I am struggling for a chancellor
Rumour has it Rachel Reeves is favourite, which would be a terrible mistake. RLB is the most qualified but it won't happen for obvious reasons. It's needs someone who is a radical though, on both economic and climate change issues. Coronavirus has changed the game, and it needs someone willing to think about UBI, wealth taxes, MMP etc rather than a fiscal conservative like Reeves.
And Cooper and Benn, along with the rest of the refuseniks who refused to serve in a Corbyn shadow cabinet should be kept on the back benches where they belong.
Allin-Khan for health secutary Shirley?
I'm not endorsing my guesses. Cooper and Benn chair committees and Labour are short of experienced senior politicians.
Rachel Reeves is possible but I don't think he'd have Reeves and Cooper in 2 of the big three - so it would be Reeves as Chancellor and someone else for HO if that was the case - but Reeves wouldn't really be aligned with the Starmer's stated intent on economic policy. Maybe Reeves for transport of other mid ranking
And Cooper and Benn, along with the rest of the refuseniks who refused to serve in a Corbyn shadow cabinet should be kept on the back benches where they belong.
This. I admired Starmer for serving in Corbyn's shadow cabinet, regardless of their political differences.
RLB is the most qualified
In what way?
Allin-Khan for health secutary Shirley?
I really like but it would be difficult for a practicing medic to do health. Also a bit hard on Ashworth, unless he got DWP
So not close after all with RLB soundly beaten and Burgon 3rd for dep.
In what way?
She has the economic policies most suited to the times and a willingness to do things differently. Before coronavirus she was the architect of labour's best, most important and radical policy in the Green New Deal. She's also an advocate of the policies which are going to be required in the wake of coronavirus such as UBI, more public ownership and redistributive fiscal policies. She's a policy geek and a radical, which is exactly what's needed now as the status quo no longer exists.
So long as Abbot is kicked as far into the long grass as possible, the rest is gravy.
As RLB was green new deal I reckon that's why she will get Environment. Starmer will want a close ally as Shad Chancellor - it's too powerful a post.
Nandy and RLB might get jobs but if they do they'll be small ones. No chance of chancellor. I didn't watch all the hustings but some were quite needly, don't think they are all besties.
Nobody was calling for JC to go after the 2017 election. I thought he should go tbh, lose an election and that's your chance gone imo. Also hope YC doesn't get a job!
Agree with olddog.
Dazh, if the shadow cabinet is for ever more to only contain people who ‘got behind Corbyn’, then Keir is screwed from day one, and the party is staying where it currently is for the foreseeable.
if the shadow cabinet is for ever more to only contain people who ‘got behind Corbyn’, then Keir is screwed from day one
Because they did such a great job, didn't they? Political Pygmies, the lot of them. They'll hopefully be placed , to quote Malcolm Tucker: 'So *ing backbench, you're out by the *ing bins, where I put you"
The front bench isn't the main problem though. The main problem is the Marxist imbeciles that Grandad installed behind the scenes in important roles at the top of the Party machine. Hopefully they'll all be handed their P45's this afternoon. They were the ones calling the shots. Corbyns cabinet were just a bunch of nodding dogs
Then they need to kidnap Len McClusky and lock him in a cellar, then put an armed guard on Corbyn's allotment with orders to shoot him with a tranquiliser dart should he make any attempt to leave it
Hopefully they’ll all be handed their P45’s this afternoon.
Agreed. Although that will now be an expensive move due to the lovely new golden handcuff contracts they received, while those lower down all got shitty zero security ones.
Oh, they all knew the writing was on the wall alright. Which is why they handed themselves big fat salary increases with new gold-plated, ring-fenced permanent contracts that will have to be paid up to get rid of them all
All very 'socialist' of them.
It still absolutely staggers me how hard of thinking some people are that they still fail to see the true colours of the gang of self-serving charlatans around Corbyn.
No matter what the cost though, the lot of them need to be gone. They should have been out of the door months ago
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Starmer and Rayner have a pretty strong mandate across the board
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1246382272313524225?s=19
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1246378419140640768?s=19
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1246379557017595904?s=19
And what comment do we have on momentum already saying that they're looking forward to "holding the new leadership to account"?
