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Well Nazareth is inTexas, and there's a lot of Mexican immigrants living there.
Fair point.
So these people cannae even get the name right. is that correct?
I'm still eagerly awaiting the historical proof that Jesus existed that was mentioned early in the thread......
I'm still eagerly awaiting the historical proof that Jesus died [u]and was resurrected[/u] that was mentioned early in the thread......
(although if he did exist, it's fair to assume he's died by now)
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Idlejohn,even Wiki (as much as it pains me to say) presents the evidence of his existance.There is little/no debate even amoung Atheists as to the existance of Jesus of Nazereth.It is what he did that annoys you so much...
I assume that by wiki you mean this article on the [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus ]Historicity of Jesus[/url]. It doesn't seem to reference any contemporaneous accounts at all, and the vast majority of the 'evidence' is from the Bible or the Apocrypha. Doesn't look like a proven case to me, and I'm not even an Atheist (since that requires as much faith as to be a Theist).
...and the vast majority of the 'evidence' is from the Bible or the Apocrypha
which is a [i]bit[/i] like saying hobbits exist because they're in both LOTR and The Hobbit.
Militantgraham,is it inconvenient to answer the question I asked earlier? Or would that require an element on consistency on your part. (Cue standard "a Christian asking for consistency remarks" without having to be yourself)Mind you,having an obsession with old,pointless trucks may be a sign of an ocd,oh wait,no.
Higgo,no I don't actually,Jesus is referred to in a number of contempary documents.But you provided a lazy link yes? There is more written evidence of his existence than there is of Socrates or Plato.What was the most reliable for finding ancient sites in the middle east before modern tech?It was the bible.Funny how they dictated position of cities etc,but made up 400 pages detailing the exploits of somebody who did not exist.Move the goal posts if you like,I did not say you had to believe he died and came back,you made that up all by yourself.You are free to believe what you want,free will etc.
Again,I have no problem with people having a different/no belief system,and unlike the majority of the posters on here,respect other people's viewpoint.I am impressed that you all care so much about something you claim is untrue.Good night and God Bless.
No, you don't what?Higgo,no I don't actually
I didn't provide any links, lazy or otherwise.But you provided a lazy link yes?
No, I didn't. It way '[b]tyger[/b]' (not you) who said that "[i] the evidence for Jesus's life, death and resurrection is overwhelming, historically as well as Biblically.[/i]". Show me the 'overwhelming, non-biblical historic evidence of resurrection'. Or get [b]tyger[/b] to.Move the goal posts if you like,I did not say you had to believe he died and came back,you made that up all by yourself.
Militantgraham,is it inconvenient to answer the question I asked earlier?
Yes, I was asleep.
Do a bit of research on your militant atheist,the guy who was leaving offensive cartoons in a Muslim prayer room,google him
I'm not researching your argument for you. You google him and post the relevant bits here. Keep it short though, I haven't got a very good attention span.
Can someone explain to me why he decided to walk on water? Seems like a rather elaborate magic trick to pull for someone wanting to keep a low profile.
Noticed alreadyI'm not researching your argument for you. You google him and post the relevant bits here. Keep it short though, I haven't got a very good attention span.
You brought him up to try and make a point about how Christians/religious people get special treatment.
...Or you now realise he was not a very good example for you to use...Or is he a fair representation of a "militant Atheist?" (His description of himself.)
A "Prayer room" in an airport for a start. Isn't that special treatment ?
My original question was why was he arrested for distributing offensive leaflets about imaginary people when others don't get arrested for being equally offensive towards real people ?
And why the change of tack to mentioning my "obsession with old,pointless trucks" ? Do you really find it so odd that I might have another hobby besides mountain biking and the one I mention in my profile ?
A prayer room payed for by the local Mosque,open to all faiths or even as a "quiet place for reflection"(Not my description)Hardly special treatment.
