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For orthodox Marxists, socialism is the lower stage of communism based on the principle of "from each according to his ability, to each according to his work" while upper stage communism is based on the principle of "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need".
And btw ...........
though I'm sure you'd prefer to gloss over that aspect of things wouldnt you?
I don't gloss over anything. I've already expressed my feelings for Stalin before. As I have indeed for Pol Pot.
I never did quite agreed with Margaret Thatcher that Pol Pot was a great guy.
But hey, I'm not going to let you play about the historic time-scale just to satisfy your usual diversionary tactics, ie. "let's keep changing the subject to suit me".
Quote from Wiki.
I've never heard that version before, and in fact it sounds made up, had Mark written it, it would have been "labour". Wikifiddling ?
Hadn't realised until tonight but I agree with Winston Churchill. I am totally sick of major government intervention in everything I do.
a socialist policy is abhorrent to the British ideas of freedom. Socialism is inseparably interwoven with totalitarianism and the object worship of the state. It will prescribe for every one where they are to work, what they are to work at, where they may go and what they may say. Socialism is an attack on the right to breathe freely. No socialist system can be established without a political police. They would have to fall back on some form of Gestapo, no doubt very humanely directed in the first instance.
Donothing, what does it explain?
Labrat!"let's keep changing the subject to suit..."
I saw this girl today, she must have been at least 12...so I asked her what she thought of libertarian socialism.
<Yawn>
You are a boring ****
Donothing, what does it explain?
You are quite obviously too stupid to understand.
Didn't Churchill also say "if you still believe in the sixth form ideal of socialism once you've actually lived life a little..you're as thick as sh1t" ... or words to that effect ! ! 😆
see last post
see last post
which one son?
Pleasure to oblige Ernie 🙂
Heres a nice thought for you:
[i] a socialist policy is abhorrent to the British ideas of freedom. Socialism is inseparably interwoven with totalitarianism and the object worship of the state.[/i]
Point me towards a Socialist government that has achieved libertarianism (Libertarian socialism?) and I'll gladly disappear back into my box...
my last one laddie
my last one laddie
backhander's penultimate post,
<Yawn>
You are a boring ****
Proved to be false by the fact he is now courting me, craving my attention.
a socialist policy is abhorrent to the British ideas of freedom.
Is that the freedom to be selfish and materialistic?
is that the freedom to be selfish and materialistic?
Yes.
Is that the freedom to be selfish and materialistic?
If that is a freedom that you want to subcribe to, then yes!
I see you had quite a sale going a few weeks ago!
mavisto - Member
[b]Hadn't realised until tonigh[/b]t but I agree with Winston Churchill. I am totally sick of major government intervention in everything I do.
And pray tell, what type of govt has been interfering in your private business? Do you consider nulabour "socialist"?
Mavisto:
"[i]Hadn't realised until tonight but I agree with Winston Churchill. I am totally sick of major government intervention in everything I do.[/i]"
Quite right too.
Bloody government, provided me with education that my parents couldn't have afforded, kept my wife & kids alive through the health service, builds the roads I use, organised the utilities until they were privatised, pays for the police and army etc.
Just get rid of it, that's what I say.
If that is a freedom that you want to subcribe to, then yes!I see you had quite a sale going a few weeks ago!
I dunno it just seems that mostly when people talk about wanting freedom from government intervention they mean freedom to be a selfish ****. ie freedom from speed cameras stopping them driving like a ****, or freedom from paying a bit of tax to pay for vital services.
mavisto - MemberI am totally sick of major government intervention in everything I do.
I have confess mavisto, that I am also intrigued in which way there has been 'major government intervention in everything you do'.
Do you own a bank ?
And why are you 'totally sick' of it ?
[i]organised the utilities until they were privatised[/i]
Hmm, who built the Utilities infrastructure? Socialist government or Capitalist entrepreneurs?
Or the Railways?
Ernie, maybe Mevisto agreed with another parent to share child care, and had OFSTED threatening to prosecute him?
I'd like the freedom to smoke fags in pubs with real men. Until that time arises, I'll reside abroad where I can draw pictures of my crotch in peace and use the Satchi Gallery to provide me with earnings above what I think is reasonable to pay taxes on.
And pray tell, what type of govt has been interfering in your private business? Do you consider nulabour "socialist"?
I didn't say interfering, I said intervening. For example, Taxing alcohol heavily to stop binge drinking. This has the effect of punishing the many for the actions of the few. It also means that the nice country pubs have to close because ordinary people that enjoy a quiet pint can't afford to drink in them.
Also, speed cameras. Attempt at mass control rather than actually catching the dangerous drivers.
I aslo think the compulsory wearing of seatbelts is an infringement of human rights. I should have the choice of going through the windscreen if I want to.
