[Closed] So my bro got caught speeding

No tp that's exactly the point I am trying to make. In my view I don't think it's right for it to be up to the individual to decide when it is safe and when it is dangerous to break the law. You might think it's safe to drive at 120 down a deserted motorway but you can't possibly know for sure whether a deer will run across the road or there's debris in your lane or any other number of unforeseen events that might materialise. And that's why there's a speed limit. It's the normalisation of the attitude that it's ok to break the speed limit, that's it socially acceptable to do that, that's the problem

How does one steal someone else's wifi?

Asking for research purposes of course.

32. Taken a child out of school for a holiday - without the head teacher’s permission

Not done that one. Sounds serious that, kidnapping no?

Me driving at 29 in a 30 at 4pm outside a school

In my view I don't think it's right for it to be up to the individual to decide when it is safe

I think I'm better judged to decide whether it's safe than some bloke in the 60s who based his figure on cars with drum brakes and no idea of the road conditions I'm experiencing at that time..

Again.. I have to reiterate that I've never had a crash and have had no points in 25 years.. So I imagine I'm a pretty good judge of when my driving is safe.

You drive too fast past schools tpbiker, 29mph is too fast::

20 mph speed limits and zones

The Department for Transport encourages the use of either '20 mph speed limits' or '20 mph speed limit zones' in urban situations where vulnerable road users are at particular risk.[20]

In 1998 the TRL reported[21] that signed 20 mph (32 km/h) speed limits only reduced traffic speeds by about 1 mph and delivered no discernible reduction in accident numbers but that 20 mph zones achieved average speed reductions of 10 mph with child pedestrian accident reductions of 70% and child cyclist accident reductions of 48%.[22] The report noted that the cost of wide area traffic calming was prohibitive.
20 mph speed limits

20 mph speed limits are based on signage alone and are used where 85th percentile speeds are already below 24 mph.[20]

A report published in 2010 by the Department for Transport regarding Portsmouth City Council's 20 mph (32 km/h) speed limit on 410 km (250 mi) of the city's 438 km (272 mi) of roads found a small (1.3 mph) reduction in traffic speed and a small 8% increase in the number of serious accidents – neither of which were statistically significant – and a 21% reduction in the number of accidents. There was a 6% increase in the numbers killed or seriously injured (KSI) – also not statistically significant due to the small numbers involved – and a 22% reduction in the total number of road casualties.[23]
20 mph zones
Road sign used to mark the start of a 20 mph zone

In places where 20 mph speeds are desired but where excessive speeds (85th percentile speed of 24 mph or above) occur, 20 mph zones are recommended. These have to use traffic calming measures to reduce speeds to below 20 mph.[24]

In 1992 David Harding-Price a parish councillor in Barrow-Upon-Humber proposed a 20 mph speed limit outside the local school. This was rejected by the council. By August 2002, Kingston upon Hull had introduced 112 20-mph zones and 190 km of roads subject to a 20 mph limit covering 26% of the city's streets which they described as contributing to "dramatic reductions in road casualties". Total collisions were reduced by 56%, Killed & seriously injured collisions down 90%, child casualties collisions down 64% and all pedestrian collisions down 54% and child pedestrian collisions down 74%.[25]

A report published in 2008 estimated that following the introduction of 20 mph zones in London, a reduction of casualties by 45% and KSI by 57% occurred.[26]

What other laws shall we all just randomly decide that we're not going to respect on the basis we are better placed to judge whether they make sense or not than the State?

I sometimes can’t believe that this is a chat forum on a cycling website. Comes across like Top Gear on most car threads. 😉

I find it bizzare that people will knowingly break laws that can and do result in the deaths of others. I’m no saint, quite the opposite in my youth, but always drive within the limits. There can be very serious consequences if you don’t.

You really need to read the highway code and keep your eyes open, tpbiker

In Scotland.. Is that a fact? Evidence please? It's down to local councils as far as I am aware. So prove it.. Or study up yourself..

If it helps, I also go through red lights on my bike if there's no one around to see.

*runs away*

It’s a 30mph limit past my local primary school. Not 20.

Help me out here But neighbors swingset ? classed as public place ?

12. Had sex in a public place

You drive too fast past schools tpbiker, 29mph is too fast

I used that as an example comparison clearly.. I don't drive past any schools othwr than one which is in an area which is 20,for the entire area.. so your your assertion that I drive too fast is clearly nonsense.

But anyway.. Back to Highway code.. 20 mph mandatory outside schools.. Prove it.. Or get studying..

It’s a 30mph limit past my local primary school. Not 20.

As thought.. It's down to council discretion..

I suggest someone uses their eyes more while driving and studies up on the highway code then..

