away with.
I had one of these in mind as I was typing
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Sorry Renton:New Beemer = £36k
2nd Hand Beemer - £16k
In respect of the monthly payments being roughly the same - circa £14k over 4 years - how are you assuming the final/balloon payment for both will be the same?
Doh I wasn't really making sense to myself either !!
So your 3 year old beemer is going to cost £16k. paying it over 4 years. That will be a 7 year old car at the end of it and things start going wrong etc leading to big bills.
Octavia costs £28 new, I managed to get a 0% pcp deal and put 5 k down. at the end of the term (3 years) my lump sum is £9.2k and the car is only 3 years old.
It makes more sense to me to buy a new car if you are planning on keeping, you will know the complete history of it and how its been looked after etc.
Fair enough the BMW could be one owner but do you really know how that owner has treated the car over the time they have had it?
That will be a 7 year old car at the end of it and things start going wrong etc leading to big bills.
On a 7 year old car?
Octavia costs £28 new, I managed to get a 0% pcp deal and put 5 k down. at the end of the term (3 years) my lump sum is £9.2k and the car is only 3 years old.
You didn't pay £28k for a vrs surely?
But your calcs are pretty much the same as what I've just done. New ford focus estate 1.5 182ps titanium x £18,400, £5k down 0% and £7.8k left to pay at the end. I looked at the vrs and I can see the appeal but it's not really me.
You didn't pay £28k for a vrs surely?
Hell no !!! I paid £22.5k
Ah that's about right depending on spec obvs
The current Focus's boot isn't as epic as the mk1 but it's still way better than an octavia estate's, if you want it as a bike hauler.
Really? My Octavia hatch is cavernous and swallows bikes easily. Certainly better than my mates ST Estate used to. I was choosing between an STD and a vRS two years ago and the vRS won. The ST was just a bit chavvy for me plus I didn't like the infotainment system. The VAG one is just so easy to use. The vRS is pretty dull but it's easy to live with and will be a tough act to replace in two years. Three bikes as three people is easy, dump runs are easy, holidays are easy loading up kids crap etc.
Personally I'd avoid an SE BMW because the seats are awful, I love the M Sport seats and find them really comfortable. I think the handling is pretty meh compared to the M sport version especially on the newer F series cars.
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