Sounds like the opposition, to me...
Loving the way that the knives are out already for him by Unite with McClusky reminding him that he needs to continue being radical if he wants support.
Good support there for the new guy.
Agree, willard - I guess this is the kind of division that needs healing...
And what comment do we have on momentum already saying that they’re looking forward to “holding the new leadership to account”?
Sounds like the opposition, to me…
I said in the old thread that the new leader wouldn't be able to unite the party, let alone the country and judging by left wing Twitter today it's already proven true.
With the result he has got he doesn't need Lansman or McCluskey's support - like the dinosaurs they are they will become extinct as the party moves forwards whilst they stand still. My suggestions for the Shadow Cabinet is as follows:
Shadow Chancellor - Rachel Reeves (unlike RLB she has an economics and banking background)
Shadow Foreign Secretary - Hilary Benn
Shadow Home Secretary - Yvette Cooper
Shadow Health Secretary - Jonathan Ashworth
Shadow Environment Secretary - Rebecca Bailey-Long
Shadow Secetary for Business etc - Clive Lewis
Shadow Defence Secretary - Dan Jarvis
Shadow Education Secretary - Lisa Nandy
Shadow Secretary of State for Communities & Local Government - David Lammy
Shadow Scottish Secretary - Ian Murray
Shadow Secretary for Work & Pensions - Rosa Allin
There's a few more key roles, but I don't know the potential candidates well enough, although I would hope my local MP Thangham Debbonaire, who was previously a Whip, would get a role as I have been extremely impressed by her performance in Parliament.
Len McClusky really is the most useful of idiots for the Tory’s
You’d think that those results would give him pause to reflect and maybe, for everyone’s benefit, STFU for a while, but no...
not that gobshite
Philby - you and I have similar thoughts, but I can't see Cooper, Reeves and Benn getting the top three. My guess is that Thornberry stays with Foreign, Benn at International Trade, development and Brexit. Then either Reeves as Chancellor or Cooper as Home Sec.
I also see Nandy as communities.
If Benn and Cooper are in the cabinet then Starmer is less than I thought
neither of those two are fit for high office given their behaviour. Couper for her arrogance and corruptness and Benn for his petulant continual attacks on Corbyn.
Now is the time for a proper clearout. Not just the schoolboy leftists but also the right wing entryists and the brexiteers and those who made the most trouble against Corbyn that led to another tory government. Scottish Sec he has a real issue with Murray being a man who led the labour / tory pact that led to 10 tory MPS. Put it this way - Murray is a huge turn off to many scots voters. I'll be not voting labour if he gets any position. the man is contemptible
that led to another tory government
It was everyone but Corbyn, wasn’t it TJ.
As RLB was green new deal I reckon that’s why she will get Environment.
The Green New Deal is primarily an economic policy rather than an environmental one. If Starmer really wants to keep the left on side, he needs to give RLB a big job. Maybe not chancellor, but he could merge the environment, business and energy portfolios with RLB as shadow minister for a green new deal.
Dazh, if the shadow cabinet is for ever more to only contain people who ‘got behind Corbyn’,
Sigh. Where did I say that only Corbyn supporters should be in the shadow cabinet? If he's serious about unifying the party, then obviously he needs to appoint people from across the whole party. He also needs to look forward though and bring in younger faces rather than dinosaurs like Cooper and Benn.
Bringing in younger talent would have been a lot easier last November before a load them lost their seats, while the 70’s retro dinosaurs sat complacently in their own safe-as-houses seats like Islington 🙄
And Cooper and Benn, along with the rest of the refuseniks who refused to serve in a Corbyn shadow cabinet should be kept on the back benches where they belong.
Dazh, if the shadow cabinet is for ever more to only contain people who ‘got behind Corbyn’, then Keir is screwed from day one, and the party is staying where it currently is for the foreseeable.
Sigh. Where did I say that only Corbyn supporters should be in the shadow cabinet?
And Cooper and Benn, along with the rest of the refuseniks who refused to serve in a Corbyn shadow cabinet should be kept on the back benches where they belong.
Loop.
Len McClusky really is the most useful of idiots for the Tory’s
You'd know!
Loop.
