[Closed] So I'll be sanding the floor of Camo Manor this weekend and...

[i]Anything I should know to avoid catastrophe? [/i]

always lift the belt off the ground when the machine isn't moving.

Ah okay, so switch on and start moving straight away then?

Good advice right there.

Knee padding.

avoid any very recently installed plastic central heating pipes feeding your radiator through the floor if you have them (not me - a friend)

Any idea how long it takes? It's basically two biggish rooms and a hallway.

Ah okay, so switch on and start moving straight away then?

Yeah, then lift before you get to the end of a section. I've seen houses with nice little grooves a couple cm's from the skirting board, all the way round the room!

Have you made sure there's no protruding nails?

Yeah, we've gone over the floor a few times dooosuk. One last look over everything tonight. I have to bang all the floor board nails down too, I think?

Punch the nails in before you start or they'll rip the belt
Longer than you think + twice as long to clean the rest of the house 🙂
Not quick enough

Fantastic info guys! Cheers.

One more thing - a work mate has just told me you're supposed to start on the diagonal and then work along the floor boards the second time around. He's a bit of a git and I definitely don't trust him. On this occasion, is he right?

Ta.

Be prepared for the possibility of mucho dust - when I did ours the place was full of it. Not sure this is supposed to happen but it might.

Yes, sadly
It will remove more of the surface across the grain, but you need to finish it off with the grain to avoid the scratch marks showing
No need to tell him though

Ah, okay then.

Damn he looked so smug I was praying he was wrong.

No need to tell him though

Not unless it goes wrong, in which case I [u]will[/u] be blaming him.

Be prepared for the possibility of mucho dust - when I did ours the place was full of it. Not sure this is supposed to happen but it might.

The hire place has sold us these bags that are supposed to stop the dust getting out... did you use the same sharkbait?

You can try to seal off the rest of the house, but you can't. You can only minimise the mess, but its still worth it, double layers of plastic betweene the rooms minimum, Close ALL DOORS IN THE HOUSE.

You will need to clean several days in a row as it settles

The hire place has sold us these bags that are [b]supposed [/b]to stop the dust getting out...

😆

Make sure you put the sanding belts on the drum very tightly.

Get far more belts than you think you will need.

Ahhh.

Fairly massive undertaking, this.

But the end results are worth it, eh? Aren't they?

Ours looked good when finished. I think I saved a bag of the dust to mix with wood glue to fix dents and scratches.. haven't tried it so dunno if it actually works...

[i]But the end results are worth it, eh? Aren't they? [/i]

Well, you end up with a nice smooth floor to lay a carpet on 😉

A word of warning - those big floor sanders are absolute beasts - its quite physical work manoeuvring them and be prepared to be dragged across the floor the first time you lower it down. Seriously throaty machines!

As above make sure all nails are sorted - they destroy the sanding belts in seconds.

You are likely to need multiple passes on each section and make sure you keep a nice even pace otherwise you will have beautiful undulations across the boards.

Also, consider what you're going to protect your lovely sanded floors with between finishing the sanding and getting them varnished. I didn't and my wife spilt emulsion on them - soul destroying having to wait for it to dry and then sand some more. Even dusty footprints can take some shifting and remember when you've got exposed wood showing anything water based (like mud) can properly get into the wood.

Regardless of any bags etc the hire shop has sold you, you will get dusty - very very very dusty. Make sure you wear eye protection and a face mask.

Good luck - its a bitch of a job!

Cheers

Danny B

+1 for eye and mouth/nose protection.
Also, wear full length sleeves/legs and probably a buff or hat to keep the dust off you.

Go diagonal (45deg) to level out between the boards on your first pass or 2. Then go with the grain.
Don't bother with really coarse paper unless you really have to. The coarse stuff can catch and rip itself off the drum.

Hammer down any exposed nail heads first. they'll polish up fine, but if they're sticking out they can catch and rip the sandpaper.

Machines with bags do a fairly good job of catching the dust. Just make sure you empty them regularly and you're not supposed to leave the machine with them partially full: dust + heat buildup = BANG!

Edge rotary sanders are like trying to pin down a chimpanzee having a fit. YOu have to wrestle the buggers.

Once you're down to bear wood, wear shoe-protectors or non-marking soles.

Afterwards, once the dust has settled, hoover everything, then wash down with white spirit to degrease.

Once that has dried slap on the varnish/oil/whatever you're using.

Enjoy the results!

Seal the room doors with tape/bin bags - it'll get throughout the house otherwise. Guaranteed.

I sanded all the floors in one of our old 5 bed detatched homes once. it was horrible work.

sink all nails in a couple of mm at least to save ripping belts to bits.
have good dust masks, goggles, gloves and coveralls- and spare ones handy.

it is hot work so have drinks on hand.

tape off the doors. if you keep window open make sure all other windows doors are sut including neighbours washing off line.

prepare to seal the sanded floor as soon as you can.have your hoover ready

Dust is your enemy!

We have new house now and just sand around the edge of floors then put big ruggs down. a lot less hassle.

I bow down to your mighty knowledge, oh STW hive mind. 😀

Cheers all. I'm not sure if I'm more confident now, or scared stiff, but it's best to know.