Or keeps quiet on stuff they clearly know nothing about..

It’s a 30mph limit past my local primary school. Not 20.

Ok so we are allowed to pick and choose which laws we agree we should comply with, fine.

But that must mean everyone else is allowed to make the same judgment then?

Even if their judgment is they want to pass a cyclist way too close or steal their bike or just lob a Molotov cocktail through their bedroom window as they sleep.

You need to send a letter to you local council, lister. Or perhaps start a petition. I live near a school and started a successful petition to get speed bumps and a 30kmh limit. The local authorities came and recorded the speed of cars past the school (no presecutions just a camera to gather data to see if my request was justified) then set to work.

If ever a child had been hurt and I hadn't gone knocking on doors I'd have felt responsible. If there's an accident despite the improvements I'll at least know there was nothing more I could have done (legally).

Ok so we are allowed to pick and choose which laws we agree we should comply with, fine.

But that must mean everyone else is allowed to make the same judgment then?

Even if their judgment is they want to pass a cyclist way too close or steal their bike or just lob a Molotov cocktail through their bedroom window as they sleep.

Eduakor..im going to suggest rather than writing letters to the council you worry yourself with getting up to speed with the highway code first.. Baby steps..you have already been shown up as not knowing what you
are talking about.

But that must mean everyone else is allowed to make the same judgment then?

Sweet. That guy who keeps parking right outside my door with the stereo blaring needs a good beating. I’ll judge that I can ignore that silly GBH thing. Not set fire to anything since I was a teen either. This weekend is going to be epic!

There are no rules to life, only consequences for your actions.

Depends on who you are

curto80 - Member
Ok so we are allowed to pick and choose which laws we agree we should comply with, fine.

But that must mean everyone else is allowed to make the same judgment then?

Even if their judgment is they want to pass a cyclist way too close or steal their bike or just lob a Molotov cocktail through their bedroom window as they sleep.

Again, context old chap. And common sense 😀

Would love to have a go on a Molotov Cocktail tho! Not to throw through somebody's window, that would be rude.

Again, context old chap. And common sense

That’s the thing though, laws need to exist because not everyone is good at the whole context thing.

Fact is lots of schools have 20mph limits and you cited 29mph cleary thinking that was below the limit, tpbiker. You brag about breaking the law at 120mph so I can't see you being overyly concerned about being 71ù over other limits.

What town do you live in, or county if you're worried about giving away your location. That way we can all check how many 20mph limits there are near you.

And yet those people probably won't observe the law anyway...

...and here we are again.

The whole driving attitude requires a major shift in perception. Driving a car on Public roads should be about the other users on that road first, then you the driver using the same road.

Roads are for everyone, not just those that think they’re entitled to belittle and intimidate by abusing the Laws and Regulations that apply to all users of the road network.

If you are unable to abide by those Laws and Regulations then you’ve no right to be on the road, and long may the Law be enforceable on you without sympathy or consideration when abusing those self same Laws that apply to everyone.

Driving a car on Public roads should be about the other users on that road first, then you the driver using the same road.

Agree.

Roads are for everyone

Agree

not just those that think they’re entitled to belittle and intimidate by abusing the Laws and Regulations that apply to all users of the road network.

Aaaand you've lost me. What. Does. That. Mean?

Fact is lots of schools have 20mph limits and you cited 29mph cleary thinking that was below the limit, tpbiker. You brag about breaking the law at 120mph so I can't see you being overyly concerned about being 71ù over other limits.

Are you deliberately misrepresenting what I wrote.. Or are you just not particularly bright?

Firstly.. I said 29 in a 30..which is below the limit.. In what was clearly a hypothetical example. Regardless I was citing that was actually dangerous behaviour despite being 'legal'. I struggle to think that wasn't pretty obvious.

And I wasn't bragging about driving at 120 mph.. I have on numerous occasions on this thread said that I would not do that.. Because I'd be banned. Assume you didn't grasp that point either..

Are you deliberately misrepresenting what I wrote.

No, tpbiker, here's exactly what you wrote on the previous page, the complete paragraph, no modifications:

Tell me, what is more dangerous.. Me driving at 29 in a 30 at 4pm outside a school.. Or driving on a deserted motorway at 120 in a car that is designed to go far in excess of that.

Ok, if the speed limits are too low for some of the drivers on here, where is the huge campaign from the AA, RAC etc etc lobbying the government to increase speed limits?

Is there a petition online to increase the speed limits, if not why not start one?

My point being that whatever speed is set as the limit this thread shows that some divers will habitually exceed it. Simple as that.

For that reason alone 70mph is plenty fast enough for me as some divers see it as a discretionary limit only.

Can't see anything to controversy in any of the above to be honest?

