[Closed] So my bro got caught speeding

Cougar - Moderator

Can we just assume I said "very slow" rather than "walking pace" please?

No, we need you to provide peer reviewed research to exactly quantify what walking pace equates to, otherwise you're wrong, which is all that matters.

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making progress at 85

A minor irritation. 😉

The IAM use the term "making progress" to describe driving that is only within the speed limit.
The IAM does not condone breaking the speed limit.
Using the term to describe driving in excess of the speed limit only shows ignorance of the IAM.

I can only imagine that the collective ridicule is used as an excuse for drivers to not bother furthering their tuition post driving test, which very few bother to do. 💡

[quote=Cougar ]Can we just assume I said "very slow" rather than "walking pace" please?

Well you're the mod...

(I was going to point out my speedo doesn't over-read by that much - the clue should have been that trucks do less than 60mph indicated on my speedo)

[quote=Cougar ]You seem to have misread. I said,
"So you'd either have to be constantly weaving in and out of traffic or sat in the middle lane for miles on end."[i]

or maybe you did 😉 because I pointed out a circumstance where you don't have to do either of those things, hence that's an inaccurate statement. Again, my experience of motorways is clearly different to yours (maybe to a lot of people here?) As I normally find I only have to overtake a maximum of two lorries at once before moving back into the left lane (no matter how fast I'm going), which would take less than a mile even at 65mph.

If you habitually drive at 65pmh on the motorway it's likely that you're also a paid-up member of the Lane Two Owners' Club.

Though as I've given an example where that's not the case it's clearly not definitive - the issue here is that middle lane driving is bad, not that driving at 65mph is.

You can almost certainly drive at 20mph in the middle lane and inconvenience nobody if the rest of the traffic is similarly slowed or if it's 4am.

or to get rid of any strawmen you could be driving in the left lane at 65mph at 10pm when the motorway isn't completely empty but there are no trucks. As was the case last time I was on a motorway.

Using the term to describe driving in excess of the speed limit only shows ignorance of the IAM.

Whilst I don't disagree with your point, the IAM do not have exclusive copyright on the term and people are free to use it to mean whatever they want it to mean.

A minor irritation

It's become a bit of a STW meme to indicate driving like a nob, and I'll hoof anyone in the slats if they tell me I can't use it any more 😉

Can we just have another Brexit thread instead?

Isn't that precisely what I just said?

Incidentally, if she's an advanced instructor, does that mean she's qualified to comment on how to pass the regular test which holds a driver to different standards?

Considering she did that before getting to the whole advanced part then, yes, yes she is (or was).

I think what I and others were trying to say is pretty much what you’ve said to be honest. Drive to the conditions, but within the limits. The problem is the number of muppets out there who will still do 40 in sheeting rain or heavy fog, just because the limit states 40.

Considering she did that before getting to the whole advanced part then, yes, yes she is (or was).

Fair enough. It was a genuine question BTW, I wasn't being an arse.

aracer - Member
bikebouy » My average since leaving the showroom shows 33mph, and I’ve just clocked 3900miles since new..
Whilst it’s no proof of any speeding offences caused/not caused it’s a clear indication of the speeds I do.
Not necessarily - it might just be that you spend a lot of time in traffic jams and floor it whenever you have the opportunity (recently my trip average speed was very low because my car had spent significant time idling on the drive). Average speed over the lifetime of a car is a very useless piece of information.

I disagree.

I use the M27/M3/A1/A3/A2 a lot, and obviously suburban locations. So no, the information isn't useless I see it as an piece of information to show that there are some of us in the UK where we have no desire to speed and really don't rely on a sense of misguided entitlement to drive like dicks and speed, when there is no logical nor legal requirement to do so.

I'm not alone, a summary glance at the comments in this thread leads me to believe there are humbly more folks that drive like I do around, which is very satisfying news TBH because I was coming to the conclusion that to own a car means you must drive flat chat everywhere and act like an irresponsible loony with a misguided sense of arrogant entitlement.

Keep your speeding to the race tracks, there are plenty of places off the PUBLIC roads where you may take all your inner angst out on inanimate objects and not inflict idiocy and aggression on other humans who occupy a bit of space invariably in front of you that you feel you want to bully out of the way and get to your destination 11 seconds quicker than the person you've just bullied off the road.