Why not postpone the sanding for when the weather is absolutely bobbins?

You Brits are cra-a-a-azy

Isn't the weather bobbins now?

If I wait for über bobbins, this damn floor's never going to get done.

You need some face masks & ear protection. The big machine will not do the edges next to the wall so you also need the smaller hand edging tool which is a bastid to control as its like a shopping trolley in a Jones factory to control. I sealed the room, used the dust bags and used the window for entry / exit once I'd started.

You won't notice the imperfections until you stain the wood.

Ah yes - forgot to mention 'The Edge Sander' - those things would sand a pig in half in seconds.

Pop it down along a skirting board and getting dragged merrily across the floor - great fun!..

Oh, one more tip. If they do sale or return on sanding belts get at least double you think you'll use otherwise you'll only be going back to the hire shop for some more half way through the day!

Cheers

Danny B

Nervous now about the edge sander.

Is there a technique I should know for safe, efficient and sleek usage?

[possible sexist comment alert]

I'm going to be sanding with mrscamo16.

The idea was that one of us used the beast (I thought me) and the other utilised the edge sander.

Now I'm not saying that women are weaker than the guys, but do both require muchos strength? Is the plan doable?

[/possible sexist comment alert]

ear defenders - well remembered qwerty. my brain is still rattling around in my skull from not wearing mine for the 1st 10 mins.

Once you have finished the floor you will be so proud. you will expect everyone who walks on you work of art to mention how beautiful it is. if they do not do this, it is fine for you to remind them of how beautiful your floor is.

have some spare nails/ screws ready for any boards which are missing them. also have some spare floorboard and wood worm killer incase you find worm holes after you sand the surface off.

Edge sander is probably harder to control than the big fella. The belt sander going with the grain leaves a nicer finish.

The last sander I used had an integral handle the lifter the belt off the floor, so you didn't need to tip it up, much easier than the simple ones.

The way I used an edge sander was to bend over with my forearms resting on my thighs and control it that way. I did an awkwardly shaped hallway and could hardly walk for a week..

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Okay, I'll try your method crikey - but since my back is gammy and I'm in the latter stages of recovery from serious knee gash trauma, I'm not sure how long I'll be able to keep that up.

Who needs perfectly smooth floorboards anyway? Undulations and scrapes just add character, no?

If anything the edge sander is harder work than the belt sander. You could use them in different rooms but I wouldn't want to choreograph the pair in the same room.

As above they are loud and dusty so decent protection is worth it, not a crappy folding dust mask or suchlike. I've used both varnish and oil in the past and these days would definitely choose the oil again (fiddes hard wax oil is what I used last time)

@ thepurist

Cheers - we're thinking of Danish oil, topped with yacht varnish. Does that sound okay, or would the Danish oil give enough protection?

Ta

Oh, and top tip for varnish application; use a roller on the end of a pole.

Dunno about Danish oil on floors - I've only ever used it for exterior woodwork. Not sure how it'd stand up in a heavily trafficed area. I've gone off varnish as its harder to do patch repairs that don't stand out a mile (hallway in a place I let out) whereas the oil finish wears better in the first place then is easier to refinish.

Genuinely, just pay someone. It was about the same price for the guys to sand and oil our living room and dining room and they did it in all two days. And it was an excuse to go out and have some quality time. And remarkably little dust too.

WHEN YOU ASSEMBLE THE SANDER FASTEN THE HANDLE TO THE BODY i did not turned the power on pressed go and watched the sander fly across the room as i stood like a muppet holding the detatched handle.

filling gaps with the dust mixed with wood glue works a treat i resolved some really ugly holes and splits this way you do have to do this before the final sanding though .

Thanks to everyone for their advice with this. I actually followed some of it. 😉 Six hours of sanding, a little oil, a little varnish and the end effect is fantastic.

Those of you who mentioned the edge sander being a right skittish little blighter were absolutely spot on... on the plus side, my man rating has sky-rocketed.

So, ta muchly.

Well done!

Photos?

ir_bandito - since you asked... 😉

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Excellent 🙂 We did our a couple of months ago - feels fantastic when you look back at what you have made!!

Just for anyone else thinking about this - we finished ours with Osmo polx oil, hardwearing, but easier to repair than varnish (but we have two dogs and I know that repairs will be needed)

lovely job 🙂

(will it always be that tidy?)

Ta!

Mrscamo16 likes things tidy, so probably yes. 😀

Good work getting it finished and re-furnished in a weekend! Must have got a tad warm at times doing that...

Yeah, it was hard work, but we made it. 😉

All the furniture needed to be back in place yesterday, so we busted our balls getting it in.

Unfortunately, the floor needs at least another coat of varnish, so it'll have to be done piecemeal over the next week or so.

nice job. one thing to watch out for is the chair wheels/ feet dinting the nice finished wood. you can buy purpose made protecting 'cups' but we use metal lids from jars. we found this out the hard way and have rather ugly dints in the floor which need re sanding when I can be arsed,

nice job though.

You'll need to stop wearing stilettos in the house. They'll wreck your floor in no time