Anyone else in the BBC North area really pissed off by the way they talk about Sunak as though he was a local lad
Surely Truss is worse? Talks about her upbringing in Yaaaarkshire as if she was raised by wolves on a sink estate, instead of the nice leafy, middle class suburb she actually grew up in, then I doubt she ever returned north once she headed to Westminster via Oxford, apart from the odd opportunistic photoshoot
Liz Truss is going to be our next Prime Minister.
Let's all just reflect on that for a moment.
Well done to the 52%.
It's a necessary evil, I think. People need to see what passes for leadership in the modern Tory party. Johnson papered over the cracks for many with his superficial bonhomie and bluster, so much so that he still has plenty of support.
This new creature has none of those 'qualities', can hardly string a sentence together. Lavrov might be pure evil, but he has been around the block with world leaders a few times and had her number pretty quickly.
Meanwhile the entire civil service is being left to its own devices (probably better off TBH) whilst ministers go off to lend their hands to their mates' election campaigns, then go off on recess.
Or the way he says Tee-side ?
It is more revealing if he can pronounce Newcastle correctly....
Newcarsal... obvs
Or if your me... Nucasal
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Meanwhile the entire civil service is being left to its own devices (probably better off TBH) whilst ministers go off to lend their hands to their mates’ election campaigns, then go off on recess.
it does seem insane, fuel bills set to rise by >£2k a year per family come the autumn and government is consumed by Tory party leadership circle-jerk
It is absurdist light relief if you don’t have to live under it – they don’t, so they can just point and laugh and give thanks that they haven’t been stupid enough to end up in the same situation themselves.
I used to enjoy watching the running commentary on the BBC regarding Berlusconi's bunga bunga parties and other shenanigans - whilst thinking i'm glad it wasn't our taxes paying for this..
The rest of Europe are now doing the same.
Liz Truss is going to be our next Prime Minister.
Let’s all just reflect on that for a moment.
Well done to the 52%.
Indeed, we got an incompetent lying sociopath and now we have a nincompoop. No wonder there's no leadership in this country.
The members favour Truss by a fair margin
Its more or less neck & neck with the wider voters
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1551886447724138499
I still cant quite believe they will put Truss in, surely they appreciate that the liklihood of Truss ballsing up is far higher than Sunak?
It would be great news for Labour, but I still cant quite believe it
I haven’t got the energy or inclination to try to explain the stupidity of the UK electorate or get angry – a sheepish shrug and an apology (don’t know why I’m apologising, I didn’t vote for this nonsense) is all I can manage.
We do quite a bit of work with an Engineering lab based in Delft University - I travelled there just before lock-down whilst the 'deal' negotiations were going on. We got talking about it all over lunch and all the Dutch guys were just bewildered by the whole thing.
There bewilderment was well placed though, as now if we want to send anything to them for testing (temporary export) they have to get someone from the Delft chamber of commerce to sign the paperwork to confirm its a temporary import.
Goods are often stuck in Rotterdam docks for a week or more whilst the paperwork fiasco is resolved.
Pre-Brexit we'd stick it on a lorry at lunchtime in Essex, and they'd be unloading in Delft mid-morning the following day.
I still cant quite believe they will put Truss in, surely they appreciate that the liklihood of Truss ballsing up is far higher than Sunak?
It's almost if there is some underlying reason why a chunk of the membership is so unwilling to vote for him that they would rather elect a complete moron.
Not really, the other parties always give their appointed leader a full term
I am not sure how you can make that call for the libdems and Blair, of course, went before he was pushed (plus also to dodge the mess he had caused and retire undefeated so to speak).
As an attack line it isnt an overly great one.
it does seem insane, fuel bills set to rise by >£2k a year per family come the autumn and government is consumed by Tory party leadership circle-jerk
It matters. How else could Truss ever access the world of £800 per roll wallpaper or £150k treehouses?
I used to enjoy watching the running commentary on the BBC regarding Berlusconi’s bunga bunga parties and other shenanigans – whilst thinking i’m glad it wasn’t our taxes paying for this..
The rest of Europe are now doing the same.
Yep - they're just filing us under 'pending' until we get some grownups in charge. We may be in that folder for some time.
that they would rather elect a complete moron.
The tory voters have adored her for several years now. Regularly came out top in the conservative home surveys for all tory ministers.