[quote=bikebouy ]I use the M27/M3/A1/A3/A2 a lot, and obviously suburban locations. So no, the information isn't useless I see it as an piece of information to show that there are some of us in the UK where we have no desire to speed and really don't rely on a sense of misguided entitlement to drive like dicks and speed, when there is no logical nor legal requirement to do so.

Except it doesn't show that at all. It provides precisely zero information about whether you habitually speed - the 40 everywhere brigade would likely have a similar average speed. My current trip average speed is similar, yet that includes spells of speeding on the motorway (so shoot me), the above mentioned trip travelling at 65 and some hypermiling sitting behind trucks. Also plenty of time spent driving around town under the speed limit - however if my driving around town consisted of flooring it between traffic lights that would make barely any difference to my average speed.

I'm not alone, a summary glance at the comments in this thread leads me to believe there are humbly more folks that drive like I do around, which is very satisfying news TBH because I was coming to the conclusion that to own a car means you must drive flat chat everywhere and act like an irresponsible loony with a misguided sense of arrogant entitlement.

In case you hadn't nooticed, I'm one of the ones on here supporting you (and the motorway is the only place I'll speed, though even that's rare for me nowadays - I'll justify my difference in attitude by the absence of vulnerable road users from motorways).

I'll justify my difference in attitude by the absence of vulnerable road users from motorways

Motorcyclists are highly vulnerable on motorways.

They're also mostly going faster than me...

I'm not sure where it was stated that speeding equals bullying folk off the road but I don't think anyone here (except you) suggested it did much less defended such behaviour. Have you ever stopped to consider though that your own behaviour may be the catalyst for such a reaction?

Maybe instead of wafting along on a wave of self righteousness you could spend your time taking some refresher lessons and ask the instructors for their thoughts on the matter. I dare say they will say the same as the articles I already referenced.

[quote=squirrelking ]Have you ever stopped to consider though that your own behaviour may be the catalyst for such a reaction?

Bingo. Let's blame the person going slower for people being aggressive on the roads.

I'm not sure where it was stated that speeding equals bullying folk off the road but I don't think anyone here (except you) suggested it did [b]much less defended such behaviour[/b]

Bingo, failed to read the whole post.

So yes, Doris is clearly in the wrong by driving at half the posted limit when conditions allow full speed

By the letter of the law, it would seem so, however you'd have to prove she was a hazard. Given that trucks are limited to 56 (?) I don't think she'd be much of a hazard at 45. Interesting though, I wasn't aware of such an offence. I guess all those years I spent driving combines & tractors (20mph tops) & the coppers that I drove past weren't aware of it either.

Or perhaps they just didn't see it as that big a deal - whose to say hey.

One of the things I did pick up from my awareness course was the necessity to be a polite, considerate & patient driver. Do unto others & all that jazz.

That obviously goes both ways - both slower & faster drivers need to be aware of each other.

The bottom line is the limit is a limit not a target, I've happily driven below the posted limit in my turbo-charged Beetle & will do so when I please. You want to go faster? Overtake. Just don't go getting all impatient & entitled - the road is there to share, it's a privilege not a right.

Trucks might be doing 56 mph but what about anyone else doing 70? That's a hell of a speed differential and all the more dangerous when entering the motorway.

How often did you drive agricultural vehicles on the motorway anyway, if you don't mind me asking?

I'm all for limit not target but if you're driving slower than conditions allow then clearly something is deficient. If you're not confident driving to the conditions you shouldn't be on the road, end of. Bad drivers are bad drivers be they fast or slow (or often, both). Similarly people should exercise patience as not every vehicle can go (or should go) as fast as everyone else. Like you say consideration works both ways, if you fancy a dawdle for no other reason than because you feel entitled to then get out and have a walk and stop holding up traffic.

If the slow moving vehicle is in the left hand lane with other slow moving vehicles, lets say 45-65, you've still got another 2 lanes to work with. That should be plenty of room for a competent, aware, observant drive to navigate their way round that vehicle.

That's a hell of a speed differential and all the more dangerous when entering the motorway.

It's a slip road - not a drag strip.

How often did you drive agricultural vehicles on the motorway anyway, if you don't mind me asking?

