[Closed] So my bro got caught speeding

There’s nothing inherently dangerous about driving at 120mph. It’s initially shocking if you’ve never done it, but you quickly adapt. So on a deserted road, and assuming a well maintained car, it’s no more dangerous than driving 70 and the Germans clearly think so.

What’s dangerous is driving at high speed without consideration for other road users who aren’t, and no one, not a single person in this thread has spoken to the contrary.

So long as those who don’t want to speed aren’t bullied by those that do and so long as those that don’t want to speed simply obey the law rather than attempt to enforce it, just live and let live. Those who speed will get their rewards in due time and I’m sure they’ve made their peace with that choice. Why stress about it?

So on a deserted road, and assuming a well maintained car,

Let's go the whole hog and make it a bit safer still, with armco and run off areas and gravel traps, then people can fill their boots driving as fast as their cars will let them.

Amazed no-one thought of it before.

I will regret starting this thread until the day I die in a 120mph crash on the motorway

As long as you were driving carefully, the car is well maintained and you have stress tested all the parts to ensure that none of them will fail of course Edward. We wouldn’t want you to be driving recklessly at 120mph.

There’s nothing inherently dangerous about driving at 120mph. It’s initially shocking if you’ve never done it, but you quickly adapt. So on a deserted road, and assuming a well maintained car, it’s no more dangerous than driving 70 and the Germans clearly think so.

At 120 you lose peripheral vission and find yourself driving in a tunnel. When you do see things on the verges of your trajectory you are drawn towards them hence the number of vehicles on the hard shoulder that are hit. In the case of anything going wrong the chances of the car crossing the central reservation are much higher. The 130kmh French autoroute limit is based on the premis that below that speed most accidents will remain within the barriers rather than flying over and into on-coming traffic.

I've already linked the stats for the unlimited sections of the German autobahns, three times the accident rate on French autoroutes and much higher than on limited sections of German autobahns, and that despite those section ebing deemed safe enough to not need a speed limit.

Daffy - Member
There’s nothing inherently dangerous about driving at 120mph.

No, there really is.

Just one example:

Tyre blow out. Would you sooner be travelling at 70 or 120 in that event.

Faster speed simply means that any random event that might result in compromised control of the vehicle is more likely to end badly the faster you are travelling.

Simple question for you...

You are in said car that has tyre blow out. As a passenger, with a totally average driver in control of vehicle. Not a driving God like we all are in this thread. Genuinely, would you sooner be travelling at 70 or 120 in that car when the tyre goes?

If you answer "120", well, I'll be a little bemused to say the least.

Just to go back to the bullying people out of the way thing.

If someone is driving too close, having approached too fast and is driving like Jeremy Clarkson's Nipples are on fire, just move over when it's safe to. As you should be doing anyway. If there's no room to move over as the inner lane is 'full' then they can drive at your speed. There is no need to be intimidated, no need to do stupid brake checking manoeuvres, just progress correctly and let them do as they will.

People are bellends, let them be.

I’d rather be doing 80 in pretty much any modern car than 69.9 in a Landy when a blowout occurs that’s for sure 😆

Are you new to the concept of examples?

Yup, when delivered using the impersonal from. I have a problem here, Cougar, Tpbiker drives a Porsche Boxter and rants through overtaking threads about how much safer it is blasting past lines of caravans crawling along at 50 on country roads in the Boxter than in a normal car. Then he claims to be a slow careful driver whilst making allusions to "Me" and 120mph.

It's implausible double talk.

In his defence the Boxter isn't a real Porsche though is it. 🙂

I will regret starting this thread until the day I die

I'd hang on for a bit Edward, I dont think we have reached Peak Handbag Flailing just yet....

Oh, I do love a good driving / speeding thread....

Oh, I do love a good driving / speeding thread....

They are one of life's little joys aren't they?

This one is lacking some of the more more fervent petolheads needed to make it realy fly.

Arguing about flying above speed limits will require an entirely new thread.

At 120 you lose peripheral vission and find yourself driving in a tunnel.

In my experience it more around 140mph+. But you soon get used to it and vision corrects itself. It's a common 'thing' with professional/amateur racers returning from a lay off. Getting up to speed anyone?

In my experience it more around 140mph+. But you soon get used to it and vision corrects itself.

*swoon*

[url= https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/10/france-cuts-speed-limit-rise-deaths ]France reduce speed limit[/url]

But you soon get used to it and vision corrects itself.

You get used to it but your vision never corrects itself. I say this as a class winner on the Welsh Rally. It's an ever-present handicap as speed rises that you learn to live with and very present at 100mph which is where a lot of the rally cars of my day topped out as they ran out of revs and gears. It means spotting hazards a long way ahead and calculating your trajectory so you miss them because as they get close the tunnel effect means you can non longer follow them [u]and[/u] keep your focus where it needs to be as the road scrolls into view.

