[Closed] Soccerball 2016/2017 - Jumpers For Goalposts Megathread.

Youse are trying to outlaw 50/50 tackles, nonsense. I'm well aware. There was no use of excessive force, he got the ball, very cleanly, miller went flying cause he was also committed and clipped the side of siminovic and went flying, could understand if he was kicked and went flying, but he wasn't, it was simple the consequence of 2 players committed to getting the ball..

fastforward to 59mins for another angle. contact is actually made by simunovics arse.

I'm unaware of any rule in fitba that stipulates excessive use of yer arse! 😆

It goes wrong, yes, it could be a red, but it didn't.

Think this is similar to the situation where people think it's illegal to tackle from behind, it's not, but it is if you do it wrong.

Youse are trying to outlaw 50/50 tackles, nonsense.

I'm not. I didn't write the laws and I'm not on the IB. I'm just telling you in black and white what they say.

The rest is opinion, but to me hitting someone's arse with your shoulder hard enough to flip them onto their head meets my definition of excessive force, and if I'd been reffing that game I'd have to seriously consider a red card and then [i]probably[/i] settle for a yellow on the basis there was no serious injury, it is a derby game and both players committed. And the assessor would probably mark me down for it.

Again, whether you hanker for the days of proper caser footballs and nail in studs played on ploughed fields or not, those days are gone. The Laws/IBD were written to 'encourage' players not to fly into tackles that endanger safety, and he had that option and didn't take it. And generally it's worked, with players given more time and protection to play the game rather than get rid of the ball before Wor Jackie or Mickey Droy cripples you.

Not saying it's right or not, but that's how it is.

Think this is similar to the situation where people think it's illegal to tackle from behind, it's not, but it is if you do it wrong.

Agree. The difficulty there, as explained to me by an ex-National list ref is that the back of players legs are a/ unprotected (no shinpads) and b/ vulnerable, particularly the achilles area. Hence almost any tackle making contact 'endangers' safety. So the only way really to be sure you don't endanger safety is to stay on your feet and try to toe poke it away.

Tony Adams would be sent off every week......

Would be interested to hear a few high level refs opinion on it, anyhow. I think in Europe you'd never get away it. In an old firm derby, a different thing. Tbh another ref would have stopped play atleast on another day.

Guess that the thing about the rules of the game, they are subject to a refs interpretation of events at a particular time in the context of a particular game. Refs do have some leeway.

Yes, and no. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. The Laws haven't changed actually that much in their basic nature - which is one of the great things about the game (contrast to rugby that revises frequently); however the Intl Board decisions on how to interpret are a relatively recent thing but were brought in to try to bring consistency to decision making, and they do change season to season.

Which is why when a ref makes a decision like that ^ in the heat of an old firm derby it's very understandable by fans and the old pros etc., who see it as sensible refereeing. But the same tackle in a boring mid table clash that hasn't even started to fizzle let along explode would be totally out of context and probably result in sanction, which would also be right (because if you let it go, then everyone's allowed a go at a tackle like that). And a player gets a three match ban, etc. But so-and-so got away with it yesterday everyone screams....

So on one hand you want referees to 'interpret' and on the other you want consistency which means 'no interpretation, just base it on facts'.... and then you get all the problems of whether they meant it or misjudged it with no malice or whatever. "I know the lad and he's not like that"

An alternative explanation for me is a player jumping for a header when then elbows his opponent in the head. The old pros in the studio on Saturday night say 'he only had eyes for the ball' or 'he didn't swing the arm' and so on. Simple solution is that if he didn't have his elbow up then he wouldn't run the risk of elbowing his opponent in the head and intent or malice or whatever doesn't become an issue. By having an elbow up he's endangering, ergo he gets sanctioned. Period. And to those who say you can't jump without an elbow, that's balls. Rugby players jump for high balls without leading with elbows. Goalkeepers have their arms above their heads, not elbows out. You can use arms to jump without elbows having to stick out like weapons, and if you continually get sanctioned for it then WHY NOT LEARN TO DO IT DIFFERENTLY!!

[would cost Binners a fortune in bet winnings though]

COYS 🙂

In both the case you cite the player is lifting the arms above the head. (Or at least away from their sides) Try jumping up awards without raising your arms at some point. It is actually bloody difficult to get any evelevation.