It really isn't. You didn't need to be a Corbyn supporter to serve in the shadow cabinet. See: Starmer.
I said nothing about ‘supporters’, I said ‘got behind’, which is what you were doing if you served in his cabinet, clearly. Dazh was saying people who refused to serve in Corbyn’s cabinet shouldn’t be allowed to serve in Starmer’s cabinet.
Kelvin you really do read what you want to read don't you? There are plenty of people who served in Corbyn's shadow cabinet who weren't supporters of him (like Starmer). There are also plenty of MPs who weren't supporters who didn't exclude themselves from serving in the shadow cabinet. There were a number of MPs who threw their dummies out the pram because the membership rejected them and then actively refused because it would have meant toeing the line. It's this latter group that I'm talking about, and that includes Benn and Cooper. Also Ed Miliband, Margaret Beckett etc. Time to move on.
which is what you were doing if you served in his cabinet
So everyone who served under Corbyn, or by extension supported anything he did is not fit to be in the shadow cabinet now? I think your McCarthyite witchunt is not the sort of unity Starmer is talking about.
I can read. Try again.
and those who made the most trouble against Corbyn that led to another tory government.
That is an impressive piece of revisionist history
I’ll be super clear.
To exclude MPs from a Starmer cabinet because they refused to join, or chose to leave, a Corbyn cabinet, would be counter to moving the party forward and broadening its appeal. Which is what everyone who wants a Labour government should be aiming for now. If it is only people who got behind Corbyn, by serving in his cabinet, who are to have a key role in the PLP now, then we may as well still have Corbyn as leader.
The new cabinet needs to include people who shone in Corbyn’s front bench team (yes, some did), but also draw from people who stayed well clear of it, and people who left it, and newer MPs who weren’t even in the running to be in it.
So should Corbynite intellectual heavyweight Richard Burgon be chancellor or Home Secretary?
What Kelvin said!
Looks like we'll find out tomorrow
heavyweight Richard Burgon
Having the courage to boot him to the back benches, or not, will set the tone for the new cabinet more than anything.
I’m hoping RLB get’s a big role, but not as ‘successor’ to McDonnell, that would send the wrong message. Environment seems a perfect fit, and I hope could be made to be a role as important, especially in campaign terms, as any other… if not more so. She proved herself in the leadership campaign, I felt.
The more the spotlight lands on Burgon, the more incompetent and vacuous he appears.
The new cabinet needs to include people who shone in Corbyn’s front bench team (yes, some did), but also draw from people who stayed well clear of it, and people who left it, and newer MPs who weren’t even in the running to be in it.
It should definitely include people who threw their toys out of the pram the minute they didn't get their own way.
You need to move on, and hope the new team can appeal to the country, not just you.
Move on? Some chance! The PFJ will happily continue to pursue the Corbynite agenda until they’re trailing the Lib Dems, polling single figures
Ideological purity trumps everything.
Whether anyone but them will vote for it is but a minor consideration
I just want to know if we'll be allowed to stop the endless BS anti-Semitism witch hunt now?
Unless Starmer has recently had his photo taken grinning and shaking hands with any leaders of Hamas or Hezbolah
Kelvin. On the back of the tory / labour non aggression pact in Scotland the tories gained IIRC 10 seats - without those 10 seats May would have been out of office. Its a simple fact. Murray was the main architect of it.
If he is anywhere near the front benches there is no hope of any labour resurgence in Scotland. That man wanted people to vote tory! that is no behaviour for a labour MP.
he is an absolute cockwomble and any labour MP that promotes voting tory because he is so bitter at the success of another leftish party should be thrown out of the party in my book
there were disgusting scenes of Labour candidates and officials cheering tory wins
I do not want to see Long Bailey anywhere near the front benches either. A complete diddy. totally rejected by the party.
This of course shows that all the nonsense about momentum is just that. the diddy left do not have control of the party. If they did Long Bailey would be leader.
Instead the party has comprehensivly rejected the puerile point scoring politics of the peoples liberation front of judea and chosen a leftish mainstream candidate overwhelmingly. that gives Starmer real power. Now is the time to get rid of the idiots from both right and left.
Long Baily may grow up in time - but for all I think Binners views are overblown - on Long Bailey he is 100% right