Edit: and back on topic, the tunnel effect means you won't notice cars changing lanes near to you if you are running at your 140mph which is one of the reasons the acciedent rate on the German 'bahns is so high.

You get used to it but your vision never corrects itself. I say this as a class winner on the Welsh Rally. It's an ever-present handicap as speed rises that you learn to live with and very present at 100mph which is where a lot of the rally cars of my day topped out as they ran out of revs and gears. It means spotting hazards a long way ahead and calculating your trajectory so you miss them because as they get close the tunnel effect means you can non longer follow them and keep your focus where it needs to be as the road scrolls into view.

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😀 Binners

I've played rally games and one of the unrealistic things is that you don't have the tunnel effect - or being physically beaten up, or the appalling clatter of stones, or the howling engine whilst trying to concentrate on what the guy next to you is shouting in the hope you'll hear that the next crest isn't flat.

Rorschach - Member

France reduce speed limit

Assuming they haven't raised the speed limit recently, I wonder why they are not tackling the reason behind their rise in KSIs and are concentrating on speed instead? 💡

I've played rally games and one of the unrealistic things is that you don't have the tunnel effect - or being physically beaten up, or the appalling clatter of stones, or the howling engine whilst trying to concentrate on what the guy next to you is shouting in the hope you'll hear that the next crest isn't flat.

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To save an estimated 300 lives a year according to TF1, sbob. The other areas to be targetted are alcohol which remains the major problem and the use of mobile devices which is now up to 10% of accidents.

The changes have been provoked by a recent rise in the death and injury rates after years of decline.

69.9 in a Landy

Shirley it's the strings of onions and clouds of Gitane smoke obscuring their vision that is causing the accidents .

Assuming they haven't raised the speed limit recently

Stick your swoon up your hole Ransos 😀

You get used to it but your vision never corrects itself.

It does you know. Rally cars don't go fast enough for long enough to get accustomed to it. Probably.

Edukator - Reformed Troll

To save an estimated 300 lives a year according to TF1, sbob.

That doesn't answer my question.
Alcohol isn't mentioned in the article. If that is the major problem then that is where they should concentrate their efforts.

According to the article, about half of their deaths are the equivalent of our single carriageway A roads. Out of those, about a third due to excessive [b]or[/b] inappropriate speed. If it is similar to the UK, then only a small fraction of that group will be due to speed in excess of the limit.
So what we have is policy that will affect 0.5x0.3x **** all of deaths.

Any thread about driving / speeding always brings out the militant nutters like bikebouy with their absolute opinions.

I find it quite funny that the most cautious / scared / militant type of drivers are often the ones who drive cars that are kept to pretty poor mechanical standards, low tread / pressures, low brake pads / discs, lack of servicing and any kind regular inspection, more likely to fit budget tyres etc as they 'dont speed so dont see the point'

There is a middle ground of driving speed and competence that most people fit into, then you have the nutters on either side of that, each capable of inflicting their own brand of grief on other road users.

I would rather be driven slightly too quickly somewhere by someone concentrating properly in a well maintained car, who has a decent level of observation / driving skill than some militant 'brake' member in their poorly maintained turd of a car who is causing no end of problems by hesitating, driving just too slowly spending more time ranting about other road users / looking in the mirror than actually getting on with the job in hand.

Crank rider if you go back and read BikeBouy’s comments he’s driving a car 4000miles from new so he’s likely to have a very well maintained car. I’m not sure I see the link to slower drivers and car maintanece.

I do think that we have some extremes on this thread as ever but I have no problem with drivers never exceeding the speed limit. Actually very commendable.

I do think that there is an over exposure on the question of speeding over the limits causing accidents. Certainly it’s part of the problem but just a part. There are so many other areas of concern with accidents. Drink driving, drugged driving, inappropriate speed (not necessarily over the speed limits), use of mobiles and other distractions in cars, plus just plane lack of care. The two times I’ve been run over on my bike the drivers weren’t speeding just driving without care and attention.

Evidence for this cars kept in a poor state of repair bollocks? Most people who are members of organisations such as Brake are members because they have lost somebody due to being hit by a car.

Not sure if it's on the thread (CBA'd looking though 9 pages) but here's Smokey Nagata doing 197mph on the A1, yeah he got busted 😆

I can't say I've never broken the speed limit, but I've also never been caught.

I do think that we have some extremes on this thread as ever but I have no problem with drivers never exceeding the speed limit. Actually very commendable.

Jesus christ, hardly a commendable achievement, is it?