Oh and Nulabour are Thatcherite
I didn't say interfering, I said intervening.
And you avoided answering my simple question. But that's because you don't wish to admit that the evil capitalistical Tories are the source of most of your woe.
Edit. But you can edit I see...still, how does/did Socialism infringe your rights?
I aslo thing the compulsory wearing of seatbelts is an infringement of human rights. I should have the choice of going through the windscreen if I want to.
Why are you blaming socialism for that ?
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It was introduced by Margaret Thatcher. She was in the same political party as your hero Winston Churchill.
I aslo thing the compulsory wearing of seatbelts is an infringement of human rights.
Quick someone call Amnesty! 🙄
I need change and I don't mean just a change from the previous bunch of loosers. PR, coalitions, hell, lets go back to a full blown monarchy. Anything had got to be better than this. If something doesn't change we are really going to be in trouble for generations to come.
I don't support the Tories or Labour or the Lib Dems. I don't support any of them because I think for myself and not on the basis of some old ideology that has no place in a 21 century world.
I think for myself and not on the basis of some old ideology that has no place in a 21 century world.
But you think, quote : "full blown monarchy", isn't some old ideology that has no place in a 21 century world ?
How strange 😯
BTW mavisto, do you think Diana should have worn her seatbelt ?
hell, lets go back to a full blown monarchy
I don't support any of them because I think for myself and not on the basis of [b]some old ideology that has no place in a 21 century world.[/b]
I wonder if I'm the first...
No. Ah well.
And to all of you dyed in the wool socialists. Here is a list of socialist countries.
[url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_countries ]Socialist CLICKY[/url]
Please emmigrate to one of them and see how you get on. I'll see you in a fortnight!!
BTW mavisto, do you think Diana should have worn her seatbelt ?
No,it should be her choice.
sorry, it was her choice.
Here is a list of socialist countries.Please emmigrate to one of them...
I'm off to Vancouver, in that Canada in a few months time. It has "Socialised healthcare". Bummer for me.
sorry, it was her choice.
Did you miss her ? .................... as someone who supports 'going back to a full blown monarchy' ?
BTW, you still haven't answered my question about wearing a seatbelt - why is it socialism ?
I'm off to Vancouver, in that Canada in a few months time. It has "Socialised healthcare". Bummer for me.
I'm so sorry for you. It's a Conservative government and the Liberals are in opposition.
Socialist != communism
Besides, why can't we stay here, not everyone in this country is a selfish bastard like you.
I'm so sorry for you. It's a Conservative government
But isn't free at the point of delivery healthcare inherently socialist (and therefore evil according to Americans)?
It's a Conservative government ......
Does that mean they have introduced compulsory seatbelt wearing in Canada ?
It was a Conservative government that introduced it into Britain. Did you know that ?
What do you think of that ?
BTW, you still haven't answered my question about wearing a seatbelt - why is it socialism ?
Ernie, my dissilusioned friend, I didn't say it had anything to do with socialism. I'm sick of intevening governments and that means ALL (DID YOU HEAR THAT, ALL ALL ALL ALL ALL ALL). I never said it was a socialist policy because I knew it was a tory one. I just disagree with it.
Your problem ernie is that because I don't belive in your glorious view of socialism, you immediately jump the INCORRECT conclusion that I'm a Tory. How many times do I have to tell you that I'm NOT.
Just to confuse you, I would have voted for poor John Smith if he had survived because he seemed to be a man you could trust.
I'm so sorry for you. It's a Conservative government and the Liberals are in opposition.
It sure beats a Conservative government and the Neo libs in opposition, as you being the true Libertarian type would agree!
Anyway, don't be sorry, "Socialised healthcare" is one of the reasons I considered Canada worthy.
I didn't say it had anything to do with socialism.
You little fibber you :
mavisto - MemberHadn't realised until tonight but I agree with Winston Churchill. I am totally sick of major government intervention in everything I do.
a socialist policy is abhorrent to the British ideas of freedom.
mavisto - MemberAnd pray tell, what type of govt has been interfering in your private business? Do you consider nulabour "socialist"?
I didn't say interfering, I said intervening. For example, Taxing alcohol heavily to stop binge drinking. This has the effect of punishing the many for the actions of the few. It also means that the nice country pubs have to close because ordinary people that enjoy a quiet pint can't afford to drink in them.
Also, speed cameras. Attempt at mass control rather than actually catching the dangerous drivers.
[u]I aslo think the compulsory wearing of seatbelts is an infringement of human rights. I should have the choice of going through the windscreen if I want to.[/u]
Dr Dolittle
I'd love to go to Canada myself. Always enjoyed visiting and felt that it's probably the only country I could settle in.