And this on the day that the French government anounces a drop in the national speed limit from 90kmh to 80km in th ehope of saving 300+ lives a year. The Swiss dropped the limit to 80 with a referendum and the improvement that followed is what's encouraged teh french government to lower the limit. As for enforcement, any car on the road could be one of the new radar cars that can radar all the oncoming traffic.

No, tpbiker, here's exactly what you wrote on the previous page, the complete paragraph, no modifications:

Tell me, what is more dangerous.. Me driving at 29 in a 30 at 4pm outside a school.. Or driving on a deserted motorway at 120 in a car that is designed to go far in excess of that.

Yep.. That's what I wrote..it was clearly a question to make my earlier point.. I also wrote on page 3..

It's far more dangerous driving at 30 past a school than it is 120 on a deserted 3 lane motorway (in a high performance car).

Context is everything...

So.. It's pretty clear I think driving quickly pst schools is not on. And trying to make out I think it's OK is either misrepresentation or demonstrates an inability to read.

I've also stated numerous times I would not drive at 120 mph... Just that I don't think it's particularly dangerous to do so, dependent on road conditions . I struggle to comprehend how you couldn't work out that was a hypothetical example tbh..

But you can't justify one wrong thing by saying something else is worse , hypothetically or not .

Roads are for everyone, not just those that think they’re entitled to belittle and intimidate by abusing the Laws and Regulations that apply to all users of the road network.

If you are unable to abide by those Laws and Regulations then you’ve no right to be on the road, and long may the Law be enforceable on you without sympathy or consideration when abusing those self same Laws that apply to everyone.

I struggle to comprehend how you couldn't work out that was a hypothetical example tbh..

Because of the word "Me" followed by the word "driving". If it had been "someone driving" I'd have considered the possibility you were talking hypothetically, the "Me" made it unambiguous that you sere the one driving past a school at 29 and doing 120 on the motorway.

And as Neil notes, even if you were speaking hypothetically you justify one stupid act by claiming it's less stupid than another stupid act.

perfectly safe

*No lights or sirens, just cruising with the flow of traffic that’s clearing breaking the law that bikebuoy holds so dear to his fluffy little heart.
Bless him.

And may I be the first to put my hand up to having never broken any of those 40 laws.

And may I be the first to put my hand up to having never broken any of those 40 laws.

Edukator, do the decent thing and admit you took his quote out of context. It's alright to admit you were wrong, some people may even respect you for it.

Anyway, this has gone full STW, life boats are gone so time to bail before this ship goes under.

You can drive tractors on the motorway if they are taxed and fuelled with white diesel. I know because I googled it after seeing two going down the M5 a couple of years ago.

You can't if they're classed as agricultural vehicles with the DVLA.

Not all within last year but broken most of these at one point or several points. Can anyone claim they have never broken any of these?

Half of those aren't laws, they're urban myths.

My point being that whatever speed is set as the limit this thread shows that some divers will habitually exceed it. Simple as that.

Simply untrue.

the "Me" made it unambiguous that you sere the one driving past a school at 29 and doing 120 on the motorway.

Are you new to the concept of examples?

Cougar

My point being that whatever speed is set as the limit this thread shows that some divers will habitually exceed it. Simple as that.

Simply untrue.

You believe that some drivers do not regularly cruise along a motorway at 80+ as an almost default speed?

Also that drivers do not sometimes lose their licence from multiple speeding convictions, rather than being just silly "once"?

You can't if they're classed as agricultural vehicles with the DVLA.

Well yes but you can take an agricultural vehicle and register it thus rendering it fit for motorway use.
The point being it’s a tax issue not a ‘vehicle’ issue.

Simply untrue.

Plod would disagree with you on that - quite the opposite in their opinion.

You believe that some drivers do not regularly cruise along a motorway at 80+ as an almost default speed?

I don't think you wrote what you meant to write here, but as written I completely believe that.

EDIT: Actually, re-reading I may have misread your original post. Some drivers will speed habitually, but they are the minority, is what I meant.

Most drivers are more likely to comply with limits they believe are reasonable and ignore ones that they think aren't. If you put a 20mph speed limit on the motorway with no enforcement, almost no-one would obey it. There will always be a few who will drive on the edge of what they think they can get away with, or even just not care, but they are likely to be a minority.

Google "85th percentile" for further reading.

Well yes but you can take an agricultural vehicle and register it thus rendering it fit for motorway use.
The point being it’s a tax issue not a ‘vehicle’ issue.

Ah, I didn't realise that. Thanks.

Pretty much agree with all that cougar.

Didn't see that coming! 😀

Did it appear out of nowhere? (-:

Twas like a white Beemer in the rear view mirror. 😉