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Your choices here were clarify or snark - I think you made the wrong choice.
Don’t add UK private spending in there
It isn't, it's a mix of more spending and a contracted overall GDP
Your choices here were clarify or snark – I think you made the wrong choice.
Thanks for your opinion. Thank you for making the effort to conceptualise and post it. Your contribution has been noted.
How would you like to do it?
How about by taxing big businesses effectively? IE, actually applying the same existing laws to them that apply to the rest of us? That would be a start….
Thats what you said. It's wrong (sorry). I totally agree big business should pay more tax, but that's not a prerequisite for paying for hospitals. It's actually the other way round. Paying for hospitals is a prerequisite to taxing businesses. Like I said, it's a subtle difference, but very important.
Thats what you said. It’s wrong (sorry)
Ok then you believe that if it makes you happy.
Thanks for your opinion. Thank you for making the effort to conceptualise and post it. Your contribution has been noted.
You're most welcome, always glad to help.
From your link Nickc it appears it is counting private
Total current healthcare expenditure in the UK in 2020 was £257.6 billion, equating to £3,840 per person.
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Government-financed healthcare expenditure was £213.4 billion in 2020, growing by 14.9% in real terms and making up around 83% of total healthcare spending
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Those numbers are clearly carefully selected.
Its also the first pandemic year. Claiming a 15% increase in govvernment healthcare funding. I assume that is including all the money wastes on test and trace. there is no way on earth there was a 15% increase in money actually spent on healthcare. No government minister tried to claim an increase of that amount
You’re most welcome, always glad to help.
You can't beat the ol' banter on the political threads.
Its also the first pandemic year. Claiming a 15% increase in govvernment healthcare funding.
Quite possibly also includes the donation to the private hospital chains in case they were needed but then didnt really use them.
Meant they came out of the pandemic in rather good shape.
A dentist mate was telling me this morning that the unit rates the government pays for NHS treatment hasn't increased since 2006 and he has a queue of 200 wanting to go on his NHS list. He said demand is falling off and my (private) dentist has been emailing if anyone wants to come in for hygiene work. This is privatisation by stealth and people being unable to afford treatment or get NHS work done. The FT reported on 4.11 that access to healthcare in the UK is the worst in Europe.
We really are being done over by a government which sees the many as the enemy. We can afford £37bn to Serco and £billions of arms but not the health service? I'm delighted strikes are being planned but there won't be a squeak of support out of Starmer or the pet shop boy.
Incidentally, the Virgin Healthcare £70 a bottle came from my son's research into making 'efficiencies' in his hospital and ofcourse it's the private bits which are the least efficient and most costly. Plus the claim that doctors don't know what's going on in hospitals coming from someone who struggles with basic SPAG is both insulting and laughable.
or the pet shop boy
Is this some "fun" reference to an MPs sexuality? Is it relevant? Dentistry is in a mess around here (West Yorkshire), so was nodding along in agreement with the rest of your post, but that bit seemed unnecessary.
Er, no, he attacked a pet shop for fun.
Have you been getting lost on the wrong bits of the internet?
Nah, he didn't deny it but said charges were dropped because of a lack of evidence. This sort of nonsense goes on all the time in Oxford and Cambridge. How do you think ther Bullingdon club never got prosecuted for anything? I witnessed a brutal act in the Pickerel opposite Magdalene college in the name of 'Jolly Japes' and asked the manager why he did nothing to stop it. The answer came, 'the college owns the pub.'
It’s the made up details that give extra credence to the made up nonsense.
Then you've nothing to worry about. Good night.
Well if the Shadow Health Secretary feels able to have a bit of a laugh and "joke" about people having dementia, then I'm sure that he can handle a bit of banter concerning his rumoured pet shop related exploits.
Yey! We're back to Jeremy Corbyn! It's been a while. Yeah, a dick thing to say off hand in the commons. He did apologise though. Now, what other made up nonsense can we smear Streeting with? Which bit of the internet is best for picking up this kind of fun stuff? Perhaps some links in future Bill please?
He did apologise though.
Ah, I see, so that makes a bit of banter from the Shadow Health Secretary with regards to people having dementia not that serious then
Perhaps you feel that Bill should also apologise for his banter concerning the pet shop boy? Everything would be okay then.
Btw why mention Jeremy Corbyn - is he also living rent-free inside your head?
not that serious then
I never said that.
Perhaps you feel that Bill should also apologise for his banter concerning the pet shop boy?
I thought you'd be one of the people wanting facts, sources etc.
why mention Jeremy Corbyn
Oh, FFS.
Now, what other made up nonsense can we smear Streeting with?
Erm, he actually said Corbyn is senile. It’s recorded. It’s not made up. You can ignore facts to suit your own narrative, but then you’re just ignorant of facts.
