I thought she had the look of someone who's dog had plopped on the floor in her friend's house and was waiting for her friend to clean up her dog's mess
Unfortunately I think the only big difference the majority will see is that the new PM, whichever candidate it is will be dressed far more in keeping with the serious role it is than the last ( present ? ) joker
Regrettably I suspect the core polices won’t change ….
The debt payments are quietly becoming a material burden – Rishi knows this is unsustainable so he ****ed off (he didn’t give a shit about Boris)
Simply not true.
How do they become a burden? You are buying into the household myth again and again.
How does a currency issuer default?
You think after the war and all the 'debt' stopped the creation of the NHS?
Think back when has the *debt* (when not on gold standard or foreign debt) ever been an issue for the UK?
A third of the national debt is owned by the BoE. It's paying interest to istelf!
Did anyone hear Martin Lewis on Radio 4 this morning?
He was virtually pleading for someone in this absentee government to get a grip and do something about the upcoming enormous rises in energy costs.
He correctly pointed out that millions of households are suddenly going to find energy completely unaffordable and be unable to heat their homes through the winter, and the government is proposing doing absolutely nothing whatsoever about it. Head in the sand, as usual. Obsessed with the trivial and frivolous
Neither of the potential PMs has any realistic proposals. He dismissed Rishi's temporary VAT cut as irrelevant, and Truss has no proposals at all. He pointed out that by the time they're anointed in September it will be too late to do anything about it as the huge hit will land at exactly the same time
So it looks like business as usual and the continuation of Boris style government in its dealings with everything. Too little too late. Same as Covid... denial and the refusal to do anything or take it seriously until the moment when you could do something about it has long since passed.
Whichever of these idiots gets the poisoned chalice they are about to be launched into a huge crisis and is there a single person who thinks either of them is equipped to deal with it?
Whichever of these idiots gets the poisoned chalice they are about to be launched into a huge crisis and is there a single person who thinks either of them is equipped to deal with it?
The unions are gearing up for a general strike and there's a embryonic poll-tax-esque movement to refuse payment of energy bills ( https://dontpay.uk ). It's all heading in one direction, which is mass civil unrest. I'm sure 'Iron Liz' is drooling at the prospect, and wet blanket Starmer will be standing on the sidelines telling everyone to calm down.
How do they become a burden? You are buying into the household myth again and again.
Except the interest payments are a budgetary 'line', consequently it means less to spend and/or debt just increases - eventually someone, somewhere decides that Sterling has a 'problem'.
Except the interest payments are a budgetary ‘line’, consequently it means less to spend and/or debt just increases – eventually someone, somewhere decides that Sterling has a ‘problem’.
Debt is just bond issuance to match government spending. Bonds are purchased by the private sector with money issued previously by the government.
A currency issuing government can't ever have less to spend. That's a political line not an accountancy one
Please explain 450billion covid support? No taxes were raised and the BoE purchased the 'debt.' They tried really hard to make it look like they borrowed the money - and then just simply purchased the debt(bonds) with new money creation.
Someone somewhere won't decide that. It's a floating currency.
Other news: USA technically in a recession after 2QTRS of negative growth.
Quotes from a Guardian article from some woman in Roundhay. The logic is astounding!
“I’ve been reading [Truss’s] comments in the local media about pupils being let down and people thought she was being very unfair. It’s not true that it’s a deprived area,” she said.
“She got a good enough education at Roundhay to go to Oxford. I don’t agree with her comments at all.”
As a lifelong Tory voter, Lusardi has been following the contest very closely and still backs Truss. “I find Liz Truss more believable. I’m not biased towards women but I think women are more honest,” she said.
As there is no forum wide ban on everyone I take it no-one was listening to Mosley #1 vs Mosley #2 on LBC an hour ago (8pm)?, the candidates were bad enough but the folk in the audience and the questions they asked!!!!!, nothing I can really say that wouldn't get me a ban except for nuke the ****ing lot of them from orbit, then rake over their ashes and nuke them again just to make sure.
The article on Newsnight earlier was worrying. What planet are the Tory faithful on? One bloke was saying he'd prefer Boris was still in charge. WTAF
Who cares it won't make any difference.
We only get to listen to a one-sided agenda. The arguments of millionaires, tax dodgers, exploitative employers who want plentiful cheap, preferably slave labour. Turncoats who want people below them to lord it over and landlords who feed off a desperate workforce and benefit from systemic scarcity. So much diversionary bullshit, obfuscation, bad faith actors backed by toady useful idiots and stitch-ups.