I didn't deny it. I said you don't have to stick your elbows out.

You can use arms to jump without elbows having to stick out like weapons,

OK, in this example they keep a knee up to protect which also wouldn't be legit in soccer but you don't have to keep it up.

Brilliant header, plenty of power, arms flapping by his sides.

As soon as you stick your elbows out at head height you risk elbowing your opponent which is therefore not paying due consideration to his safety.

Bloody hell! Potential goal of the season contender there from Can!

To be fair, it was a bit special.

So grinding out a 0-1 away win to a lower table side in a bit of form. Imagine if they could do that at Anfield. 😆

By having an elbow up he's endangering, ergo he gets sanctioned.

The rugby example is silly, and irrelevant to football, unless you're the keeper.

I was there... it was an epic night, was my lads first away game and the away fans are always massively louder than the home, this game didn't disappoint in this respect.
OK,. so it wasn't a great match.... but was a night i'll never forget 🙂

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cracking goal by Juve 🙂

Nice Weeksy and agreed on away fans / games, usually easier to get tickets too. Brighton next year 🙂

Funny/stupid as it sounds I think spurs would be better off drawing tonight. Chelsea have been sloppy and complacent when they think it's easy/done and dusted but ruthless when up against it.

Funny/stupid as it sounds I think spurs would be better off drawing tonight. Chelsea have been sloppy and complacent when they think it's easy/done and dusted but ruthless when up against it.

Indeed Klunk and they've cunningly gone 1-0 down to really improve their chances!

Perennial bottlers.

you'd think after last year, harry kane would learn to keep his mouth shut. 😕

Chelsea could be champions this time next week before the lily whites get to play again.

How delightfully spursy that was.

To be fair they've done well to make the title race even resemble a race for the past couple of weeks. It's been a procession since October.

Given the remaining fixtures, it's actually going to be quite an interesting run in.

Chelski are nailed on for the title, but after that....? We've got Arsenal then Spurs. Both of those are proper 6 pointers

To be fair they've done well to make the title race even resemble a race for the past couple of weeks. It's been a procession since October.

This. A lot of bitterness above, I wonder from which club's supporters.

Given the run-in it should never have been remotely close.

I was hoping they'd keep pressure on, it was getting squeaky bum time.

But in honesty, Chelsea have been head and shoulders above the rest

Last day of the Champs tomorrow too. I could imagine Brighton blowing it away at Villa and getting pipped by Newcastle. While in the play offs, Fulham are currently the form side to be avoided in the semis; so it's almost an advantage for the next three to lose and try not to come third!!

Its all a bit bonkers in the chamopionship! 😯

Never trust Villa on the last day, bloody useless that lot. Penalty and a sending off

Villa will take great pleasure in losing today. Hope they rot in the Championship for a few years.

hell 90th minute equaliser!!
Champions for the Toon unless they screw up the last couple of minutes

Villa hanging on.......

Steve Sidwell - will you be celebrating tonight?

Oh my Lord! I didn't see that coming!

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Hell of a last day there, don't think anyone would have put money on Villa having a spine.

Champion Toon army on the march again ... 😛

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Brilliant!

just watching monday night football - jeez there were some good goals this season.

Carroll, Emre Can, Mikytaryan / Giroud's scorpion kicks..... amazing

Big Sam just resigned from Palace!

must have had a stay up release clause

Seems he just wanted to retire and have more leisure time. I have to say I respect that.

Likes the sound of his own voice so will end up in punditry I expect. Reckon the fires gone out after ballsing up the England job.

he did not balls it up for football reasons and he has turned Palace around

Possibly a journeyman but effective at what he can do - keep a team in the league.

'Boro
Sunderland
Hull

i reckon i could have kept palace up

the most Jose win imaginable.... apart from the second goal

Agreed - asphyxiation! Ajax pretty naive, perhaps to be expected from such a young side.

Luckily I only watched the second half thus preventing me getting remotely interested in football again.

Just hearing Le Prof is staying for another two years!

Groan... 🙁

Well that's the content of 5 Live's 606 taken care of for the next two years then.

Whining Arsenal fans, and a despairing Ian Wright 😆