People do get arrested for being equally offensive.Racial hatred is actually a crime,yes? This was pointed out to you about a page ago,but I don't mind reminding you.
Again; Is he a fairly typical Atheist? Based on your ever changing rantings...I would imagine you would think so.
I found your interest in trucks,enough to link your user profile on a mtb website to your own fanboy site seemed to fit in well with your own flawed description of mental illness.
Higgo - you've got mail 🙂
Blimey, this thread still trundling along!
A Jewish leader called Jesus is mentioned in Josephus "History of the Jews", written circa AD70. There is no mention of the resurrection, or any of the other miracles mentioned in the Bible.
fwiw my 6 year old goes to a C of E primary school. They cover Christianity in a fair depth, being linked to the village church, but also cover other religions and religious festivals. My lad likes going to church with school or Beavers, he enjoys the singing and story telling. But he wasn't even 6 years old when he was telling me about the Bible story they'd been studying and finished with "But there isn't really a God is there?" I stopped worrying about it at that point, he'd got a handle on it.
swadey -
A Jewish leader called Jesus is mentioned in Josephus "History of the Jews", written circa AD70. There is no mention of the resurrection, or any of the other miracles mentioned in the Bible.
Is that all you've found for your evidence? You either didn't look very hard or don't want to.
[i]even Wiki (as much as it pains me to say) presents the evidence of his existance[/i]
oh, Wikipedia has an entry. Must be true then 🙄
[i]Can someone explain to me why he decided to walk on water[/i]
so people 2000-odd years later can tell jokes about Kevin Keegan?
but Jesus invented fish fingers so he must be real! how else do you feed 5000 with some loaves and few fish
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Higgo - you've got mail
I have but it doesn't contain the "overwhelming historical evidence" of resurrection that you claim.
As I said have above, if you want to follow a religion based on faith and belief, go right ahead but don't claim there is evidence where there is none. You shouldn't need evidence to support a faith-based religion.
I would be fairly content there was a Jewish prophet upon which the tales of the bible are based.
However I am absolutely certain of the existence of Socrates and Plato. There are real historical figures with well documented lives. Jesus on the other hand has little contemprary documented existence.
One thing for sure - he was not a tall nordic blond. Nor was he born in midwinter. Just another in a long line of religious maniacs. These days they get medication.
You shouldn't need evidence to support a faith-based religion.
The nature of a faith-based religion is that there [b]isn't any evidence[/b], otherwise there would be no need for the 'Faith'. Of course, the more faith one has (and the less they question their faith) the more virtuous the follower is.
In reality, I suspect that most followers will be looking hard for evidence in order to justify their faith, and some do claim to 'see' it.
-If there was convincing evidence found to justify any religion there would be blanket coverage in the news media and it would be around the internet in minutes. 'Miracles' would be very popular, it is just a pity that so few take place nowadays compared with days of the Bible.
How many people would accept the finding of a court [b]against them[/b] without [u]any[/u] evidence?
[s]Would countries ever go to war on the basis of praying about it? [/s]
One thing for sure - he was not a tall nordic blond
God is an Englishman though, so he might have been 😉
God is an Englishman though...
Wrong.
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I really shouldn't do this,but you are both wrong. I cite the Cairngorms as proof.
I really shouldn't do this,but you are both wrong. I cite the Cairngorms as proof.
Well, he does move in a mysterious way and I've seen some very odd highland dancing so maybe you're onto something.
Well, he does move in a mysterious way and I've seen some very odd highland dancing so maybe you're onto something.
Two words....... Morris dancing
Two words....... Morris dancing
it's still better then skirt wearing men with big girlie purses 😉
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I'm with Al Murray on this - BACON is conclusive proof that their is a God!
Damn ... I can see your house from this hill ...
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it's still better then skirt wearing men with big girlie purses
I will see your skirt wearing purses and raise you... 😉
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If you are going to San Francisco...
looks like a gathering of single speeders to me, beards, silly clothes and a little fat one in the middle 😉