Good old Britain same as it ever was.
Why the **** are we being force fed this shit on mainstream TV though?
Boris is some kind of "behavioural benchmark" to a lot of Tory voters, as long as they are not quite as devious, dishonest, racist, money grabbing, unfaithful, drunken as him they are functioning as acceptable members of society (in their eyes)
Why the **** are we being force fed this shit on mainstream TV though?
That’s the real farce/tragedy how the media is controlled and focussed on delivering the message to the 0.2% who are more important than you.
Truely fiddling while Rome burns moment.
(Brought to you by the party that did actually manage to stop freedom of movement.)
I must say I was slightly alarmed when listening to Stephanie Kelton on MMT.
It's a lovely description/theory - but it is far too internally focussed and far too dependent on the size and clout of the country to be something that should make us all feel warm inside.
Here is this very plausible, very together and (no doubt) very clever individual, talking about the internal impacts of doing X, Y and Z. But when it comes to cost-push inflation caused by an external shock like oil prices (see Russia-Ukraine & Putin) she suggests that the government has to do "something else" to combat this. Well, thanks for that.
The only consideration I have seen of other countries and economies in all this MMT is the notion that borrowing from other countries increases political dependence on them - NOT when a country that holds large amounts of a finite and vital resource decides to use that to threaten/punish others who oppose it politically.
MMT should just be used as education for all people so they are not misled by the political parties about basic of the economy, deficit vs debt and so on.
It is more about how it works rather than having solutions for every scenario
It is more about how it works rather than having solutions for every scenario
MMT is at first descriptive but then you have the prescriptive tools to make decisions.
But your first point is massive.
But when it comes to cost-push inflation caused by an external shock like oil prices (see Russia-Ukraine & Putin) she suggests that the government has to do “something else” to combat this. Well, thanks for that.
Economics is a huge area.
If you listen to Kelton she specifically says that things like just in time supply chains etc are the problem which should have been rectified before we got to this point.
just in time supply chains etc are the problem which should have been rectified before we got to this point.
Good luck with that. Privatise a company, prioritise profit, and inevitably you end up with these kind of operations. There was zero incentive for the companies to do anything different.
that is because just in time supply chains are great and work really efficiently - until they don't work for some reason!
"Why the * are we being force fed this shit on mainstream TV though?"
A reasonable thought, though I'd like to see wall to wall coverage of the next 7 hustings. The more we are shown of this pointless charade the more it illustrates to the broader population how undemocratic our democracy is.
For balance, mainstream media can show us more of Mick Lynch and Eddie Dempsey. The RMT is a model of representative democracy when put up against the is s show.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/29/rishi-sunak-liz-truss-culture-war-woke-nonsense
Rishi going for the statue topplers (have any been toppled recently? and I thought they'd bought a special law in to deal with this sort of thing?)
Anyone else find it a bit rich (no pun intended) that someone whose family went to East Africa to be the administrators of apartheid should come out defending statues and memorial plaques dedicated to the architects of slavery and apartheid?
They'll be talking about the death penalty by the next hustings.
They’ll be talking about the death penalty by the next hustings.
I'm amazed its not come up already as they attempt to out-stupid each other. I've said it many times that I fully expect whichever of those imbeciles gets in (its going to be her, isn't it?) to offer a referendum on the death penalty, at the very least, as part of their manifesto at the next election.
To which the Brexity half-wits of this country would vote overwhelmingly for its re-introduction
Bring back the workhouse! That’s got to be a sure-fire winner for the vote, can’t believe Liz hasn’t been photographed laying the foundation stone on the first one yet.
Forty new workhouses!
With a nuclear reactor in each one?
truss can't lose this even if she tried to.
sunak has been comprehensively
out-manoeuvred; only questions are will he withdraw to avoid total humiliation and when will he resign as MP. He has no future in politics.
truss can spew out ever more ridiculous undeliverable promises or just stick to repeating the bollocks which has been so appealing to tory members, rothermere and murdoch.
Vomit inducing.
truss can’t lose this even if she tried to.
I have a questionable record in making predictions but I'm still quite surprised at myself on this one. I still can't quite get my head around the preposterous concept of her being PM. And to think we laughed at the US over Trump.
https://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/liz-truss/
I also have a questionable record on betting but called this one last September. Looking at my present cash out, the bookies think its a done deal
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Actually... I think I'll cash out as I still wouldn't put it past her to do something monumentally stupid to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory
binners - let it run; even if she died the members would vote for her over sunak.
All I'm waiting for now is the headline 'boris shagged truss' as that would guarantee her 100% of the vote.