I didn't as the ones I drove weren't allowed to as they could only reach about 25mph,but I did believe you can drive a JCB Fastrac as they can do 45mph..

It's a slip road for merging into traffic, pulling in at half the speed isn't merging. Go read a highway code before you embarrass yourself further, that was just ridiculous.

And no, you will only have have one or more lanes to work with as the heavy traffic will already be overtaking them. This then causes traffic already in an overtaking lane to slow down, then the traffic behind them, and so on. Concertina effect into traffic jam all because some doddery idiot can't use the road properly.

if you fancy a road ride for no other reason than because you feel entitled to, then get out and have a walk and stop holding up traffic.

Go read a highway code before you embarrass yourself further, that was just ridiculous.

Looking in the mirror?

Concertina effect into traffic jam all because some doddery idiot can't use the road properly.

Now you just come across as impatient & entitled. Long has been my hunch. You'll learn one day, if you're lucky.

What roadies? Oh are they drafting Lebowski in his combine whilst the HA gaze on in amazement from the hard shoulder?

Bog off back under your viaduct.

You can drive tractors on the motorway if they are taxed and fuelled with white diesel. I know because I googled it after seeing two going down the M5 a couple of years ago.

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No I didn’t take the photo whilst I was driving, do you think I’m some kind of self-entitled speeder or something 😆

I did hear they had banned speeding, apparently they banned fox hunting and smoking in work vehicles too 😆 😀

For those who think no limits on motorways is a good thing, check out Germany. There are only 388 kms of limit-free Autobahn left and they have a much higher accident rate than the rest of the network despite being the sections deemed safe enough to leave limit free. The accident rate on the limt-free section is three times the French autoroute accident rate (le Figaro) and much higher than the rest of the German network. Page 89 of this if you read German:

I'm not sure anyone has yet advocated no speed restrictions on a motorway have they? I'll stand by my comments that doing 120 in my car on an empty straight motorway is perfectly safe, but doing anything like that speed with other traffic about is reckless and will inevitably lead to crashes.

And given the speed limits don't account for road conditions, I have no issues keeping the limit at 70.

squirrelking - Member
I'm not sure where it was stated that speeding equals bullying folk off the road but I don't think anyone here (except you) suggested it did much less defended such behaviour. Have you ever stopped to consider though that your own behaviour may be the catalyst for such a reaction?

Maybe instead of wafting along on a wave of self righteousness you could spend your time taking some refresher lessons and ask the instructors for their thoughts on the matter. I dare say they will say the same as the articles I already referenced.

I totally does mean speeding is bullying ! What rights do you, or anybody, have for that matter to speed? You have absolutely NONE. You have no rights using your car to intimidate nor threaten ANYONE on the Public Highway. That includes busy roadways, open sections and clear carriageways, you still have NO rights to speed and by speeding you are intimidating other people on that road. You have absolutely no idea of what is around the bend, whats in the road, other road users if you are speeding. DOn't come back to me with an excuse "I do, I've been driving fast for XX years, I'm awesome" because you are simply breaking the law when you speed.
Trying to out me by pointing out that I drive slowly and within ALL speed limits is futile. I abide by them and drive courteously purely for the fact that I'm not an imbecile and have consideration for other road users.
Quite how you defend your position by claiming MY driving is inconsiderate clearly opens up yourself to your own inability to drive courteously, you lack consideration for other road users by stating such utter nonsense. That Sir is not my fault and perhaps if you can not use the Road network and take EVERYONE else on that road into consideration then please hand your license in and catch a bus. We'd prefer you not be on the Road.

Keep digging and trying to defend a loosing situation you find yourself in, Yes I have the moral majority on my side and I reckon you sit behind the wheel bemoaning a small amount of traffic infront of you when you drive anywhere, no doubt proclaiming under your breath "jeeeeze, chuffing granddads get outa my way" whilst in the back of your mind thinking you are so important that you can intimidate other road users into causing distractions.

Drive like a Dick all you like, but you have no rights to speed nor intimidate whilst using a vehicle. The sooner You and Everyone else realises this the better.

I await your comeback, for sure you'll defend your position by picking on or using intimidation or provocation to defend your self and every other speeder that drives like a nobber.