Streeting should be sacked for such comments. End of.
Erm, he actually said Corbyn is senile.
Yes, he said that. I posted a link to a source confirming it and the context around it. It's a fact. And a dick thing to say, even off hand. By "nonsense" I was referring to the pet shop nonsense. And there we go... a load of made up nonsense takes over the thread... that's the thing with this stuff, call it out and you just amplify it and it just gets stronger. I should have ignored it.
Can you confirm it’s made up?
Sounds like the kind of thing Streeting would do tbh. After all, he thinks it’s ok to physically abuse children.
Can you confirm it’s made up?
I don't even know the source of it.
So you can’t then? Ok.
So you can’t then? Ok.
I don't think it's up to kelvin to prove a negative.
He has to prove his own statements are correct though.
I read Wes Streeting kicked a dog in the face...
I read Wes Streeting kicked a dog in the face…
I read "configuration" is an alias for a former, banned member of STW.
Streeting admitted it and apologised. Starmer also made reference to it
Streeting is an example of all that is wrong with todays labour party. right wing, nasty.
Yeah, somebody else suggested that. I read it as shorthand for 'I don't like your views so I want you booted off this forum'. Pathetic. Get a life.
No need to 'smear' when his own words reveal his true sympathies.
Streeting admitted it and apologised. Starmer also made reference to it
Thanks TJ... any links to Streeting and Starmer referring to this pet shop stuff?
kelvin - I meant the senile slur.
"I found this screenshot on a messageboard" - great.
There's a handy twitter resource that automatically keeps track of all UK MPs and tweets that they post and then delete. I'll see if I can remember how to search it see if that image is a capture of a real tweet.
[ EDIT: twitter search of @deletedbyMPs ]
I meant the senile slur.
We're at cross purposes then. I posted a link to the BBC story, I know that he made that slur in parliament, and I said it was a dick move.
“I found this screenshot on a messageboard” – great.
So what? True or not, Labour love a good smear, don't they?
Bearing in mind the level of intense insults directed at politicians on STW I'm lovin the bizarre reaction that Bill's causal 'pet shop boy' remark has managed to achieve 😂
Bearing in mind the level of intense insults directed at politicians on STW I’m lovin the bizarre reaction that Bill’s causal ‘pet shop boy’ remark has managed to achieve
Far more outrage about that, then the hateful and incredibly offensive slur made towards a member of parliament, in the HoC no less, that Kelvin dismissed merely as a 'dick move'...
Streeting absolutely should not have said what he said in parliament when Corbyn was making his intervention. No excusing it. No dismissing it. No trying to ignore it.
There is still truth and non-truth though, even in 2022. Don't help spread nonsense around the internet. If there's any half-reasonable source as regards the pet shop boy nonsense, then post it and lets scrutinise it (is it really just a coincidence that The Pet Shop Boys have a gay front man, and Streeting is a gay man, or is that part of the "fun" in this made up story?).
Yeah, somebody else suggested that. I read it as shorthand for ‘I don’t like your views so I want you booted off this forum’. Pathetic. Get a life.
Agreed - pretending that you're not a former, banned member is pretty pathetic.
Don’t help spread nonsense around the internet.
No; let's just concentrate on what PetShopBoy said, and we can forget the other stuff. Let's concentrate on facts, then.
You seem to be a supporter. Do you not think his comments deserve total condemnation, and further action by the Labour leader? Streeting is, after all, shadow health secretary, and dementia care would fall under his remit. If a 39 year old man makes such a hateful, offensive statement, do you think he should be allowed to continue in such a role? What about those constituents of his, who suffer/live with dementia etc every single day? Do you not think they deserve better? Should our representatives in parliament not be held to the highest standards?
Ransos; Im glad I've brought meaning to your day. Enjoy the rest of it.
fwiw "pet shop boy" has levels of meaning which precede the band. Either way, it's not what the sobriquet says about Streeting, it's what it says about anyone using it in derogatory fashion that's the issue: it makes you look bad for calling attention to his being gay.
Also: should Corbyn be corrected for saying that dementia is a mental health condition? It's not. Also "senile" is not any kind of technical term for dementia, it's demotic language these days and not far from saying "old fool". Which for sure would warrant an apology but no more than that. As to whether Corbyn is suffering age related mild cognitive impairment? Why wouldn't he be? Christ knows I feel like I am half the time. Okay I'm on thinner ice with this second para but will leave it up...
Ransos; Im glad I’ve brought meaning to your day. Enjoy the rest of it.
If it helps you to believe that, I'm glad to have been of service.
I didn't know Streeting was gay until this thread. Its not really of that much interest to me which people like doing what to whom.
I'm far more interested in the fact he is a right wing plonker in the wrong party