So I dont think it does need some "underlying reason" why he is coming second.
I can only assume that they see her thatcher tribute band either as convincing or just like dreaming of the real thing so much they are willing to put up with a dodgy covers attempt
On an amusing note - out of 215 tracks, my playlist just pulled out Duelling Banjos.
That's us - an insular little backwater - or bayou to give it its proper term.
surely they appreciate that the liklihood of Truss ballsing up is far higher than Sunak?
As I said this morning, straight from the horse's mouth of some conservative party members who are fully aware that she'll balls everything up in the longer term, but they don't care - it's all about the next general election and who's most likely to win it. They see that she's pitching for providing some short term economic boosts that might, just might, be enough to regain some public trust before the next election. Sod the longer term, sod the future economic and social impacts, it's all about retaining power.
Its absurd that she's using the highest taxes for 70 years gambit, when they both voted in favour of all tax rises.
The tory voters have adored her for several years now. Regularly came out top in the conservative home surveys for all tory ministers.
So I dont think it does need some “underlying reason” why he is coming second.
I can only assume that they see her thatcher tribute band either as convincing or just like dreaming of the real thing so much they are willing to put up with a dodgy covers attempt
Her popularity des seem inexplicable, but the membership cant be completely stupid, they must be aware of how she is perceicved outside the party & the clock is ticking on the next GE
On the plus side, the more it looks like Sunak is going to lose, the more likely it is that either His team or one of teh MPs that supports him & sees how looney Truss is will start leaking the scandals to the press.
Im sure Cummings is poised too
So hopefully Sunak does even worse in tonighst debate
Its absurd [s]that she’s using the highest taxes for 70 years gambit, when they both voted in favour of all tax rises.[/s]
Yes. Yes our government is absurd.
absurd
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adjective
wildly unreasonable, illogical, or inappropriate.
Dirty Digger on the Phone to producers "get this car crash off my channel"
Been called off 😀 the relief in the tory party is palpable!
On the plus side, the more it looks like Sunak is going to lose, the more likely it is that either His team or one of teh MPs that supports him & sees how looney Truss is will start leaking the scandals to the press.Im sure Cummings is poised too
So hopefully Sunak does even worse in tonighst debate
What scandals? AFAIK Liz Truss is dumb as a box of hair, but fairly boring too.
Wasn't Truss on the naughty list that's often circulated as yet another senior female Tory who fell for Kwasi Kwarteng's charm?
😀 Funny if true
finbar - check out the turnip taliban.
https://twitter.com/RichardJMurphy/status/1551664688840179716?t=KUBBIUbLqsSXFC8Gbh_w6g&s=19
Old information relevant today.
The National debt doesn't really ever get paid back.
Sunak now promising to cut VAT on fuel bills. super U-turn.
What did I tell you - they will do what is necessary at the last minute.
There are no such things as unfunded tax cuts just political choices.
Well after last night's debate, the cameras picking up Truss's reaction and this morning's papers - she must be even more of a shoe in.
Showing a flicker of concern for someone falling ill is now the gold standard for our elected officials.
Might be a disqualifying trait for some Conservative Party members, though. I mean, looking after people is socialism, isn't it?
It is certainly on the slippery slope towards socialism.
Although apparently Sunak is already a socialist according to some 'ask this **** on the street what they think' interviews I saw yesterday.
They may want to read what he has written about over the years to see that is far from the truth but guess they won't be doing that.
‘ask this **** on the street what they think’
They never tell you the sample size of the interviews. Only try and “balance” the comments. If you were to balance them by the number of responses of each side, everyone would agree and few would be extreme. This not meet the producer’s pre-existing bias.
I used to enjoy watching the running commentary on the BBC regarding Berlusconi’s bunga bunga parties and other shenanigans – whilst thinking i’m glad it wasn’t our taxes paying for this..
The rest of Europe are now doing the same.
I worked a lot on Italy during this period, the Italians I worked with were intensely embarrassed by him - a bit like how I would've been for the last 2-3 years if I still did that job...
Wasn’t Truss on the naughty list that’s often circulated as yet another senior female Tory who fell for Kwasi Kwarteng’s charm?