In fact, if you speed and get caught I'd most definitely support a proposal that a huge sticker be placed on the back of your vehicle proclaiming that you speed and are a idiot for doing so and that you have been caught and have X number points on your license.. a great big Red sticker with all the information contained in large letters..
This will allow all us normal folk to visually spot what type of vehicle user you are.

HTHs.

I've only twice been on an empty straight motorway in the UK. New Year's day 1988 in the small hours and we were first off an almost empty boat in Dover. The other time was on a bicycle on the M42 before it opened.

Edit: good to see someone's got around to telling it like it is, bikebouy.

I totally does mean speeding is bullying ! What rights do you, or anybody, have for that matter to speed? You have absolutely NONE. You have no rights using your car to intimidate nor threaten ANYONE on the Public Highway. That includes busy roadways, open sections and clear carriageways, you still have NO rights to speed and by speeding you are intimidating other people on that road. You have absolutely no idea of what is around the bend, whats in the road, other road users if you are speeding. DOn't come back to me with an excuse "I do, I've been driving fast for XX years, I'm awesome" because you are simply breaking the law when you speed.
Trying to out me by pointing out that I drive slowly and within ALL speed limits is futile. I abide by them and drive courteously purely for the fact that I'm not an imbecile and have consideration for other road users.
Quite how you defend your position by claiming MY driving is inconsiderate clearly opens up yourself to your own inability to drive courteously, you lack consideration for other road users by stating such utter nonsense. That Sir is not my fault and perhaps if you can not use the Road network and take EVERYONE else on that road into consideration then please hand your license in and catch a bus. We'd prefer you not be on the Road.

Keep digging and trying to defend a loosing situation you find yourself in, Yes I have the moral majority on my side and I reckon you sit behind the wheel bemoaning a small amount of traffic infront of you when you drive anywhere, no doubt proclaiming under your breath "jeeeeze, chuffing granddads get outa my way" whilst in the back of your mind thinking you are so important that you can intimidate other road users into causing distractions.

Drive like a Dick all you like, but you have no rights to speed nor intimidate whilst using a vehicle. The sooner You and Everyone else realises this the better.

I await your comeback, for sure you'll defend your position by picking on or using intimidation or provocation to defend your self and every other speeder that drives like a nobber.

In fact, if you speed and get caught I'd most definitely support a proposal that a huge sticker be placed on the back of your vehicle proclaiming that you speed and are a idiot for doing so and that you have been caught and have X number points on your license.. a great big Red sticker with all the information contained in large letters..
This will allow all us normal folk to visually spot what type of vehicle user you are.

HTHs.

I've only twice been on an empty straight motorway in the UK.

you have no rights using your car to intimidate nor threaten ANYONE on the Public Highway. That includes busy roadways, open sections and clear carriageways,

Say what?

Admit it, you're just pissy because some people occasionly break the rules when you [s]choose to[/s] have to obey at all times 😉

😯 Wow.

When you're done making stuff up in your head you're going to realise what a prat you're making of yourself. I never said or advocated any of that, I have only said people should drive to the conditions within the posted limits. If you are too stupid to understand what that means or to understand that people overtaking you when YOU are going slower than the limit aren't necessarily speeding then frankly I don't think I'm up to the job of correcting that.

I'd suggest either getting lessons or handing your licence in if you can use the road network neither competently nor confidently.

Bikebouy.. Get a grip man. Noone is condoning bullying other drivers.. And if you can't help but feel intimidated when someone passes you slightly over the speed limit, I'm going to suggest you grow a set.

Pretty much north of Preston on the M6 right up to Hamilton on the M74 has lot's of empty streches of good motorway at various times throughout the day

Yep, that's the road I'm referring too. Often been on there at 9pm and had 3 lanes all too myself for miles. Would be perfectly safe to go as fast as I wanted in those situations.. I don't, but not because I think it's unsafe.

So let’s take this to where it should go. What other laws are you all comfortable breaking? I think graffiti should be allowed, after all nobody is getting hurt.

What makes me laugh is that some of you that consciously speed are probably the same posters that cry outrage when somebody keeps something that Amazon delivered in error. Hypocritestrackworld.

It's not "breaking the rules" though is it. It's breaking the law. What other laws shall we all just randomly decide that we're not going to respect on the basis we are better placed to judge whether they make sense or not than the State?