I travelled down a road every day to work, it was an NSL road, I just followed the herd so long as the car infront of me was driving at a speed I felt safe doing, so pretty much upto and around the NSL speed limit, sometimes slightly over, yes.

Recently, the road was re-classified as a 50mph road, there have been no changes to the road or its surrounding buildings, lighting etc I am not aware of it being an accident hot-spot (never once has the road been closed in 5 years of daily commute or have I seen an accident, its a short, wide NSL stretch)

My point is, speed limits are not 'real', they are rules given to us by other people based on country-wide laws and opinion / statistics - Some speed limits seem too low on certain roads, and some certainly too high.

Someone on here a year ago actually said they think people that speed are as bad as rapists, an actual horiffic crime, hilarious.

Oh, of course BikeBouy's cars only done 4000 miles, he is probably terrified of driving so any journeys of significant size are out of the question after all.

Jesus christ, hardly a commendable achievement, is it?

Why isn’t it?

Evidence for this cars kept in a poor state of repair bollocks? Most people who are members of organisations such as Brake are members because they have lost somebody due to being hit by a car.

Evidence? What do you want me to provide, a government report on the correlation between speeding and vehicle mechanical condition?

My opninion is based on what I have seen of friends and family, their attitude to driving and the condition of their vehicles and attitude towards vehicle maintainence.

Nowhere above did I suggest a member of brake would have a poorly maintained car, nor do I think that, what I do think is that most of the drivers I know of that complain about others speeding and aggression on the road have poorly maintained cars that they just dont care about, they hate driving - why give the car any love?

Jesus christ, hardly a commendable achievement, is it?

Why isn’t it?

Im not sure if I am being obviously trolled here or not?

Do you think its commendable if you get out of bed in the morning too?

I want a medal........actually,can I have it later.I've not got out of bed yet.

Evidence? What do you want me to provide, a government report on the correlation between speeding and vehicle mechanical condition?

My opninion is based on what I have seen of friends and family, their attitude to driving and the condition of their vehicles and attitude towards vehicle maintainence.

So just a quite baseless opinion then, gotcha 😉

Err.....do you not remember what you wrote regarding Brake just up there?

I would rather be driven slightly too quickly somewhere by someone concentrating properly in a well maintained car, who has a decent level of observation / driving skill than some militant 'brake' member in their poorly maintained turd of a car

Driving well and within the limits is not the same as getting out of bed. Impulse control is a good thing. You seem pretty angry, stuck behind somebody driving sensibly per chance? 🙂

Euro

It does you know. Rally cars don't go fast enough for long enough to get accustomed to it. Probably.

Actually, I'm a Typhoon pilot when I'm not racing dragsters at santapod and at around 2000kph tunnel vision is a real problem.

I doubt you drive fast enough to get used to it to be honest.

Fortunately in the Typhoon cars aren't a real issue.

I just flash them (we call it lighting them up) with the Mauser 27mm Cannon.

Even at near Mach 2 I still get BMWs up my arse though...

I will regret starting this thread until the day I die

I would rather be driven slightly too quickly somewhere by someone concentrating properly in a well maintained car, who has a decent level of observation / driving skill than some militant 'brake' member in their poorly maintained turd of a car

The two are not exclusive, are they?

My point is, speed limits are not 'real', they are rules given to us by other people based on country-wide laws and opinion / statistics

Is that a guess, or do you actually know how speed limits are arrived at?

You seem pretty angry, stuck behind somebody driving sensibly per chance

Not really, I have been through my 'phase' of driving quick cars, im more than happy to bumble along at an appropriate speed and really dont get angry at all at other normal motorists, occasionally annoyed at the the overly hesitant / terrified or 40mph in a 60 yes, but usually I will just find a safe place to overtake and be on my way.

Poopscoop - Member
I doubt you drive fast enough to get used to it to be honest.

I don't. I was referring to the tunnel vision yer maun was talking about above - not speeding on the road.

You may not be familiar with road racing but it's pretty much our national sport (it's legal btw). This tunnel vision thing - it passes.

Euro - Member
Poopscoop - Member
I doubt you drive fast enough to get used to it to be honest.
I don't. I was referring to the tunnel vision yer maun was talking about above - not speeding on the road.

You may not be familiar with road racing but it's pretty much our national sport (it's legal btw). This tunnel vision thing - it passes.

Euro, did you actually really [b] read[/b] my post? Lol 😀

as soon as you admit that you allow someone else on the road who is driving perfectly reasonably and within the law to 'annoy' you, what does that say about your tolerance? Because they are hesitant / terrified - should they not be allowed out? Or just at specific times / on specific roads?

Do you get annoyed if for example a disabled person, or a mother with a pushchair is trying to get through a door in front of you and delays you for a short period? Or do you make allowance for them?