She did have an affair with an MP, before she became one - so wouldn't be a surprise if she'd had more, based on folk I know who've had them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liz_Truss
Under David Cameron as Conservative leader, Truss was added to the party's 'A List'.[33] In October 2009, she was selected for the South West Norfolk seat by members of the constituency Conservative Association. She won over 50% of the vote in the first round of the final against five other candidates.[35][36] Shortly after her selection, some members of the constituency association objected to Truss's selection, due to her failing to declare a prior affair with married Conservative MP Mark Field.[37] A motion was proposed to terminate Truss's candidature, but this was defeated by 132 votes to 37 at a general meeting of the association's members three weeks later.
I don't think there could be a starker example of how detached the Tory party is from the real world than this pair of clowns fiddling while Rome burns. The self-indulgence of these 'born to rule' ****s is utterly obscene.
They've barely mentioned the cost of living and have pretty much zero proposals of how to deal with it. And why should they? Its not like they or their rich friends will be impacted, is it?
But on the day Truss is anointed in September the price cap hits again. Peoples heating bills are going to go through the roof yet again.
There was someone on Radio 4 the other morning telling the stark truth about how this will play ou in reality...
As well as food banks, voluntary organisations and local councils are now looking at providing 'warm spaces'. Somewhere heated for the (probably working) poor to go to keep warm this winter because they will no longer be able to afford any heating in their homes
Against that looming backdrop, and the reality of people freezing to death, this pair of morons spending the entire summer bickering about tax cuts isn't going to play out well
They’ve barely mentioned the cost of living and have pretty much zero proposals of how to deal with it.
In theory they were supposed to be talking more about it last night and some of those tax breaks being talked about are on energy bills.
Although even then you can see a switch in audience from Sunaks previous position of targeted money (however dubiously setup)for the poor to a general vat cut on energy which would be more likely to benefit tory members.
They may have been meant to talk about it last night, but they'd prioritised telling everyone how they were going to ship refugees to Rwanda instead
Thats the priority for them
Says it all
local councils are now looking at providing ‘warm spaces’. Somewhere heated for the (probably working) poor to go to keep warm this winter
Bring back the workhouse! That's got to be a sure-fire winner for the vote, can't believe Liz hasn't been photographed laying the foundation stone on the first one yet.
Says it all
Do you think they chose the question order?
Whilst there is plenty to attack them on might as well stick to that without inventing new stuff.
Bring back the workhouse!
LOL, if they do they'll be gone faster than you can say "class envy". the daily fail headline of "undeserving poor get warm for free, while the hard working middle class freeze!" will see to that (one of the reasons workhouses were closed is the victorian and edwardian middle classes begrudged the free health care and education the residents received, not because of how dreadful they were).
Do you think they chose the question order?
Whilst there is plenty to attack them on might as well stick to that without inventing new stuff.
This goes beyond these farcical TV 'debates'
They set their own priorities
Clearly sending refugees to Rwanda is a more pressing issue than poor people freezing to death this winter.
Maybe that's just reflecting the views and priorities of the average Tory member? They clearly think so
Maybe that’s just reflecting the views and priorities of the average Tory member? They clearly think so
This.
They're not campaigning to the electorate at large (although, lord knows the electorate at large has taken a nasty turn over the last few years), they are campaigning to a self-selecting bunch.
I don't think it is a stretch to suggest that this self-selecting bunch's views on refugees and/or poorer people are somewhat unsympathetic.
They are playing to the audience they need to play to right now - that is all. It is up to the electorate at large to punish the extreme stuff they come out with now. Unfortunately a particular event back in 2016 showed them that the electorate at large also held some views that had been largely kept in check up until then - politicians are now a lot less reticent about saying things that (rightly) would have been called a disgrace 15-20 years ago.
<Shrugs>
Well after last night’s debate, the cameras picking up Truss’s reaction and this morning’s papers – she must be even more of a shoe in.
You think that was the response of someone with compassion or leadership in a crisis? That was the look of "OMG what am I *supposed* to do now". She looks to the side either hoping someone else is going to leap to McCann's aid or is going to tell her what to do. We didn't see what Sunak did - I expect it was similar. The only saving grace is that 90% of the public would do exactly the same - but I think we aren't looking for a PM to like one of us, we want a PM who has instinct, takes control, and is calm in a crisis. Unexpected and quite alarming things will happen to them throughout their tenure as PM. Some of those will be in front of the cameras.