Edit: what Funk said

What other laws are you all comfortable breaking?

Recreational drug use (not much these days, but in principle). Trespass (not really a law but...) Parts of the Criminal Justice Act of 1994 about dancing to repetitive music etc... I could go on?

Some laws are silly. It's a fact. Make your own mind up. Wasn't it illegal to be a gayer a while back?

EDIT: Not saying speed laws are silly, far from it. But If it's an open road in the middle of the night... etc etc ad nauseaum...

What other laws are you all comfortable breaking?

It's not "breaking the rules" though is it. It's breaking the law.

I can't imagine living my life to the letter of the law or some set of rules someone has devised for others to follow. I can't even bring myself to imagine what a world would look like if everyone did so.

Ok cool, carry on then. It's not even your fault that you're part of the problem. We as a society are conditioned to believe that thousands of deaths and serious injuries on our roads are the price worth paying for the covenience of the private car ownership dream. It's such a massive blind spot in our social values and people in the future will look back and wonder why we were all so mental about it. Respect to the people on here who get it and want to do what they can to make a difference.

Jamb

Loads of open roads in the New Forest where in the middle of the night you won't see another car for miles. That's when the hit and runs on the livestock happen. I posted a while back a link from a Police force which said motorists can't be trusted to behave responsibly and they were right. That's why we need objective enforcement of our road traffic laws without exception.

Not all within last year but broken most of these at one point or several points. Can anyone claim they have never broken any of these?

http://metro.co.uk/2017/07/25/how-many-of-these-laws-have-you-broken-in-the-last-year-6803780/

1. Drank alcohol under the age of 18
2. Sworn or gestured to other road users
3. Eaten or drank whilst driving
4. Vacuumed between the hours of 6pm and 8am on a weekday or 1pm and 8am on a Saturday or on a Sunday
5. Parked partly on a pavement
6. Cycled on pavements
7. Speeding while driving
8. Pocketed change when given wrong amount
9. Beeped a horn for any reason other than alerting traffic
10. Been drunk on the street, in a pub or in a restaurant
11. Changed a CD while driving
12. Had sex in a public place
13. Bought cigarettes under the age of 18
14. Dropped litter
15. Taken illegal drugs
16. Disturbed people by ringing their doorbells / knocking at their doors and leaving before being answered (or playing knock, knock, ginger - also known as knock down ginger)
17. Not worn a seatbelt during a car journey
18. Flown a kite in a park
19. Used a fake name on the internet
20. Stuck a postage stamp upside down
21. Used a mobile phone while driving
22. Cycled without lights after dark
23. Parked on double yellow lines
24. Driven through a red light
25. Not paid for a carrier bag at a self-service check-out
26. Had sex when you were under 16 years of age
27. Not had a TV licence and watched TV
28. Used someone else’s Wi-Fi without them knowing
29. Smoked in a non-smoking area
30. Thrown tree cuttings back over your neighbours’ garden
31. Claimed an item at the self-service till without paying for it
32. Taken a child out of school for a holiday - without the head teacher’s permission
33. Not informed the DVLA of a change of name or address
34. Not cleaned up after your dog has pooed on the street/public path
35. Cycled through a red light
36. Fiddled your expenses
37. Sung or chanted a crude football chant in the street
38. Gone fishing without a licence
39. Parked opposite a junction
40. Put makeup on while driving

*prints page to tick items off*

Put makeup on while driving

Dammit!

Was doing so well!

Ok cool, carry on then. It's not even your fault that you're part of the problem. We as a society are conditioned to believe that thousands of deaths and serious injuries on our roads are the price worth paying for the covenience of the private car ownership dream. It's such a massive blind spot in our social values and people in the future will look back and wonder why we were all so mental about it. Respect to the people on here who get it and want to do what they can to make a difference.

But.. Noone is saying that.

Noone is condoning driving dangerously in a fashion that puts others at risk. You seemed to have glossed over that point.

Tell me, what is more dangerous.. Me driving at 29 in a 30 at 4pm outside a school.. Or driving on a deserted motorway at 120 in a car that is designed to go far in excess of that.

*prints page to tick items off*

Put makeup on while driving

Dammit!

Was doing so well!

28 out of 40, badass that I am.