I still can’t quite get my head around the preposterous concept of her being PM.
I suspect that your head might end up in turmoil as you very likely see Starmer struggling more dealing with Truss than he did with Johnson.
Starmer's line of attack on Johnson pretty much entirely focused on integrity, and his claim that he had more than Johnson. It is highly unlikely that Truss will give Starmer as much ammunition.
will Sunak chuck it in to shaft Johnson a bit more ?
Truss as PM is a scary thought.
Banning strikes.
The AG banning government lawyers from speaking out about illegal policy.
We are going further right everyday.
Liz's lust for power makes Boris look shy and self-effacing
She knows where the power lies in the present Tory party and thats with the headbangers of the ERG. She's as thick as a boxing day turd and has never had an original thought in her life. She's a blank sheet of paper (literally) on which the ERG will write their demands
When she assumes the mantle, I think we can take it as read that the first thing she'll do is tear up the withdrawal agreement and with it the Good Friday Agreement to spark a full on trade war with the EU and cause chaos in Ireland. Just what we need right now as the cost of living crisis really hits. The rabid anti-EU nutters on her backbenches will be beside themselves with glee though and thats all that matters to Liz.
After that... god only knows. It's open season. All manner of populist nonsense to keep the right wing loons happy. Death penalty? Outlawing all strikes and protests? Banning unions? Martial Law? Troops on the streets of Belfast again?
All stuff that would have no doubt horrified the young Lib Dem Liz Truss and maybe even the remain-campaigning Liz Truss
Nothing like a woman of principle, eh?
Pity labour governments and councils aren't so rotten and corrupt as well.
Our entire political system, now 'free' from the EU, is a total basket case
And with Johnsons final planned act of stuffing the house of lords full of right wing Brexit nutjobs, to help facilitate whatever unhinged lunacy Truss and the ERG have lined up, it's only going to get worse
Beam me up!
Last labour gov ended in 2010 so don't get what point you're trying to make.
As for councils they come in all political flavours with varying degrees of honesty, integrity, transparency, corruption across all of them.
Again, don't understand the point you're trying to make.
I suspect that your head might end up in turmoil as you very likely see Starmer struggling more dealing with Truss than he did with Johnson.
Starmer's problem is going to be that up against a charisma free idiot like Truss he'll be exposed as the same. Ironically his shortcomings were overshadowed by the Johnson circus but now he'll have nowhere to go. No policies, no personality, no ideas. Hopefully when his MPs realise he can't even outwit or outshine Truss some serious questions will start to be asked.
Our entire political system, now ‘free’ from the EU, is a total basket case
Yes of course, ultra right-wing racists "nutjob"" politicians have no possibility of a free rein in the EU. Blame brexit.
And yet Hungary is still in the EU
How can that be?
I expect that the Hungarian model is one Liz and the ERG will be looking to for inspiration
Our entire democracy has been well and truly ****ed by Brexit whichever way it's unhinged cheerleaders try to cut it
And we're now in a death spiral as everything unravels. Brexit is now being talibanised, where it becomes progressively more and more extreme and all dissent is silenced as scapegoats are sought out amongst the none-believers, to blame for all its many, many failures and the none-emergence of the promised sunny uplands.
I expect that the Hungarian model is one Liz and the ERG will be looking to for inspiration
Why? The Hungarian model involves staying in the EU.
And the Hungarian Prime Minister's racist comments, of which he very famous for, are far far worse than any comment made by any senior Tory politician since Enoch Powell.
Whats your point caller?
That we don't have a monopoly on mad, far right nutjobs?
I'm sure that'll be a heart-warming consolation to all of us as Liz and the ERG unleash whatever lunacy they've planned next.
Good old Brexit eh?
Still a big fan I see, comrade? Hows Lexit working out for you?
Is it possible when the incompetent idiot gets the job, the resulting madness will cause an early election?
What would it take?
What indeed. This brave new post-Brexit world is going great, isn't it?
Expect lots more of this kind of thing...
https://twitter.com/MarinaPurkiss/status/1553313278406938625?s=20&t=yLzFL69kLo28ZOFP1Z3lKQ
Braverman is a big Truss cheerleader, remember
Not at all resembling a fascist dictatorship, eh?
Whats your point caller?
That we don’t have a monopoly on mad, far right nutjobs?
You seem to have hit the nail on the head.
Being in the EU makes no difference to the popularity of far-right nutjobs. Who in most EU countries are generally far worse than in the UK.
But apart from that everything is the fault of brexit.
